The Gang of 10 SPL club who will meet next week will decide whether or not we have a morally sound and ethically administered league. The meeting wasn’t announced three hours before overtures were being made on terms a Rangers Newco would be prepared to agree to in order to win their backing.
Effectively, the other 10 will asked to hold their noses, put all moral judgement aside and tell Rangers Newco the terms they need to agree to in order to get back into the SPL, retain their history and limit consequences of the alleged improper registration of players. Some of those hoping to front a Rangers Newco are prepared to do whatever is necessary to get back on a level playing field with those who have spent the last 20 years playing honest football and paying their taxes.
The question to be considered is not just what is ethically right in sport; it’s more personal than that. This is about what is going to happen to your money, the football club that defines who you are, and your relationship with the game for the rest of your life.
The schemers and cheats are not beaten and they are not going to give up. There is no honour, no ‘dignity’, no moral compass that understands there are consequences for decades of rampant abuse. All there is, is a sense of entitlement that I struggle to comprehend.
That sense of entitlement is about to promise bucket loads of your cash to someone else in order to restore the old certainties. This time, they are not even going to use the tax man’s money, they are going to use YOUR money. The money you put into the game will be distributed and used to flush the smaller clubs, who will in turn restore Rangers to their position of ascendency.
This is not sport, it’s a disgusting abuse of Celtic fans. You are not even being asked, you are being expected to open your wallets and pay whatever price it takes to put Rangers back on top.
I have never called for a boycott of a newspaper, never mind a football game, but this is not football anymore. We cannot be party to this. It is not a passing-issue either. Rules are being made with consequences that could last 100 years.
You have suffered from decades of malpractice and have earned the right to go to Ibrox in two weeks to enjoy the reflection of honest endeavour. After this, our next away game will be at Kilmarnock. If the Gang of 10 attempt an insurrection using your money, join me in a picket outside Celtic Park when these tickets are available for sale, and outside the away gates at Rugby Park on game day, to explain to Celtic fans the consequences of supporting the clubs who would use your money to establish a new Rangers.
Unite and bring the full power of Celtic against those who would rather do a deal with the devil than establish an honest, even, playing field.
If the Gang of 10 give Rangers Newco their way, using your money, we cannot go back to an away game, not this season, not ever. We must demand this discipline from each other and insist the club refuse all away tickets.
Having paid our taxes, registered footballers in an honest manner and brought international acclaim to Scottish football, the Celtic Movement is being corrupted by the lowest common denominator.
Our magnificent sporting institution is being destroyed. For the love of all that is decent and meritocratic in the game, we need help from England, Europe or wherever to move out of Scottish football.
I am just about finished with the entire, corrupt, shambles that masquerades as a sport.
Issue six of CQN Magazine….. has sold out! None left, sorry.
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I alluded to this on Paul’s article last night that the meeting of the gang of 10 was about on what terms they would allow the huns in.
If UEFA are unwilling or unable to hep out and this comes to pass, a bhoycott is a must.
It’s not about a GIRUY to the smaller clubs as much as a statement about who we are as a club, sporiting integrity and not tugging the forelock.
We have moral duty to oursleves, our club and our friends and relatives who are no longer with us not to accept this without a stand.
Árd Macha
EN
Answer to no. 3 should be Gary Sprake
Answer to no. 8 should be Anton Rogan
*ourselves*
Seriously busy.
Árd Macha
If there is a boycott, I suggest fans stay away from the grounds. Don’t congregate on the streets and don’t march. With these new police powers, it’s asking for trouble. Just stay at home. Empty seats inside the stadium (and empty coffers) will be enough for the world to see what’s happening.
Thimthetim,
it appears you didntget the point,
The other 10 clubs are attacking our well being, I quoted the pat of your post which was misinformation, it an not be taken out of context, your saying the board cannot advocte attacking other clubs whilst accepting other clubs can attack us, the mindset of a lock tugger,
Paul67
It looks like the CSA are behind the boycott call. We need to be united on this to make it effective.
Apologies if already posted:
http://www.thecsa.co.uk/showthread.php?t=555
Hail Hail
Árd Macha on 9 March, 2012 at 15:13 said
Well said, my friend.
What would Big Jock think?
“Rangers players’ wage cut agreement written and ready for signatures. Representatives reading over now…”
Methinks this would need the players signatures. Though they have all left for the day?
BigChipsUk 15:11
Great, got to be in the lead… Hoopeddreams is right with the other two, cant believe I got them wrong.
EN
headtheball,
might I add, everyone sitting at home uses illegal streams to watch the away games, to deny as much reveue as possible.
Paul67 etal.
No one who doesn’t go to away games should call for a boycott,it would distort the feelings of Celtic supporters who do go to the away games.I haven’t been to an away game for about three years,and feel that I have no right to ask a genuine away game supporter,to boycott any away game.
