“I said to the players at half time that we were shaming the club at the moment and they had to go out and show some pride in the shirt”, the words of Neil Lennon to the BBC after the game on Saturday.
Pride in the shirt is a requirement any manager should ask of his team, and it is notable that the subsequent goal-scorers both have strong connections to the club, but it probably had little to do with the second half performance from Anthony Stokes, Charlie Mulgrew and our the impressive James Forrest. Calls to pride are limited in what they can achieve, genuine talent is far more effective.
At the AGM on Friday and again in his post-match comments on Saturday, Neil alluded to the fragility of his own position. Had the game finished 3-0 to Kilmarnock I think he would have walked away. This would have been a great pity.
Neil is learning on the job. He was not gifted the benefits of experience without actually having to work through difficult times as a manager. Before his thoughts turn to his own position, before our season is too far gone to save, he should recruit an experienced assistant. Someone who knows the challenges of working with a disparate group of players, who can deal with the challenges of a demanding board and supporter base.
The need for a mentor was evident 18 months ago and is screamingly so now. For the sake of Celtic, do the necessary.
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bobbycfc says:
17 October, 2011 at 14:50
So what are Lennon’s credentials that you think he is a good Celtic manager?
Scottish Cup win, unlucky in League (Hamilton game seems to spring to mind). Kayal, Izzagurre, Hooper, Wanyama and Forrest. But he is a great manager as he made peepil like you smell fear, broke the SFA and is going to be in charge when the huns are no more.
For anyone minded like the poster earlier (lionroars?) wondering about Video Review Panel action against elbows, or indeed against the Killie player who did for Hooper I emailed DB @ the SFA stating “I am curious to know if either of the following challenges have been / are to be reviewed by the above panel? …”
I also asked “Do the SFA publish a list of incidents considered by the above panel on a weekly basis and if so could you provide a link? A link to any guidance on how incidents are decided upon (e.g. is supporter feedback (such as this email) considered, is it based on media reports or are all games reviewed in full?) would also be gratefully received.”
The reply:
“No complaints with requisite evidence have been forwarded. D”
Transparency at it’s best :/
QB
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Paul67,
I have to agree with some other posters on here. The “mentor” argument seems to just be a nice way of saying our manager isn’t up to the job he’s been hired to do. If the mentor doesn’t have final say on team selection and tactics, then Neil Lennon can just ignore the advice. If the mentor has final say on the team and tactics then he’s effectively the new manager and Neil Lennon has been relieved of his duties.
I’m of the opinion that we need a new manager. Let’s be honest with ourselves, if the results and performances we’ve had this season had happened under Brady, Barnes or Mowbray then everyone would agree it was time for a change. The Board need to have the balls to admit they’ve made (yet another) bad choice and need to resolve it openly and honestly, by appointing a new manager, not by a back door “mentor” route.
McNair is the greatest says:
17 October, 2011 at 15:00
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Please do not lower yourself by attempting to justify your comments to this halfwit. He is clearly a Hun trying to get a rise out of us.
HH
Giggs
Most CQN’rs are still Steinagers, or at least behave that way.
McNair is the greatest.
Huns no more.
Could I please have a wee sniff of what you are on.
“McFadden’s Daa he hates the H***”
*would never have caught on anyway*
Bobbycfc
Big jock won a few cups and league with celts as player and captain.
generally Celtic fans don’t refer to our manager as Lennon!
try harder..
McNair is the greatest says:
17 October, 2011 at 15:00
bobbycfc says:
17 October, 2011 at 14:50
So what are Lennon’s credentials that you think he is a good Celtic manager?
Scottish Cup win, unlucky in League (Hamilton game seems to spring to mind). Kayal, Izzagurre, Hooper, Wanyama and Forrest. But he is a great manager as he made peepil like you smell fear, broke the SFA and is going to be in charge when the huns are no more.
You’re right – I smell fear, fear that Rangers are going to do 4 in a row. Fear that at the end of this season we are going to be searching for another manager with a team full of disgruntled and couldn’t care players and yet another team building process begins.
I accept the above signings are good, I also accept that some have been poor but you will get that with any manager. What I don’t see enough is the managing, the motivation, the tactical awareness that makes up a good manager.
Regarding the Huns no more, there will always be a Rangers, whether in its current incarnation or in some other guise – if you are happy to watch a team losing the league year after year in the hope that our rivals go under, then you really need to wake up and smell the coffee.
Kilmarnock FC are pleased to announce the retrieval of their ball, previously lost at Stokesy’s
miss.
Buzzzzzzzzzzz
bjmac-nice acronym.
quonno says:
17 October, 2011 at 15:05
McNair is the greatest.
Huns no more.
Could I please have a wee sniff of what you are on.
LIQUIDATION – no more Huns as their history dies with them
Neil Lennon proved last season that he had what it takes to be the Celtic manager, winning the cup, bettering Smith over 7 derby matches, and picking up enough points to win us the league in any season since we lost the league on black sunday. He turned average players into better players.
Beram Kayal proved last season that he had what it takes to be the new Celtic captain. He is a young man, far from his home and family, who has had a number of injuries. But when he is fit, and in form, he is a helluva player, ditto Ki, Hooper and Commons.
Last season we sang their praises, yet now we are dusting down the farewell speeches for when they depart the club.
Neil watched a number of players last season, and seemed to have identified areas for strengthening, is it his fault that they haven’t been ? He can only work with the players at his disposal, if they are not good enough, ultimately he will not be good enough, and we will change our manager again, and buy and sell more players.
