I’m a bit confused at the chat this morning of reintroducing the sale of alcohol at football games. Alcohol is available for sale at games at Celtic Park, you just need to have a ticket for an expensive enough seat. If you’re in the cheap seats, you get to queue to pay for some cola. Is people’s ability to pay an indication of their likelihood to behave in a dangerous or criminal way with some alcohol in their blood?
This implication has always troubled me.
Alcohol, wherever it is sold, inevitably leads to over-indulgence and potentially dangerous behaviour, and requires strong stewarding, whether that is at a night club, or in the No. 7 restaurant. Scotland’s licenced premises have changed beyond recognition in recent decades. They are increasingly well-lit, family friendly and safe places to be. They now sell better beer too, but our nation’s problem with alcohol remains acute.
Society needs to be educated on how to use alcohol responsibly; good venues are part of the solution.
While we are on the subject of facilities at Celtic Park……. I go months without buying food or drink in the North Stand, Upper, for good reason. Last week (pestered by one of the boys), I left for the kiosk with 40 minutes on the clock, didn’t get served until the second half started, only to be told there were no hotdogs or pies left.
You know me, I’m not one to get angry at Celtic, but the sheer frustration pushed me over the top, and I didn’t have a drink! If you’re charging circa £4 for something that’s costing less than £1, make sure stock is sufficient. Have two people serving each side of the kiosk, not two on one side, with a single person making hardly a dent on the queue at the other.
Needed to get that off my chest.
The ‘news’ this morning that Rangers International are trying to sack commercial director, Imran Ahmad, is more curious for being news than in itself. Is it even possible for this news to be anything other than a leak from a director against another director? These newspaper people don’t do irony, they just take careful notes and go write up their story.
This whole episode is beginning to feel a bit like sitting out the back when the neighbours don’t realise their bedroom window is open. You can hear the noises and you looked up and caught a glance at something horrific looking. It’s something you’ll laugh about later with your friends but these people really need to acquire some dignity.
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Burghbhoy
Meant the Tally Ho! Bloody typo’s
I stay in Edinburgh these days. My old bus picks up at Deer Park too. I usually get a lift there and jump on it. Keep that in mind though.
Cheers
LB
Always wondered why the Club have never made use of vending machines to ease queueing and supplement income.
Seen them in stadiums (USA) and here in low-cost hotels – selling; snacks, sandwiches, sweets, juice/ drinks (in cartons), even fruit.
Can’t be too difficult to site within concourse areas, stock-up during first half, typical stock would have a lengthy shelf-life (sell-by date) bar fresh food.
A healthy alternative to the old pie & bovril. :-)
Livi bhoy
The Tally is still going strong mate, but the bevvy much cheaper in St Phils hall
silver city,
the main reason for so many drunken tims in bremen was the close proximity of the becks brewery which was less than a 100 yards from the ground, 20 marks and as much becks you could drink in a tour lasting well overr an hour, unfortunately for me i hate the stuff, seem to remember a bit of bother with brit red caps aswell that night.
Celtic First @ 15.30,
Don’t know: at times, I can’t even get right the name of the poster on whom I’m commenting. Please expand – tho’ you’re not going to change my opinion with mere facts.
traditionalist88,
Naturally, I was in Seville. (Was in Milan before that.) I know guys looked out for one another. I grew up in the Jungle when it was the old structure. I know all about guys getting blootered before games. There are people in our support who can’t or can’t be bothered how they behave when they get stocious. They have no right to ruin things for everybody else. Losing their ST is the least that should happen to them.
Celtic Soul Brother- Supporting Kano 1000 @16:47 on It was Pat G from Glenboig, 76/77.
The wee shop in Dundas St.
Then it was Dumbarton Rd 79/81 to where the Pat Q from the big shop in Dundas St. had transferred.
HH
Silver City
Wasn’t on the trip to Bremen but was nuggets in Hamburg
And Stuttgart
Ten men-send that to PL….
Didn’t see this mentioned re the alcohol issue, but having seen it in action elsewhere, eg Etihad, for me the best option would be beer tents on the newly developped surrounds, along with other improved facilities – meeting points, seating, catering (Celtic Triangle) – all these facilities available before and after the game, with screens showing the post match highlights and interviews.
Obviously Man C have had a lot of financial assistance, but I’d rather see us invest this years CL profits on developping these kind of facilities rather than throw millions away on the odd player.
A personal concern however, would be the detrimental effect on the Gallowgate pubs – but am sure many of us make our contributions to these places post-match anyway!