I fully support what Paul67 has written,but leave the decision to boycott games to those it would concern,the travelling support.
midfield maestro on 9 March, 2012 at 14:59 said:
dont let the facts get in the way of a good story!!
If ( and i’m sure ) you are talking about who i think your talking about. Then he is a known to me also, thru a very very very good source and he doesn’t discriminate between his dislike for both us and them.
Dublinbhoy on 9 March, 2012 at 15:16
A great line to rally to from the CSA post
“Wield the power of the green pound for the benefit of our team and its supporters”
OLDTIM 1518
Absolutely.
So who do they support-Celtic or Newco?
James Forrest
Just Re. your earlier post, under what circumstances could any newco officially inherit the ‘history’ of the oldco? Didn’t think this was possible at all- I assume its if they assume the slot vacated by the oldco and take their vote, registration no. etc?
HH
Neil canamalar Lennon hunskelper extrordinaire on 9 March, 2012 at 15:15 said:
I will make this a short reply to you, as you appear to be reverting to your offensive alter ego.
I said that Celtic will have other means of dealing with the Ten.
Match attendance is the prerogative of match attenders.
Over and out on this one.
Free the Celtic one.
If the SPL tried to impose revenue sharing on Celtic as a condition of membership our club could tie the matter up in Court for years never mind THE UEFA/FIFA reaction.
Also, I’m sure Ticketus would have something to say about this as well. I don’t they would allow half of their share of a future Rangers gate to be given away.
Sky and ESPN
Don’t stop at cancelling the subscription. Shortly after re-contact and indicate you want to take it out again, then in the ‘cooling off’ period change your mind again. Then start again. That will seriously cost them extra bucks and clog up their working practice for a while.
Govan?
Perhaps the best locus for a demonstration of will might be to assemble down Govan way on away game duties. Now that would give ra polis something to think about.
A Govan assembly then a march across one of those bendy bridges and a park in George Square. Bit more dangerous but might be worth it for the reaction?
HH
We will not stand by as the other 10 Chairmen do a dodgy deal with the Evil Empire.
The thing that confused me most when the EE went into administration was the timing of the event; I wondered why Whyte didn’t do it when they were 15 points ahead; so obviously with a 10 point deduction they would still have been top of the league.
Recent events might go some way to explain it. The administrators were appointed by Whyte himself; and seem to be at least; dragging their heels; if not blatantly playing a stalling game to allow for other negotiations to take place.
It is now reported that the other 10 teams in the SPL are to meet to discuss the plight of the most dishonest and obnoxious team in the history of Scottish Football; so what kind of deals will be done behind closed doors without the input of the most powerful team in the league?
It is well known that Celtic along with their rivals bring more to the financial table than all the rest put together; and by quite a considerable margin; it is also well documented that the Glasgow 2 have the power of veto over the other 10 with an 11-1 vote required on some issues.
If the 10 think they can use the current situation to drive through a better deal by blackmailing the EE into concessions; in return for not opposing their return to the SPL with a clean slate; then they better be prepared for doing so without the financial input of the Celtic Support.
We have had many causes for Bhoycott’s in the past; we were cheated on a weekly basis by officials who claimed it was honest mistakes. We were treated with disdain by previous officials of the SFA like George Peat and Jim Farry. Our supporters have received sectarian and racist abuse at almost every ground in Scotland.
Well we are not the whipping bhoys anymore; we will not be treated like second class citizens anymore; we contribute about 35% of the total financial supporter input to Professional Football in Scotland; and we will wield the power of the green pound for the benefit of our team and its supporters.
If chairmen like Michael Johnston at Kilmarnock and John Yorkston at Dunfermline think they can use this situation for the benefit of their two bit teams; then they better think carefully before they act.
Kilmarnock claim to be a big team; they sent back thousands of tickets for the league Cup Final next week; which are now being taken up by the only true big team in Scotland’s supporters; would they have sold more tickets if the final had been against their brethren from Govan? Probably.
As for Dunfermline and their anti-Celtic chairman Yorkston; does he think he can drive through a vote for reconstruction with the support of new Rangers? Does the same go for Gilmour at St Mirren?
If these chairmen; and the others in the SPL; to further their own agenda; use the present situation to allow a new Rangers to come back into the SPL without the appropriate sanctions; then they had better be ready for a backlash from the Celtic Support.
This Rangers; have been cheating the rest of Scottish Football for God knows how long; probably since their inception in one way or another; they have absolutely no thoughts for anyone but themselves; they deserve to be punished; and punished strongly.
We will be watching closely in the next few days and weeks; we will find out who is behind any moves to allow a smooth path for a Newco; I have already mentioned three chairmen; but I would warn them all.
