Three weeks after putting 8 goals past South Lanarkshire’s top team Celtic struggled to demonstrate their superiority against the county’s least decorated SFA member
We’ve seen these games before, East Kilbride looked no weaker than the Arbroath team who took us to a replay after drawing at Celtic Park a few years back, but neither performance was an endorsement of Celtic’s football.
I’m getting an uncomfortable feeling that teams know how to play Celtic. For most, this knowledge will not affect the result, but some, like Ross County and Aberdeen, will figure they can give us the ball all day, and as long as they stick to task, they’ll have a chance.
The only resolution to the ills of the last three outings is to get back on the field and boss a game the way we did several times last month. Ross County and Inverness both visit Celtic Park in the next two weeks and both need to feel a backlash. Let’s hope.
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FAVOURITE UNCLE on 8TH FEBRUARY 2016 4:02 PM
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Keep the Faith!
Hail Hail!
MIT-this time last season the players were super fit,look at them now? They are not buying into him anymore IMO. We can only hope his replacement will be allowed to bring in his own staff,including a chief scout. HH
PhilBhoy
Time will tell if I can judge after 1 game.. Let’s revisit in a month or so. One of us can tell the other ‘I told you so’….
It’s certainly my opinion after watching him closely for HALF a game. :-)
HH
CB
*2015
working from home.
and here is something i never thought i would say …………
I am enjoying the
LEN GOODMAN ON VACATION WITH DANIEL O’DONNELL
arranmore island is twinned with Beaver lake.
interesting wee distraction so it is.
CULTSBHOY
re KT;
Was thinking the same thing (about the ‘sold’ bit) .Two more seasons of captain Broonie, then young Tierney can step in and be both a better captain and a better footballer.
http://www.arranmoreco-op.com/classified/oambeavermonument_lg.jpg
Tierney already brings more to the team than Broony
We need about 8 more … where are they ?
HH
GREENPINATA on 8TH FEBRUARY 2016 4:03 PM
Most Celtic supporters recognised what Fergus McCann did for us. That doesn’t mean to say we loved him.
He was a businessman who did what he said he would do. But he was a businessman who used to be a conveyor on the Croy Celtic Supporters bus. Do you know Croy? Undisputedly, You can not please everybody.
What is not in dispute is that Fergus McCann will go down favourably in Celtic history.
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Fergus will definitely go down favourably in Celtic history
However, he used to get pelters. I can remember people booing him when he was unfurling a league flag (Quinn got the same). I can remember chants outside Celtic park after tough defeats.
All the moaning about the current board is just giving me a bit of de ja vu. Which is funny to me because I don’t see many complain about Fergus now.
Timaloy29
Like you, i want Celtic to be Celtic.
But i do feel…that if you are in a position of power at CP….then you should be able to take the flak, and the responsibility that goes with the remuneration.
How the current PLC are allowed to absolve themselves…is beyond me.
The Ciftci carry on being a case in point.
Such mismanagement should be dealt with…not ignored.
There should be accountability.
HH
Philbhloy …. I agree on that point , and had definitely thought the same thing myself ….
2 seasons ago, we didn’t look as fit as most of the teams we played (certainly in Europe) … last season, I thought we finished games stronger than most of the teams … and assumed RD/JC was resposible for the improvement, and expected us to be even fitter this season …..but, this season, we seem to have backwards on that point …..
that is troubling …. players might not like the coach’s tactics …. but if players are not working as hard as last season (which, if they are not as fit, is waht I assume) …. then that is on the players … not RD.
Cultsbhoy
I would never say “I told you so”.
Whether CKR is any good or not, will we play him and Leigh upfront from now on or do we just do that against the wee teams?
I’ve got a feeling that we will revert to one up front and CKR will warm the bench most of the time.
I think he adds a bit of physicality, and I like that.
Oh and if he stamped on an Aberdeen player, well, the player deserved it.
Two omissions are Christie and Alan
I suspect neither will break through this season but both could next year. I’m particularly hopeful for Christie as I knew his Dad so have followed his progress. Scott Alan I know less about.
Patrick Robert may also stifle their development as he will be prioritised as per Mark Lawwell’s instructions.
One thing I like about Christie and Alanis they have the body language
That yells confidence…
MIT
If the best and established players are sold and replaced with poorer un-established players even from their own club. It is asking a lot of a relatively unknown Norwegian coach to turn free and loan signings into ten million pound EPL players at Lennoxtown. We can hardly produce a youth player never mind a convyor belt of talent at any level ?
HH
The PLC remind me of various FIFA committees…. and the offhand disregard for serious concerns.
It will come back to haunt them…because not questioning the obvious corruption, will only provoke massive condemnation.
Clarity and democratic processes are the future.