I wouldn’t be surprised if the concept was being put on the back-burner due to concerns about the licencing, as apparently we’re a menace to society as it is without the alcohol >:(
Pick TV @ 18.00 – Psychic Sally’s Big Fat Operation
Sayin’ nothin’
CSB I had to work that day.
By 80/81 they had come round to the enlightened view of allowing women to be assistant managers thus giving the men half days
Was there ever a man or boy worked for them who was not a Tim?
When I was in on the Wednesday afternoon of a game I can remember the non-stop chatter on the phone between the managers of all the branches. Like wee boys at Christmas. The shops shut sharp on those occasions.
“Sorry Mrs. Yer watch must be wrang” as the door closed at 5:26.
10 men- the GB did a similar thing last season- in the entrance to KFC- I still have a clip somewhere
Ten Men Won The League
so far today we’ve had discussions about CQN’ers with pleurisy, pulled muscles & knee transplants. Then you come on and show us Raves at Feyenoord. You trying to wipe out us old codgers all together. Ma knees are knackered watching the video.
HH
Ross County v DU live on BBC Alba tonight
Talking of memories- any of you chaps remember Jim Brogan scoring a late winner against the hun in Jan. 1972- with his shoulder? Happy days!
BRB in his cups.
Early pictures of the pie stall at block 444 next season.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NgZoGJLD6IA&feature=youtu.be
A delegation of First Division clubs
have held talks with representatives
from the Scottish Premier League
board to try and push through league
reconstruction for next season.
STV understands a working party of
three sides, consisting of Hamilton’s
Les Gray, Eric Drysdale of Raith
Rovers and Falkirk’s Martin Ritchie,
met with their top flight counterparts
on Thursday.
The group, which was formed
following a meeting of First Division
clubs on Monday, is working on
behalf of the 10 second tier teams
plus Dundee and Queen of the South.
It is understood the second tier sides
approached the SPL with a view to
resurrecting league reconstruction
talks for implementation next season.
Hamilton chairman Gray told STV:
“After the meeting on Monday
evening, where the SFL board was
represented, it was decided First
Division clubs would set up a
working party with a view to setting
up meetings with the governing
bodies, namely the SPL and Scottish
FA.
“A meeting with a delegation from the
SPL board took place on Thursday
morning.
“We then had a chat with Campbell
Ogilvie [Scottish FA president] to
keep him informed of the situation.
“David Longmuir [SFL chief executive]
has been kept in the loop over these
meetings and will continue to be kept
informed.
“The primary function was to keep the
SPL and Scottish FA in the loop with
what happened on Monday and to
find out if there is still a willingness
to push through league
reconstruction for next season.
“Most importantly, we want to try and
achieve a solution for all 42 clubs.”
SPL clubs recently voted down a
proposal for a 12-12-18 structure,
including a proposed new financial
distribution model which would have
seen First Division teams each
receive between £319,000 and
£63,000 more per season than they
do at present.
The SPL and SFL were unavailable for
comment when contacted by STV on
Friday. The Scottish FA stated neither
Ogilvie nor any representative from
the governing body had taken part in
any formal league reconstruction
meeting.
SFL chief Longmuir presented an
alternative plan to First Division
clubs at Monday’s meeting which
included a staged introduction of
reform. He had previously rejected an
offer from the Scottish FA to mediate
in talks.
Included in the plans was a play-off
between the 11th placed side in next
season’s SPL and the clubs finishing
second, third and fourth in the First
Division.
A new financial distribution model,
rulebook and governance structure
would also be formulated with a view
to introduction for the 2014/15
campaign.
STV understands those plans, which
would also require the approval of
SPL clubs, were not well received by
the majority of First Division sides.
Coincidentally a separate meeting of
the SPL’s reconstruction working
group also met on Thursday, with
Dundee chief executive Scot Gardiner
saying he was hopeful of change
being forced through.
“There was another meeting yesterday
at Hampden,” he told STV. “It was
very constructive.
“There’s still an appetite and still a
will to do something. It’s now time…
can we get it over the line?
“I wouldn’t have wasted my day
yesterday at Hampden if I didn’t think
we could do something.
“I’ve spoken today to chairmen, three
different chairmen from two different
leagues, in relation to trying to get it
over the line.
“There’s hard work being put in and
time will tell, but we don’t have much
of it.
“We are discussing something that
would be put to all 42 clubs. There’s
no proposal involving breakaways or
anything like that.”
Ers ra ‘fishul programme
hmmmm
Feyenoord fans don’t wear replica jerseys to their games?
Pogmathonyahun aka Laird of the Smiles does that programme say a one o’clock kick-off?