I believe if the Newco was forced through by the collaboration of the other 10 clubs; the Celtic support will respond with the appropriation action. We will call a public meeting of all Celtic supporters; and we will ask them to support action against those who are culpable.
If they think we will stand by and watch as they slither to make decisions which are against the basic concept of fair play and integrity; then they have another think coming. I am confident that the Celtic support will react in the proper manner. Joe O’Rourke Celtic Suppoerters Association
Paul67
If this happens and our board allow it. I will never put another penny into Scottish Football, never mind away games.
Front of the bus CSC.
While a boycott of away games will no doubt hurt the gang of 10, I believe they will view this as a short term problem. Ultimately this was always going to come down to a them & us scenario. From Paul’s article it looks like they’ve made their decision. We should have said to hell with this league years ago but this should now be the final straw. Apply for the conference league or find somewhere else to play. Heck even arrange a season of friendly’s. Would much rather watch a Celtic V Milan friendly than give Scottish Football another thin dime,
I think Celtic need to make our position clear, we will not be part of another tainted league we’ve already had our fill for decades.
We only want them treated according to the rules.
No more, no less.
PAUL 67. It would be interesting to know the official Celtic view of what is going on say by talking to Peter Lawwell it would also give Celtic fans the chance to air there concerns.Would it be possible for you maybe with perhaps another 2 CQNrs that you trust to ask for such a meeting? there is so much speculation going around at the moment it would be interesting to know the Official Celtic position and may calm down some speculation.H.H.
BOBBY MURDOCH’S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS on 9 March, 2012 at 14:50 said:
IBLEEDGREENANDWHITE 1408
I stand by what I said to you in my reply this morning. I still believe that are finished.
Of course,the suggestions on today’s thread are a bit of a blindsider,even by hun-affiliate standards,so we are gonna have to be even cuter to put them down.
But we will. That’s why we are where we are,and they are where they are.
Sometimes it’s a long game….
This morning i agreed with everything that you said,,,but Paul67’s article has thrown me slightly!!
We as a support have to be ready for whatever is coming!!!
Hail hail
Remember the huns used to bang on about the Balance Sheet Trophy?
When is the presentation?
Love to see a GB banner about that.
On the BBC website:
Iain MacCalman: “As a Gers fan I’m ashamed for us but as a Scot f’ball fan I’d be raging if we wasted the chance to fix our game”
I thought they’d been fixing the game for years.
Only just got on the blog and got to second page so I don’t know any latest and I’ve a question in general re a bhoycott which I fully support,I probably already know the answer but just for clarification-
Will csc’s who gather in clubs and pubs to watch games be not watching the games and also would we be crossing the picket line if we collectively listened to the game on radio?
the answer is easy.
celtic as a club should withdraw from all away fixtures.
arrange friendlies at home rather
than at least every 2nd away game.
id bet that we would still gain the points
for at least europa qulification.
i know its radical. but….
any chance of a bhoycot of remaining away fixtures this year?
we’d still win league only winning next couple of home fixtures i think???
Thindimebhoy on 9 March, 2012 at 15:20 said:
These imps in the world of football will learn what Captain Boycott found out the hard way…play fair or else!
Hail Hail
Don’t rely on UEFA in this.
They will take their advice from SFA. Ahem…
Mort, not a problem. Will get your email and mobile number nearer the time.
HH
SFFS
Paul67…
An outstanding article. You’ve reached a point that I did maybe 6 months ago. And even that had been growing for a long time.
What we are seeing here is what we suspected all along. There are no limits to the action that will be taken to preserve Rangers. And everyone must pay. The tax payer, other football teams and even their own players. Everyone must make a sacrifice to preserve these leeches.
The rallying cry is “Scottish football needs a strong Rangers!”. I would ask why? Henry McLeish, when he undertook his study of Scottish Football (with a view to making it healthier) pinpointed the years when the league was a 10 team setup as being the halcyon years. This was based on empirical evidence rather than opinion. Somewhat fortuitously for us, it also busts the myth about needing Rangers. The years the league was the strongest – and by strongest I mean competitive AND doing well in Europe, were the years that Rangers were a mid table side, and Celtic were duking it out the Aberdeen, Dundee United and even Hearts for the league.
Rangers contribution over over the years has been as nothing more than a leech. Cheating and adopting an all take and no give approach. They’ve distorted the transfer market as a consequence of their financial doping, cheated other teams out of competing, and yet me must save them? Nonsense.
The sad fact however is that we should shut up shop. The battle has been lost. The league is corrupt, society is corrupt and Celtic gave up all vesiges of being the proud charitable institution we once were in favour of doing deals with sweat shop companies, drinks firms and gambling sites. English football is no better. Another cess-pool of greed and avarice.