Some seem to be slow to grasp that.
HH
THE GREEN MAN SAYS SACK THE BOARD on 8TH FEBRUARY 2016 4:23 PM
“But i do feel…that if you are in a position of power at CP….then you should be able to take the flak, and the responsibility that goes with the remuneration.”
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I don’t believe PL and DD have ever taken aim at the support in order to defend themselves.
If you are referring to Bankier and Livingstone then I agree. Clearly not as clever as PL and DD. Their time is up at Celtic.
TIMALOY29 on 8TH FEBRUARY 2016 4:29 PM
I don’t believe PL and DD have ever taken aim at the support in order to defend themselves.
I think your wrong there
HH
old celtic park – 1922.
not a celtic match, but a neutrul cup tie.
look at the original double barrel roof of the old enclosure, and the main stand with the enclosure in front, its very clear images.
http://movingimage.nls.uk/film/3357?search_term=scottish%20cup&search_join_type=AND&search_fuzzy=yes
Title: SCOTTISH CUP TIES
Reference number: 3357
Date: 1921, February
Production company: Green’s Film Service, Green’s Topical Productions
Sound: silent
Colour: bw
Fiction: non-fiction
Running time: 4.34 mins
Description:
SCOTTISH CUP Round football matches.
Shotlist:
SCOTTISH CUP 3rd Round Replay Motherwell V Ayr United at Celtic Park. Result Motherwell 3 Ayr United 1. Green’s Film Service. [1st Match] Motherwell v. Ayr United at Celtic Park (Parkhead) – This being a neutral ground means that the match was probably at least the second replay between the teams. Ayr goalie possibly Hepburn, SCOTTISH Internationalist, Teams emerge from Old Pavilion, Parkhead(0.29) – Motherwell out first with strip as in Ref 3356, Ayr Utd in horizontally striped shirts. Shots of game features original Parkhead “Jungle”[covered standing area] in background(1.26) [2nd Match] SCOTTISH CUP 4th Round Motherwell v Partick Thistle at Fir Park. Result Motherwell 2 Thistle 2. Green’s Topical Productions Glasgow and London. (1.37) panning shot of crowd(2.17) teams emerge(2.34) Motherwell first, strip as in Ref 3356 followed by Thistle whose plain coloured shirt features a large thistle patch emblem. This match probably mid 1920s. Thistle goalie Kenny Campbell. Grandstand featured was present till 1960 – it did not stretch the entire length of the pitch as there was a private house built there March 1921 and not owned by Motherwell F.C.(2.37) gv’s match in progress (two goals scored) (4.34).
AWE_NAW_NO_ANNONI_OAN_ANAW_NOO on 8TH FEBRUARY 2016 4:31 PM
Example?
awe naw …
long time no chat pal. How ya doing?
dont disagree, but that isn’t what I am asking about …. forget anyone paying $10 million for any of our players at the moment… not going to happen … until we can get them playing together …. get the best out of what we have, and the value of all of hte players will increase …. but right now, RD isn’t doing that …. our team right now is less than the sum of its parts …
as for giving RD more top players …
if someone is stripping the gears on my toyota, well, I would be reluctant to let him drive my ferrari …
I remember the old gambler/tennis hustler bobby riggs used to play (and beat ) people with a shoe or a broom handle for a frying pan …. the point is, if you are good enough, you can make it work …
I’m just not sure that RD is good enough, or, as I suggested above, not suited for the scottish game at the moment …
.(in the interests of full disclosure … I own neither a toyota or a ferrari …when I got Derry (my golden retriever) I I traded in my little sports car for a volvo wagon ! :)
get the pl
TIMALOY29
Id beg to differ there.
The PLC are collectively responsible.
They have been negligent imo.
Time they were challenged on their record, and its perfectly valid to do so.
HH
to paraphrase,
did Desmond not sometime say along the lines of “who are these people (celtic supporters) who think they can tell me how to spend my money”.
SAINT STIVS
Not to mention DD waxing lyrical about cheats and bigots.
Which in itself, was a total slap in the face to Celtic supporters.
I dont care how rich he is….any so-called Celtic man who uttered those comments…imo….is a fool.
btw…Love that footage.
HH
now this is a fitba crowd, the highest ever for a club match.
http://movingimage.nls.uk/film/0849?search_term=scottish%20cup&search_join_type=AND&search_fuzzy=yes
FROM THE CELTICWIKI
1937-04-24: Celtic 2-1 Aberdeen, Scottish Cup FinalThis is a featured page
1936 – 1937 | Scottish Cup 1936-37 | Match Pictures
Trivia
World record attendance: 147,365 (official)
Celtic’s 15th Cup final victory! Aberdeen’s first Scottish Cup final.