Ntassoolla
17:12 on
26 April, 2013
Celtic Soul Brother- Supporting Kano 1000 @16:47 on It was Pat G from Glenboig, 76/77.
Yes definitely the same guy-also new Pat Q reasonably well.
Our paths must have crossed at some point-I was in Mitchell Street 76, Argyle St. 77/78 and also the Small Dundas Street 78/79.
From memory the owners were Jewish so wouldn’t have a problem taking Tims on!Then I guess it snowballed from there-my brother also worked there for a while and most others also had family members working.
Pat G told a great story from the 73 cup final when we lost to the Zombies-he had to leave early to get back to close the store when he was told in no uncertain terms by a guy with a sword to get back and cheer on the lads!Might have been a bit of poetic license to that story!
Yes I thought that as well, on closer inspection it does. I was at the game but can’t remember what time it kicked off :-(( Needs further investigation.
I’m all for booze, the more the merrier, but not at Celtic Park during a game, surely we all know how that’ll turn out sooner or later – a dead cert. We may not have as many empty heads within our support as the evil mob, but never the less we have do have some – and that’s all it would take to start a rammy – enter stage left the polis closely followed by the MSM – and we know how they’ll paint.
Keep the booze in the pubs – the best place for it.
…and we know how they’ll paint it.
Early kick off might have been for 3 day week or power cuts? Young wans google that :)
bigrailroadblues
17:26 on
26 April, 2013
Talking of memories- any of you chaps remember Jim Brogan scoring a late winner against the hun in Jan. 1972- with his shoulder? Happy days!
BRB in his cups.
Remember it as if it was yesterday-wasn’t at the game but listened on Radio Scotland-think they equalised with about 10 minutes to go and the Zombies were giving it large.Went mental when we scored-why was Brogan up there?Don’t think it was even from a corner but could be wrong.
Is this anybody we know?
Anecdote
Evening Times 28 April 1969
After being fined £5 at Glasgow Marine Court today Celtic fan Michael McGhee asked the magistrate – ‘Can I have my horn back ?’
The horn was confiscated by police when McGhee was arrested after the cup final on Saturday. McGhee, 22, of 39 Closeburn Street Possil admitted a breach of the peace in Keppochill Road.
Mr Kevin Breslin, the Fiscal, said McGhee was shouting ‘Celtic are the F*****g champions’ and ‘we are the people’.
He was making the noise from a horn, the type found on motor vehicles.
Baillie Thomas McLaren asked McGhee,’ Do you want it for next year ?’
He then told the court officer ‘Give him his horn back. Judging by Saturday’s result it looks as if he will be playing it for some time to come’.
‘we are the people’??????????!!!!!!!!!!
CSB Pat G was Celtic daft and hated the huns.
He loved his chocolate biscuits, as anyone could tell.
I didn’t understand in those days quite how different was the experience of geographically isolated groups of Tims outside Glasgow in the West of Scotland.
Off for the messages now.
HH
bigrailroadblues
Certainly remember bouncing round the radio at that last minute winner.
Also remember the next days papers and their manager a mr w Waddell claiming they were jinxed playing the celtic!!!! Such happy days & a real generation of domination!
I’d like to have a pint or two at CP. No more than that, I think it’s worth trying out.
be interesting to see the div 1 clubs pushing for this SPL 2 thing and hoping Sevco can join them- and then for Sevco to go t*ts up like their predecessors. Its going to leave more than the SFA with egg on their faces, still Scottish hunnery feels no shame
Csb I was there. I think he ran on to a ball from Houdini or Jinky. It was dark and freezing. I was still 13 turned 14 in
March. We thrashed them 4 times 71/72 and they still won their diddy cup! BRB getting Really blootered.
Wee Fergus had a plan to build a massive social club ,where the Velodrome is now.He hated going to CP and seeing nearby pubs packed with hoops.Was going to get buses to park there and use it.
Neveralone- Bouncing mate? I still am at the memory!!!!! BRB
I wish the other Clubs well in their quest for restructuring, what a pity sevco won’t be around to participate in it.
bigrailroadblues
17:53 on
26 April, 2013
Csb I was there. I think he ran on to a ball from Houdini or Jinky. It was dark and freezing. I was still 13 turned 14 in
March. We thrashed them 4 times 71/72 and they still won their diddy cup! BRB getting Really blootered.
Happy days-see below reports fro Celtic Wiki:
Trivia
Both sides wore black armbands in remembrance of those who died in the Ibrox disaster 12 months previously.
Jim Brogan’s father left the ground with 5 minutes remaining and missed his son’s greatest moment as a Celt.
This was Celtic’s first league double over Rangers since 1912.
