My initial reaction, that the outcome from today’s SPL meeting and votes on Financial Fair Play, was on the upside of expectations, appears to be well founded. All matters not relating to a Newco football team were passed. Clubs had the opportunity to vote through a process to allow a Newco access the league but it was apparent that there was clearly insufficient support for this proposal, making subsequent proposals to apply sanctions to a Newco moot.
I understand sentiment towards Rangers reflected the comments from St Mirren chairman, Stewart Gilmour, who said, “What’s a court getting involved in football for? The decision had been made.”
There is no question that fan pressure has been brought to bear on club chairmen.
This interpretation compares starkly with BBC Reporting Scotland tonight who, if I paraphrase, said, ‘If Rangers don’t get a CVA, depending on your point of view, they will either get “back” into the SPL with light or with punitive punishment’. The broadcaster also threw in the suggestion that ‘Rangers’ might get ‘back’ in without punishment.
I’m a huge admirer of Reporting Scotland but this was perhaps the worst 60 seconds in 85 years of BBC reporting. There was a decision made to ignore the real story, that no facility to get a Newco (not Rangers) into the SPL was approved, to ignore the outcome of several months of fan pressure, and to tailor a story that suits a controversial narrative.
Fortunately, it looks like the BBC will be back on form soon, but they really need to look at what happened today.
As for the CVA, it becomes less and less likely by the hour.
UPDATE
Having spoken to BBC Reporting Scotland’s Alastair Lamont it’s clear he has been briefed differently from me, which explains the contrast between our interpretations. This story is becoming a nightmare to report, and probably to read. Fair play to Alastair for being up for the debate. I feel much better about my favourite news programme.
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Lambert resigns from Norwich.
Will be next Villa manger.
Apparently.
Morning CQN!
Summer was good whilst it lasted. Cant wait for next year’s week. Wonder when it will be!
Aston Villa seem to like their ‘Old Firm’ managers and their appointments appear to be cyclical:
good manager/good player/good guy;
dull, uninspiring manager/lump of a player/numpty heid;
good manager/good player/good guy etc
AV fans better hope that PL succeeds as you know who mayl be next in line!
HH
Morning all from gay Paree, pretty cloudy but forecast is 23C max.
In the space of 3 months “Project william” has become “Project Cockup”.
The only winners in this – so far – seem to be Duph and Ffelps.
I just hope that Hector steps in to boot them out in time for the liquidation process.
ItaliaBhoy: great post earlier about AL.
RFC(ia): Time to Pay the Wages of Sin
Morning,
This has got to be the funniest thing I hsve ever erse from the laptop loyal.
Green is understood to believe that Rangers
and his consortium of potential owners
could endure a year without football, but
that expulsion for a season would have a
ruinous effect on other clubs in Scottish
football because of the impact on
broadcasting income and gate receipts.
Morning,
This has got to be the funniest thing I have ever read from the laptop loyal.
Green is understood to believe that Rangers
and his consortium of potential owners
could endure a year without football, but
that expulsion for a season would have a
ruinous effect on other clubs in Scottish
football because of the impact on
broadcasting income and gate receipts.
So Mr Greeeeeeen, we the men and women of Scottish football who have worked our whole lives in football up here are going to stand back and let you, some Johnny Come Lately tell us how to run our game and what’s for the best in Scottish Football..
Good luck with that Big Mouth…
The train leaves from Glasgow Central…
Rhodes ?
am hearin he’s no very good !
question mark CSC
Top Corner
It can be lovely this time of year, also many bargains at the moment.
Feels better to get all that fancy gear off.
Celtic Underground @celticrumours
Grier’s relationship with the Green consortium really should be looked at by someone.
Whit don’t tell me these guys are all in it together, shurley no Shirley…
Good morning CQNers,
It seems that Charles Green fits very well into the Rangers mould of arrogant chancers leading them.
When the dust finally settles on the demise of Ranger’s dishonourable existence it’ll be their move to go to court over the transfer embargo that will, I believe, stand out as one of the most aggressively arrogant act they’ve perpetrated in their sorry history.
A wee test……
Those emails again for those who missed it – Wouldn’t want you to miss the fun!
Might be a daft question, and don’t know if anyone has raised this already as I don’t have time to trawl back to check.
