My initial reaction, that the outcome from today’s SPL meeting and votes on Financial Fair Play, was on the upside of expectations, appears to be well founded. All matters not relating to a Newco football team were passed. Clubs had the opportunity to vote through a process to allow a Newco access the league but it was apparent that there was clearly insufficient support for this proposal, making subsequent proposals to apply sanctions to a Newco moot.
I understand sentiment towards Rangers reflected the comments from St Mirren chairman, Stewart Gilmour, who said, “What’s a court getting involved in football for? The decision had been made.”
There is no question that fan pressure has been brought to bear on club chairmen.
This interpretation compares starkly with BBC Reporting Scotland tonight who, if I paraphrase, said, ‘If Rangers don’t get a CVA, depending on your point of view, they will either get “back” into the SPL with light or with punitive punishment’. The broadcaster also threw in the suggestion that ‘Rangers’ might get ‘back’ in without punishment.
I’m a huge admirer of Reporting Scotland but this was perhaps the worst 60 seconds in 85 years of BBC reporting. There was a decision made to ignore the real story, that no facility to get a Newco (not Rangers) into the SPL was approved, to ignore the outcome of several months of fan pressure, and to tailor a story that suits a controversial narrative.
Fortunately, it looks like the BBC will be back on form soon, but they really need to look at what happened today.
As for the CVA, it becomes less and less likely by the hour.
UPDATE
Having spoken to BBC Reporting Scotland’s Alastair Lamont it’s clear he has been briefed differently from me, which explains the contrast between our interpretations. This story is becoming a nightmare to report, and probably to read. Fair play to Alastair for being up for the debate. I feel much better about my favourite news programme.
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Alright guys, I’m flying into Poznan next Friday night and will be there for the Croatia match on Sunday, any suggestions for bars to spend Friday and sat night in, celt pubs of course.
Have D&P duped Whytie?
I think they may have done.
Jane Lewis @JaneLewisSport
#Celtic say they are NOT in talks with the #Dutch FA over a possible move to the #Eredivisie.
So Portugal it is then? Any reason why Celtic would have had to deny this “story”?
Mort
Kit
Here’s some bedtime reading for you.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1288180/
Enjoy.
ernie lynch on 31 May, 2012 at 09:41 said:
I never wondered because i did know about the Scots role in the slave trade but i didn’t know about the Irish as portrayed in the article i posted. My late father and my mother went to St Lucia, post my sisters wedding, to visit and meet all the new family. My dad took great delight in frequenting the ‘Rum shops’, bars/pubs to us, one in particular was called Scottys and upon enquiring as to why it was called such the owner pulled a ginger hair from his leg, laughed and proceeded to give my father a history lesson about the Scots in the W Indies.
HH
Kids Celtic Kit
Celtic Shop £70.00
Sports Direct £55.00
rnie lynch on 31 May, 2012 at 09:41 said:
kitalba on 31 May, 2012 at 08:55 said:
gallagher:
”In the history of slavery the Irish and the Scot’s have been enslaved longer than any other race in the world.”
Ever wonder why so many black people from the Caribbean have Scottish surnames but none have Irish surnames?
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Not exactly true; Montserrat is known as the ‘Emerald Isle of the Carribbean’ and lots of the people there have Irish surnames. St Patrick’s Day is a public holiday on the Island and their folk dances very strongly resemble Irish dancing. The people speak with an accent not too far removed from Co Cork!
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Barcabhoy says:
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Lest we forget in all the recent drama, a key revelation in the BBC documentary was that Souness received £30k. He in fact received much more in both cash terms and in the number of payments made.
Maybe a journalist could ask, formerly media friendly and always available Souness, why he requested multiple loans from Rangers EBT scheme 10 years and more after he left their employment.
The protocol is as follows
1 that an employee, or ex employee , has to request a loan, with a reason for the loan being required.
2 the employer has to pass that request to the trustees
3 the employer will deposit funds in a sub trust if the trustees approve the loan
4 the funds are drawn down by the employee, or ex employee, once a loan agreement has been reached
The questions to be asked are
1 what was the reason for the loan. Was it almost as if a template was being used so that all loan requests were remarkably similar. Did everyone who was employed at Rangers really ALL need home improvement work
2 why would Rangers agree to pass on a request for a loan, knowing that
3 they would have to place funds into the sub trust to facilitate the loan. Now remember the loan is never paid back to Rangers , it is paid back to the trust……..except no loan ever has ever been repaid.
Why would any business pay huge sums (£48million) into a trust if there was no business benefit to them. The name gives the clue as to how it’s supposed to work EMPLOYEE benefit trust.
What was the business benefit that made Rangers and David Murray pay very large sums into a trust for the benefit of Souness?
We have already had Billy Dodds extremely helpful explanation of how it worked for him. The business benefit for Rangers is that they could pay a contractual amount without paying PAYE and NI. Now of course that is an abuse and in large measure why HMRC found the EBT scheme was improperly operated and send in the BTC bill.
But why pay Souness this way. He wasn’t an employee. He couldn’t have had a contract , as he was contracted to another professional football club at the time of his loans being approved. It is absolutely forbidden for individuals to have contracts in football with more than one club at a time.
So if he wasn’t contracted he could not have been providing a legal service to Rangers, which should not in any case have been paid via an EBT
So just what was the compelling request for loans (multiple) that enabled the trustees and Rangers to provide huge amounts of money to an individual who at the time was one of the highest paid individuals in the UK
Remember the order in the protocol , request , pass on, approve , fund , agree, draw down.