It is obvious that all is not well at the club, but it appears that those who have performed for us in the past are given short shrift when things go wrong, yet those who have failed again, and again, are allowed to continue making their mistakes.
Anyone who suggest Jim Jeffries should be Lennies mentor has got to be a hun. What Celtic supporter in his right mind would want that bitter wee fud anywhere near our club ? Never mind telling Lenny what to do.
Apart from the fact he’s a bitter wee nyaff who didn’t even speak out against the attack on our manager when he was standing feet away from him, he’s also a crap over rated dud of a manager who is only lauded in the Scottish media because he’s one of the brotherhood.
Henriks Sombrero – Apart from the fact he’s a bitter wee nyaff who didn’t even speak out against the attack on our manager when he was standing feet away from him, he’s also a crap over rated dud of a manager who is only lauded in the Scottish media because he’s one of the brotherhood.
And he eats jobbies. (thumbsup)
:o)
it could be worse
It’s me that needs a bl**dy mentor!
whats the difference between a good jobby and a good shag
you dont have to cuddle a jobby for half an hour when you’ve finished
belfast bhoy 14.56……….just remembered dr jo signed the lubo guy……..must be this big jock thing im engrosssed in
Paul67
An experienced assistant for Lenny..no problem as the best managers appoint them as and when required. He should do that now.
The mentoring biz is something that happens off-site/stage. Only 3 people need know: mentor, Lenny and the guy paying the bill.
HH
M
wdh
I knew Jock played for B vics, knew he was a mason, didn’t know his brother played for them as well, you do learn something on cqn every day, thanks.
stephenpollock says:
17 October, 2011 at 07:49
petec says:
17 October, 2011 at 06:51
stephenpollock
Sorry mate I can’t agree. Why do we owe Neil? I just dont get this at all.
I just don’t buy into this religion stuff as reason to support Neil’s tenure as manager. He has made a hefty sum of CFC while we the fans have spent a hefty – for what? I do not wish to sacrifice the league this year for some myth of a cause which is frankly intangible to me.
Perspective is lost over this NL stuff. If you want to see real sacrifice check out the guys in Libya or Syria who have are fighting for free in the hope of freedom for their country – many have lost their lifes. They are owed a debt. NL has done nothing by comparison. What happened last season was unsavoury for sure but in the perspective of the world conflicts it is nano.
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This a fecking disgraceful post,hope you or your family never have to live in fear.
According to the usual unreliable sources, the Holy Goalie is a “West Brom target”.
He has kept 3 clean sheets in 6 games for Fiorentina this season, apparently. He’s available on a Bosman at the end of the season (only signed a 2-year deal).
lennon’s passion,
agreed 100% the words of the hun professed as reasoned argument on a Celtic forum.
Lionsroar 67
Great post, Dont think myself that Neil needs a minder, however he does need more CELTIC men in the middle of the park Johnie Doyle type who wouldnt hide,could do a lot worse than stick Mark Wilson at centre back, ( I think he played there against Hearts ) the defence is to exposed due to poor positioning of midfielders no leader in there when lesser opponents are in there face, could do a lot worse than bring back Darren O Dea in Jan, and see Stephen Pearson is being released in Jan by Derby he could do a Robson. as not Neil must know by now who wants to play for him and CELTIC, Kayal was an absolute disgrace at Killie and if he is working his ticket show him the door, not the same player as last season, hope Neil turns it round. YNWA
As we go through a few wee trials and tribulations. en route to the league flag this term, it is good to know there will never be more than 5 stars on the hun strip!
Just a wee moment for all the hovering huns to figure it out..
BOBBYCFC
Good try,but it seems you may have to do a little research before you come on here again to sow discord.
I think you should change your moniker as well,that may catch some of us off-guard.
But be warned-AWE NAW will be back soon,and will clock the IP address.
And then yer fu’d…..
(with apologies to BJMAC for hijacking his excellent gag)
Paul67
If Neil needs a mentor .
Why not just sack Neil and get the mentor to do the Job?
TT
Perhaps the way forward is for Neil to announce that HE is bringing in a new defensive coach or something like that. It saves face, is a logical addition, and doesn’t undermine him.
Now to find the right guy!
Tambhoy57 says @15;29
…….could do a lot worse than stick Mark Wilson at centre back…..
I don’t think the tea lady is registered to play.
http://www.holyrood.com/articles/2011/10/17/man-jailed-for-sectarian-internet-posts/
lionroars67 says:
17 October, 2011 at 14:52
Was also at the grave on Saturday,100% correct with your post agree with every word.There is a web-site that will be up and running on Wednesday for Celtic fans to go on and share memories about Johnny Doyle.
Tambhoy57 says:
17 October, 2011 at 15:29
Lionsroar 67
Sorry mate not my words, it was a paste job from CSA website, credit ALL due to Joe O’Rourke
Just thought the post would add to the debate
saltires en sevilla says:
17 October, 2011 at 15:25
Correct. It’s fairly clear that we have no chance of the 2011-12 title unless something changes. Without a trace of sentiment I’d say Neil Lennon must stay. He’s a smart bhoy and will only get better. But right now he and his backroom staff share a lack of experience – and it shows. He needs an assistant. I don’t believe he has one.
Tambhoy57
Did you see Wilson’s attempt at defending Hearts second goal.
It was criminal.
He is injured too often to be relied upon,and Too Wee to play against a big CF.
He is a very nice man,but not good enough for Celtic.
In fact i am struggling to think who is,within our whole football set up.
It is a shambles.
This current business model is failing us miserably.
It needs to change.
TT
Can anyone tell me what it would cost to buy out Dermot Desmond’s shares at today’s share price?
TT