The SFA ban on ratners transfers was knocked back by the Court of Session because that option was not specifically detailed on the list of sanctions available to the SFA Independant Tribunal and Appeal Panel.
Now we have the SPL stating that in the event of a Newco / Newclub trying to get admission to the SPL, that all the teams will get together to discuss any sanctions against the potential new entrants.
Surely in light of the court decision against the SFA, the SPL will have to have a comprehensive list of available sanctions that they can hit (or not, should the vote go that way) the Newco? If they do not have that list ready in advance, surely les hun, erm, I of course mean any Newco, can simply go back to the CoS and present their case for getting (back) in with no (zero, not a sausage, hee-haw, bu66er all, nada, none, yer havin’ a giraffe mate!, pas de) sanctions
Or am I missing something here?
Cheers,
Ulryc
Good morning from Moscow, bhoys and ghirls :)
1st June tomorrow, rankers problems will increase like 4-fold, right? Financially, of course
Zbyszek on 31 May, 2012 at 06:00 said:
GG
Good Morning. All the best today.
*****************
Morning Zbyszek, the new podium is at 06:00 see you there mi amigo!
HH to ye!
Morning all. Rain and overcast in North Ayrshire. So, what’s new?
What’s new with thems? Do those emails make matters worse for thems? Do hope so/
Hamilton Park Races Thu (afternoon meeing) 7th June
A few CQN ers heading to the above race meeting next Thursday. Pay at gate. (£18 usually). All welcome to join us.
Great piece from Tom English, especially:
…they were being paid a king’s ransom every time they opened their mouth. I would imagine since this process began I have had up to three hours on the phone with Duff and Phelps which, at their going rate, is going to cost the club somewhere between £1,440 and £1,635…
The above point has been missed by practically everybody, D&P cranked up their fees unnecessarily. They did not and were not obliged to make so many appearances. In the end they even employed a PR Firm, more money coming out of the Creditors pot.
Keep the Faith!
Hail Hail!
West Wales Celt on 31 May, 2012 at 06:43 said:
Buy buy and bye bye as far as I am concerned. It would be worth it.
Cyrlu
Big Mike on 31 May, 2012 at 06:34:
…Green will get all the assets ground etc for £5.500. Surely this cannot happen?
I think the Creditors, especially HMRC will have something to say about the fact that Green proposes to buy for £5.5 million. It is absurd…
Keep the Faith!
Hail Hail!
Vmhan
New podium at 6:00 ?
That means my post to you at 5:18 does not count.
Zbyszek on 31 May, 2012 at 08:24 said:
hey mate. I think I spoke to you on this website some time ago :) Your nickname seems very familiar!
Interesting stuff from Mark dal;y, but to my eyes, it is all internal stuff between CW and D&P. I read Doncasters statement and it also appears that not a lot has changed there either. The SPL clubs ,instead of the board , can now vote in Newco any time they like. that`s is what will happen and then all the new rules will only apply to any subsequent financial wrongdoings, the deeds of SDM and CW will be consigned to history.
Stumbled across this, i never knew.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=31076
The Irish Slave Trade – The Forgotten “White” Slaves
The Slaves That Time Forgot
by John Martin
Global Research, May 28, 2012
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They came as slaves; vast human cargo transported on tall British ships bound for the Americas. They were shipped by the hundreds of thousands and included men, women, and even the youngest of children.
Whenever they rebelled or even disobeyed an order, they were punished in the harshest ways. Slave owners would hang their human property by their hands and set their hands or feet on fire as one form of punishment. They were burned alive and had their heads placed on pikes in the marketplace as a warning to other captives.
We don’t really need to go through all of the gory details, do we? We know all too well the atrocities of the African slave trade.
But, are we talking about African slavery? King James II and Charles I also led a continued effort to enslave the Irish. Britain’s famed Oliver Cromwell furthered this practice of dehumanizing one’s next door neighbor.
The Irish slave trade began when James II sold 30,000 Irish prisoners as slaves to the New World. His Proclamation of 1625 required Irish political prisoners be sent overseas and sold to English settlers in the West Indies. By the mid 1600s, the Irish were the main slaves sold to Antigua and Montserrat. At that time, 70% of the total population of Montserrat were Irish slaves.