Willie Buchan was a hero for Celtic in this game, yet 3 months later was shamefully sold against his wishes to Blackpool for £10k.
Review
1937-04-24: Celtic 2-1 Aberdeen, Scottish Cup – Pictures – Kerrydale StreetSomething very special about this day and this game. It was just the vast scale of it that amazes all who look back on it. Forever it will be recorded to be a record attendance in the UK for a match and possibly forever in Europe. One day some egomaniac somewhere will demand his country to create a white elephant of a stadium which can hold even more and the club world record attendance will be broken, however until then it will never diminish the day and keep Celtic in the limelight. There were actually even more outside trying to get in! The actual world record for all football was recorded only days before at 149,000 for Scotland v England held again at the same stadium (Hampden).
People travelled from all over Scotland to this game, and in the days before car ownership was a common thing, that was some achievement, and the atmosphere could definitely be said to be packed and raucous. With no huns around, it was to be a glorious day for both sides. The Aberdeen manager himself was an-Celtic player (Travers) and so there was a bit of Celtic in both camps. For Aberdeen, they were challenging for their first Scottish Cup title (then the most prestigious cup in the land (although the league was most coveted)) whilst for Celtic it was their 15th! An incredible achievement for the time.
In the match, Celtic had a strong start which saw us take a 1-0 lead after just 12mins where a shot by Buchan was slotted into the back of the net by Crum after the goalkeeper had to parry the shot. However, the lead was very short-lived and Aberdeen equalized soon after in just one minute!
For much of the second half, it was mostly all Celtic with the midfield in control stifling their Aberdeen counterparts. Chic Geaton’s was said to have been the gem in our midfield, controlling it magnificently. However, as much as our strikers were creating the opposition problems, it required the intervention of the legendary Jimmy McGrory to create the opportunity that won us the cup, freeing up Willie Buchan to shoot past the opposition goalkeeper with 20mins to go. Aberdeen claimed a handball from McGrory in the move to the goal, but not given or substantiated.
Full-time whistle went, and a landmark in the club game was complete.
Celtic were winners of the Scottish cup for the 15th time. Aberdeen had to wait a bit longer for their first time to get their hands on the cup but a new giant of the Scottish game was born.
Teams
CELTIC:
Kennaway; Hogg and Morrison; Geatons. Lyon, and Paterson; Delaney, Buchan, McGrory, Crum, and Murphy.
Scorers:
Crum (11mins), Buchan (72mins)
ABERDEEN:
Johnstone: Cooper and Temple; Dunlop, Falloon, and Thomson; Benyon, McKenzie. Armstrong. Mills, and Lang.
Scorers:
Armstrong (12mins)
Attendance: 147,365
Stadium: Hampden Park
Referee: M. C. Hutton.
I like the idea of fan ownership. But fan owned clubs are not short of corruption. Quite the contrary.
Cultsbhoy Re Ryan Christie I know/knew his dad- and I’m sure he is a fine fellow but Ryan is the one we have signed, in your opinion knowing him as you do? will he do the business for us?. H H Hebcelt
celtic 2 aberdeen 1 scottish cup final 1934.
on ourway to the double , by winning the cup first.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypt-8RIaaCg
I have given up arguing with the ’empty barrels’ on here who talk only of hating Lawwell and the board – they make the most noise but they are firmly in the minority of all supporters.
The vast majority of fans know that we are doing our best in extremely challenging circumstances.
I make only one observation – Ronny has been given a decent chance – it is now time for him to part company, carrying all our best wishes, with Celtic Football Club.
Cultsbhoy I am amazed what you do with your time. Work, coach youngsters, father husband, expert football analyst. Do you pay Council Tax, if so you shouldn’t, yer never in or are you an inmate in Craiginches? On 23 hour lockdown? You watched CKR and he’s not got a striker’s instinct, he scored didn’t he? At least Peter Lawwell’s bonus, that you envy, can have a nap. Bet you felt right at home with the Dons while you were studying CKR . If you can be so kind and post your salary details here, you like highlighting Peter Lawwells. Before you ask mine last year was £105,627. Bonus 25 % of salary.
comical pasty on,
very funny,
keep up the good work.
Mr. Pastry
You should observe more.
Hebcelt
Very Celtic family. Very ‘strict’ upbringing in terms of no achieving at school no football..!
He’s s clever boy, grounded and Zi think talented. Probably needs to bulk
A bit ( which I see Scott Alan has)
Great pace and football brain.
I’d have him in the team now tbh.
Mr Pastry
Nobody here hates PL.
But there are good reason to question his performance as Celtic CEO.
Its not personal.
Its about where Celtic are going.
The PLC should be accountable to the supporters….should they not.
I will ignore your previous rants….and debate you on the question of responsibility and accountability.