I thought I’d enjoy Rangers demise. In fact it just makes me sad to see so many gulled by idiotic arguements. When the best Keevins and his ilk can think of to justify Rangers is “Think of the TV money”…Why not just start a porn site if fiscal return is the be all and end all? Or open an investment bank? I want to see sport. I want to see honesty and purity.
Except that I’m going for an extended stay in hospital (hip problems from playing too much football while a bit injured) and will be off my feet for maybe 6 months I’d happily join you in a pickett.
/p
thonthetim,
there is no alter ego, a spade is a spade and always will be.
when clubs are clearly attacking my club I do not expect fellow supporters to try and limit our options. You have told us the club cant openly call for a boycott on the grounds that there may be rules about conduct, whilst ignoring the conduct of our persecuters.
Celtic ca very easily call for a bhoycott, by simply announcing publically we will not be handling away tickets foir the forseeable future.
Really really simple and effective call to bhoycott, regardless of the wording.
Dismissing the option out of hand is lock tugging
_No_Annoni_Oan_Anaw_Noo on 9 March, 2012 at 14:34 said:
The story of how the huns managed to corner the Scottish media will be told one day.
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I don’t think they ever needed to ‘corner the Scottish media’. For as long as I can remember the function of the Scottish sports press has been to do Rangers bidding. That’s why recent events could have marked a sea-change in Scottish culture.
IBLEEDGREENANDWHITE 1529
Aye,just a bit.
Who could have foreseen such a level of collusion in an open and competitive environment?
Especially one so tightly regulated as football?
I think there is a serious risk of Scottish football being reminded of its responsibilities within the game as a whole. And quite forcefully too.
UEFA,who supercede FIFA on this will be quite clear on rules which must be obeyed. Scottish football is not an autonomous organisation,whether they like it or not.
IMO…..
If Paul67 is correct ( and I assume that he has some inside track) the SPL Diddy teams are going to vote the FoD back into SPL.
They are going to use this as an opportunity to redress the balance in Scotland.
The belief is that the FoD coming back in, will be at the price of an agreement to change voting structures within SPL away from 11/1 ( which allowed the ‘Old Firm (sic) to block the majority)
The FoD and ourselves have acted out of self interest , not very democratic , the Diddy teams are acting out of self interest.
I can not blame them for looking out for themselves.
However one (re-entry of FoD) is not dependent on the other ( change in the balance of power)
Expulsion of FoD from SPL would surely in itself achieve the necessary balance shift.
The current 10 (+ Ross Co next season ) would leave us exposed to whatever change they wanted to vote in
So why would the SPL 10 let the FoD back?
I think the debate next week ( if the attendees have any brains) may cover more agenda items than we are currently fretting over.
What might the agenda be?
Wee 10 Agenda ( Secret Location)
Item 1 : FoD . Should they be voted back in Yes / No?
Points to consider before voting
If vote Yes : What do we ask for in return? Equitable split of TV revenue , change of SPL voting rules etc. ( 9/3 , 8/4, 7/5 ?) Discuss
If vote Yes : How will this be received by our own fans? Discuss
If vote Yes : Will we lose some of our home support ? Discuss
: will we be accused of capitulation ,throwing away our only chance to compete ( it may be a 3 year window) for Europe Discuss
If vote No What does this mean this season?
If vote No : No Relegation this season + Ross Co Promoted
If vote No :We get to vote all the changes we want at our first meeting next season
If vote No : We maintain integrity of our league
If vote No : What will the absence of of the FoD cost each member team ? Discuss.
: What will the new new era (with out FoD )mean in terms of bigger home gates to those teams who can now chase the Euro spots etc. Discuss
: How much more will the remaining teams receive from equitable split of TV revenue. Discuss.
Will the new structure (and the associated pluses ) be more beneficial than the loss of FoD income? Discuss
Paul67 is mobilising his army and advocating a boycott of away games.
A little hasty.
We do not know what the outcome is yet.
If we secure the principal of a boycott of away games (before the 10 meet ) then we will ensure that a more aggressive option will be put on to the agenda
eg a division of the home gate between both participating teams.
Better to keep the powder dry, keep the tanks in the depot , we can park them on their lawns later if need be
The Onlooker
Meetingfacilitationsservices CSC
The adminstrators may be putting a rosy glow on everything but they would woudn’t they. This morning Whyte security had no value and Ticketus had no security. Of course he is an accountant not a corporate solicitor and this is what they think.
“BBC Scotland has learned Ticketus is confident of winning any case relating to the arrangement which saw the company advance money to Rangers in exchange for proceeds from three years’ worth of season ticket sales. The firm has been taking legal advice. The Rangers administrator Duff & Phelps yesterday emerged from the High Court with a trial date set as they seek to release £3.6m from an account they believe belongs to Rangers. However this is being contested by Ticketus, amongst others.”
The train crash goes on.