Ireland quickly became the biggest source of human livestock for English merchants. The majority of the early slaves to the New World were actually white.
From 1641 to 1652, over 500,000 Irish were killed by the English and another 300,000 were sold as slaves. Ireland’s population fell from about 1,500,000 to 600,000 in one single decade. Families were ripped apart as the British did not allow Irish dads to take their wives and children with them across the Atlantic. This led to a helpless population of homeless women and children. Britain’s solution was to auction them off as well.
During the 1650s, over 100,000 Irish children between the ages of 10 and 14 were taken from their parents and sold as slaves in the West Indies, Virginia and New England. In this decade, 52,000 Irish (mostly women and children) were sold to Barbados and Virginia. Another 30,000 Irish men and women were also transported and sold to the highest bidder. In 1656, Cromwell ordered that 2000 Irish children be taken to Jamaica and sold as slaves to English settlers.
Many people today will avoid calling the Irish slaves what they truly were: Slaves. They’ll come up with terms like “Indentured Servants” to describe what occurred to the Irish. However, in most cases from the 17th and 18th centuries, Irish slaves were nothing more than human cattle.
As an example, the African slave trade was just beginning during this same period. It is well recorded that African slaves, not tainted with the stain of the hated Catholic theology and more expensive to purchase, were often treated far better than their Irish counterparts.
African slaves were very expensive during the late 1600s (50 Sterling). Irish slaves came cheap (no more than 5 Sterling). If a planter whipped or branded or beat an Irish slave to death, it was never a crime. A death was a monetary setback, but far cheaper than killing a more expensive African. The English masters quickly began breeding the Irish women for both their own personal pleasure and for greater profit. Children of slaves were themselves slaves, which increased the size of the master’s free workforce. Even if an Irish woman somehow obtained her freedom, her kids would remain slaves of her master. Thus, Irish moms, even with this new found emancipation, would seldom abandon their kids and would remain in servitude.
In time, the English thought of a better way to use these women (in many cases, girls as young as 12) to increase their market share: The settlers began to breed Irish women and girls with African men to produce slaves with a distinct complexion. These new “mulatto” slaves brought a higher price than Irish livestock and, likewise, enabled the settlers to save money rather than purchase new African slaves. This practice of interbreeding Irish females with African men went on for several decades and was so widespread that, in 1681, legislation was passed “forbidding the practice of mating Irish slave women to African slave men for the purpose of producing slaves for sale.” In short, it was stopped only because it interfered with the profits of a large slave transport company.
England continued to ship tens of thousands of Irish slaves for more than a century. Records state that, after the 1798 Irish Rebellion, thousands of Irish slaves were sold to both America and Australia. There were horrible abuses of both African and Irish captives. One British ship even dumped 1,302 slaves into the Atlantic Ocean so that the crew would have plenty of food to eat.
There is little question that the Irish experienced the horrors of slavery as much (if not more in the 17th Century) as the Africans did. There is, also, very little question that those brown, tanned faces you witness in your travels to the West Indies are very likely a combination of African and Irish ancestry. In 1839, Britain finally decided on it’s own to end it’s participation in Satan’s highway to hell and stopped transporting slaves. While their decision did not stop pirates from doing what they desired, the new law slowly concluded THIS chapter of nightmarish Irish misery.
But, if anyone, black or white, believes that slavery was only an African experience, then they’ve got it completely wrong.
Irish slavery is a subject worth remembering, not erasing from our memories.
But, where are our public (and PRIVATE) schools???? Where are the history books? Why is it so seldom discussed?
Do the memories of hundreds of thousands of Irish victims merit more than a mention from an unknown writer?
Or is their story to be one that their English pirates intended: To (unlike the African book) have the Irish story utterly and completely disappear as if it never happened.
None of the Irish victims ever made it back to their homeland to describe their ordeal. These are the lost slaves; the ones that time and biased history books conveniently forgot.
Global Research Articles by John Martin
“Well, the creditors can tell Green they’re not having his CVA…”
“Yes, they can. And so it’s liquidation-time and a newco and the stadium and the training ground and the Albion car park and all the rest of it that has a book value of more than £112m immediately becomes available for £5.5m”
“Result! To who?”
“Charles Green.”
The above is from Tom English article.