It is right that PL’s record is challenged.
Otherwise we would be mindless zombies…who dont ask uncomfortable questions.
Down with this misplaced deference.
HH
Robert88
Would elaborate, but another time, I should have said real Celtic men.
live from Grafton Street Dublin
What a novel joy to read “East Kilbride v Celtic live updates” on CQN, something that had never crossed my mind as being even a possibility until a few short weeks ago.
EKFC showed, if further proof were needed, that you can take a group of good footballers, each lacking a specific attribute – pace, height, athleticism etc – train and shape them, and frustrate a top class team.
While the football club was started in 2010, it was only in 2013, as our older youth players were graduating into adult football, that it was decided to put together an adult team.
As an SFA Quality Mark and accredited Community Club, with a brand new training academy and associated resources, the club was accepted into the Lowland League it its inaugural season. Our first match was played in August 2013.
In the intervening 2.5 years, the senior team has played all of 68 competitive league fixtures, about the same number as Callum McGregor.
As an amateur team, our players are registered on a “non-contract” basis, and are free to leave at any time without the club receiving compensation. Each summer our best performers tend to move to other clubs, and we need to rebuild the team.
This is generally accomplished by promoting kids from the U19s and 20s, supplemented by older players who are leaving the professional or semi-professional ranks, many time-served apprentices.
After our first season in the Lowland League, finishing runners up to Spartans and winning the Challnge Cup, manager Iain King left, as did most of the 1st team. Incoming manager Billy Ogilvie was left with just 6 registered players only 5 weeks before the start of the season. A combination of youth graduates and contacts of Billy’s from Queens Park were melded together into a team, that again finished the season 2nd in the league, this time to Edinburgh City, and won the League Cup
As usual, we lost a number of important players, including the league’s top scorer Joao Victoria who signed for Arbroath, and captain Craig McLeish to Queens Park. Another close season, another new team to build.
I think only 1 or 2 payers in this season’s squad remain from 2 years ago. Around half of the 1st team squad, and 6 of those named in the group for yesterday’s match, are local kids who’ve come through the youth pathway. That pathway starts at age 4, and there are currently 30 age group teams encompassing aorund 600 kids. It’s not designed as a ‘conveyor belt’ but it’s pretty effective.
As an amateur side, our players receive travelling expenses only, and the entire Annual budget to run the first team, the U20s (reserves) and the U19s amounts to less than Campbell Ogilvie might allegedly spend on a good night out.
Given those circumstances, it seems scarcely believable that the team could progress through to the 5th round of the Scottish Cup, and thereafter, be able to contain the top professional team in the country, a handball and a scrappy stramash giving Celtic a 2-0 win on the day.
EKFC were clearly unable to hit Celtic, struggling for 30% possession and a single shot on target, but Celtic equally toiled to damage Kilby.
It serves as an example of how a good coach is able to to train and shape a team, irrespective of the gap in resources and talent, to ‘compete’ against a bigger club. Lenny did it versus Barca a few seasons ago to great effect, Morton did it to Lenny, and it’s something that every manager in the SPFL does when facing Celtic.
Had Kilby made a little better use of the ball, perhaps a stronger point man to unsettle the centre halves, a little better luck in their own box, it might have been a more uncomfortable day than any of us could have contemplated.
As it was, Celtic won through to the next round, and East Kilbride won respect and new friends.
It’s actually the dream result for this CQNer. And I suspect, for one or two others.
On Fergus, my moniker was not a coincidence when I logged onto this site for the first time more than 10 years ago.
Subsequently, I’ve had cause to consider changing it to “The Retrospectively Credited Bunnet”
some posters seem to have no idea of who is and is not fit,at the moment,one picked his team with simounovic, who is out for 5 weeks,and it,s been known for days,common injured rogic injured,janko who knows where he is,not been seen for months;then we get we had a bad day blame EFE,on another forum some idiot said every pass he made yesterday went to an opposition player,must have been watching a different game,cannot remember him giving the ball away,one bad cross,and he is not a right back or a winger,Again Forrest gets it,the guy had more efforts on target than anyone else.The biggest problem is we are short in certain positions,if Janko is injured or not wanted why is Fisher still in perth,or why did we not bring in cover,having just one half fit right back is terrible,then we loan out Henderson,a far better player than most we have just now,he was brilliant against the mini huns yesterday,and he can cross a ball properly,then we bring in a player on loan from man city,and he has not been given a chance,even on the bench at pittodrie he might have came on and helped,the manager has no plan a let alone plan b,he can beggar off right now
I wonder if given the benefit of hindsight whether Nancy regret sacking Wenger when he was their manager?
It takes time to build a team do Celtic Plc has the courage to keep faith with Ronny?
Only time will tell I suppose.