Review
One of the most dramatic ever endings to an Old Firm game.
Colin Stein had levelled Jinky’s first half opener in 81 minutes and draw looked likely.
With seconds remaining McNeill launched a ball into the Rangers area. Hood controlled it well and lobbed a cross to the far post where Brogan had gambled by making a run and the Celtic defender scored with a fine header.
Brogan was mobbed by happy Celtic players as the fans celebrated all around him.
This was Jim Brogan’s finest moment in a Celtic jersey.
Teams
CELTIC: Connaghan, Hay, Brogan, Dalglish, McNeill, Connelly, Johnstone, Lennox, Deans, Callaghan, Hood. Sub McGrain.
Goals:- Johnstone 35, Brogan 90.
RANGERS: McCloy Jardine Mathieson Greig Jackson Smith McLean Johnstone Stein MacDonald Johnstone.Sub Conn.
Goal:- Stein 81.
Ref:
Attendance 70,000
Articles
Match Report (see end of page below)
Pictures
Match Pictures
Articles
GLASGOW HERALD REPORT BY RAYMOND JACOBS
RANGERS STUNNED BY INJURY TIME WINNER FROM JIM BROGAN
The biters were badly bitten at Parkhead yesterday. Rangers, who had narrowly beaten Partick Thistle with a goal in the second minute of injury time, were themselves stunned in the same way by Celtic when everyone had reconciled themselves to a draw.
Of all the instruments that might have inflicted on Rangers their first defeat after seven successive victories and their fourth in as many games against Celtic this season, the least likely to have been chosen was the head of Celtic’s left back, Jim Brogan.
With the game heading towards the draw that would surely have soothed the strongest passions, Billy McNeill took a free kick. The ball came to Hood and, as he brought it under control, Brogan began a run into the area which he timed perfectly to infiltrate in front of McCloy, meet Hood’s clever lob, and glance the ball home.
By appearing as he did, apparently from nowhere, Brogan brought an unexpected climax to a game, which, on their endeavour in the second half, Rangers hardly deserved to lose.
Before the interval Celtic had established a rhythm and, through Dalglish and Callaghan, a useful measure of control in the midfield. Rangers, who had optimistically began the game with four men upfront, were gradually forced to withdraw as Celtic exerted great pressure.
Celtic thus made more chances for themselves and before Jimmy Johnstone opened the scoring in 35 minutes, Deans, Lennox and Hood had all gone close. Apart from that, Rangers put themselves in difficulty by needlessly giving away free kicks in dangerous positions.
It was from one of these that Celtic’s first goal came, almost by way of being a punishment. From the left side of the area Hood flighted the ball to the far side, and there was Jimmy Johnstone, standing completely unmarked so that he only had to stoop to conquer McCloy with his head.
For their part Rangers showed splendid willingness to carry the fight. McLean passed the ammunition effectively and Stein and Derek Johnstone gave Connaghan more than one uncomfortable moment as they ran on to the high ball with which Rangers tested the nerve and judgement of the Celts’ goalkeeper.
Together the sides put together a first half of football as fluent and entertaining as anyone can hope for in a match where the usual tendency of the occasion is for the tension to subvert normal skills into rushed passing, uncompromising tackles and trigger happy shooting.
The second half was much more of a patchwork. Rangers swung all their considerable weight into their attempt to beard those formidable lions in their den.
The pressure was then on Celtic and Connelly, just as Smith had done, stood out as the cooling influence in defence.
Yet despite Rangers’ exertions, Hood twice had shots saved by McCloy and Mathieson had his name taken for bringing down Lennox as he sprinted clear – not by any means he worst foul of a match that was controlled with commendable lack of fuss by referee Mr Mullan.
But with nine minutes left Rangers were at last rewarded with what seemed likely to be the equalising goal. Mathieson pushed the ball forward and Stein and Johnston took it almost in tandem with a rush that broke through Celtic’s defence. It was Stein’s shot that Connaghan got his hands to put could not stop.
And that, we thought, was that – until Brogan’s bolt from the blue brought the game to a stirring end and left the masses at the Celtic end of the ground to noisily exult over their rivals who stood in mute disbelief at the other end.
CELTIC – Connaghan, Hay, Brogan, Dalglish, McNeill, Connelly, Johnstone, Lennox, Deans, Callaghan, Hood.
Sub McGrain.
Goals:- Johnstone 35, Brogan 90.
RANGERS – McCloy Jardine Mathieson Greig Jackson Smith McLean Johnstone Stein MacDonald Johnstone.
Sub Conn.
Goal:- Stein 81.
Attendance 77,000