Am I wrong in believing that our hero ,Whyteybhoy , has said his sale of RFC(IA) to Green for £2 was wholly dependant on a CVA being accepted , and therefor when liquidation occurs it’s Whyteybhoy who gets the lot ??
It’s transfer window time ( tomorrow). I live in York, I don’t know any relations of Owen Coyle so I don’t hear rumours. I do enjoy the stuff we get on here and e-Tims but I don’t take it too seriously. At one point last year we were linked with about 92 players and the press missed all the important ones. Just to say lets relax let Neil do some shopping and improve the team. I would go for Rhodes though…
F1sh
I thought the same when saw your name.
Yes, we did speak here.
Are you coming over for Euro 2012 tournament to Warsaw?
How to make friends and influence people? I know… let’s tell them we are going to boycott their home games from now on. So Aberdeen, Dundee United, Hibs, St. Johnstone, and now St Mirren, are all on the ‘to be shunned list’. Along with Celtic that makes six. (To date)
Now, as a club they have shafted Scottish football for two decades, they have been caught big time… rather than throw up their arms and plead for leniency and in doing so humbly embracing the virtue of ‘mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa’ nope! Contrition is most definitely not in the hun vocabulary.
After shafting Scottish football for decades they want to further shaft society because people with morals and ethics that they cherish and value ask that justice be seen to be done. Rather than seeing penitence as a possible panacea to their increasing isolation they instead denounce the concept as hokey-pokey and view a public apology an anathema too far. Simply put, in their supremacist book, saying sorry is a crass sign of weakness. Their chronic hubris is what has gone them to where they are today and their refusal to see things for what they are, in tandem with their toxic obnoxiousness, is what will bring down the coffin lid on them.
Stupid! Stupid! huns.
Good morning CQN hoopsters and hoopettes.
At Prestwick airport waiting on our flight to Barcelona. Wee sneaky week with the rollercoaster family.
Dont be killing der hun whilst I am away.
HH
CRC
Paul67
“…the upside of expectations”. – or “optimistic” as Alistair Campbell would never have said.
Your pieces have been so good on this subject that it feels unworthy to introduce even a hint of criticism. I read the mainstream press this morning (the Herald – mea culpa) and Mr. Regan would not defer much from your take on the events of yesterday. Ironically flagrant cynicism from some hacks was evident regarding the decisions taken .
I hope they get their comeuppance but wishful thinking (“this is it” “they’re for it now” “today’s the day” etc..) is rampant on here. Mark Twain would have understood.
gallagher:
In the history of slavery the Irish and the Scot’s have been enslaved longer than any other race in the world.
Zbyszek on 31 May, 2012 at 08:47 said:
cannot, unfortunately. I got some family arrangements, that will make it impossible :(
You live in Warsaw then? I used to live in Glasgow from 2002 – 2010. but then moved to Moscow. The weather is much better, can you imagine? :D
celticrollercoaster says In Neil we trust on 31 May, 2012 at 08:52 said:
Good morning CQN hoopsters and hoopettes.
At Prestwick airport waiting on our flight to Barcelona. Wee sneaky week with the rollercoaster family.
Dont be killing der hun whilst I am away.
HH
CRC
Hope you and the family have a great time
Don’t drink all the beer leave some for me
for next year
M t
Hail Hail
yorkbhoy on 31 May, 2012 at 08:45:
My information is that Rhodes was/is a target. However, doubt is creeping in as to whether he is the one.
Personally, not sure about him, we could do better. Not sure he has the pace and could be found wanting especially in Europe.
Keep the Faith!
Hail Hail!
I was just thinking how this rangers saga would have unfolded if left to the MSM to report it.
Everyone of them this morning making out nothing was decided yesterday and it was an excercise in avoidance.
Thank God for Paul67 and everyone else who posts on CQN.
Maybe no Declan right enough…
HH
celticrollercoaster says In Neil we trust on 31 May, 2012:
Enjoy mate…
Keep the Faith!
Hail Hail!
Good morning from a wet Manchester.
What will today bring?
SPL to make statement on double contracts. Have they received any info from Admin FC?
Will they make a decision in the event of no cooperation from RFCia?
What sanctions do they have?
Most likely scenario is the RFCIA have given them some info but not enough. Further delay??