Why did David Murray agree to deposit huge amounts of money into a trust to benefit Souness ?
What was the business benefit? What did a very wealthy non contracted individual , who hadn’t worked at the club for 10 years , do to justify this largesse ?
gallagher on 31 May, 2012 at 09:05 said:
aye – Scots also enslaved by Cromwell’s government. not in the same volumes as happened in Ireland – but don’t forget that the Scots fought against Cromwell too – and were ultimately defeated. After the battle of dunbar, most of the defeated Scots Covenanter army was sold off to english settlers in the west indies. the same happened throughout the period in both Ireland and (less so) in Scotland.
BRTH reply to Barcabhoy (they should be multi-tasking and posting on here too :)
Brogan Rogan Trevino and Hogan says:
31/05/2012 at 9:44 am
Barca
To answer your question, Souness either:
1. Had a prior agreement of some kind that “entitled” him to seek payment
2. Facilitated some kind of service for Rangers or Murray whilst employed by someone else
3. Knew absolutely nothing whatsoever about any such loans or payments and the mechansism described is a way of taking tax free money out of Rangers for the benefitt of someone other than the stated beneficiary.
It is also interesting to note that When Blackburn Rovers played Celtic in the UEFA cup, they had on their books, and named on the team sheets, at least 3 staff members who received funds from the Rangers EBT– Souness, Tuguy and Ostenstad
TinyTim on 31 May, 2012 at 09:49 said:
The BBC aren’t ‘selling’ the story in a financial sense.
They want to keep the story running. It’s acquired its own momentum and is a bit of a dripping roast for them. Daly will be following developments.
They will also be drip feeding information for three reasons
1 to maintain public interest
2 to help ward off legal action. People will be less inclined to sue if they suspect the BBC have more dirt to dish.They are a less likely to put forward falls claims if they suspect the BBC has eveidence to disprove such claims. At the moment people just don’t know how much the BBC has.
3 to gather further information. People involved may start to break ranks in the hope that if they leak what they know to Daly before others do there’s a hope the story can be told from their perspective.
Craigwhytesoptometrist
The main square in Poznan is where everyone will converge. It is full f bars, there will be 20K or more Irish fans, many of which will be Celtic fans, it will be impossible for you to avoid Celtic fans, Irish fans and Irish/Celtic bars.
Enjoy it.
Hail Hail
Roccobhoy
Ernie:
I just love it when you flap, go on make my day let me know what I am ignorant of and please do tell me of my prejudices, you accused me of them but you never defined them, now that was a wee bit naughty of you.
And if you want me to prove to you from, from govenrment records about the Scots sold into slavery, and a lot of recorded Scots slaves in the African Slavery archives, please just let me know and I try to dilute your ignorance.
You never did tell me why you hate Scotland and the Scots.
3. Knew absolutely nothing whatsoever about any such loans or payments and the mechansism described is a way of taking tax free money out of Rangers for the benefitt of someone other than the stated beneficiary.
I think this is where this story is going to end up.
WOULD-BE Rangers chief Charles Green last night called for peace talks with SFA supremo Stewart Regan to stop Scottish football lurching into civil war.
In the interests of transparency and clarity lets have a private exclusive behind the scenes meeting to discuss penalties Mr CEO, lets ignore all the new procedures…………………………………..
Its absolutely hilarious i hope this chancer gets control of the Rankers
Is Mise Neil Lennon on 31 May, 2012 at 09:57 said:
I remember a good few years back watching a documentary about Monsterrat and the Irish origins of many of the people, St Patricks day a holiday ? Obviously ‘the small islanders’ have a more progressive attitude than ‘the best small country in the world’
ifyouknowyourhistoryCSC
HH
3. Knew absolutely nothing whatsoever about any such loans or payments and the mechansism described is a way of taking tax free money out of Rangers for the benefitt of someone other than the stated beneficiary.
Think this also
HH
The Battered Bunnet:
I have a few books on the subject however you can argue with the writtten word, arguing against DNA is a wee bit more difficult.
Thanks for the link, now stored.
Kit, Ernie
Latest study on mDNA lineage of Jamaican population: “In line with previous findings, the matriline of Jamaica is almost entirely of West African descent.”
per http://www.biomedcentral.com/content/pdf/1471-2148-12-24.pdf published February this year.
And one for ol’ DBBIA
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16448411
Ernie 10.02
I agree with your summation of the events,and the tactics being employed.
The hype of a Nuclear event leading up to last night’s email revelation,hype exaggerated by all too eager Tims is tiresome for me.
We are so eager to see the execution that we are losing sight of the facts, that this is all just going along to Craig Whytes plan.
Daly need to expose the big story.
Murray’s corruption.
Rangers cheating the public coffers and it’s footballing competitors.
His latest revelation was weak.He could keep the story going with much stronger content.
IMHO
TT
TBB
‘the matriline of Jamaica is almost entirely of West African descent’
I think the point was maybe the imposition of surnames by slave owners rather than lineage?
LuxCelt
Indeed the Scots fought Cromwell, i think i’m correct in saying that he did to Dundee/Dundaigh what he did to Drogheda.
HH
kitalba on 31 May, 2012 at 10:05 said:
Yeah the story of Scottish bondsmen is so hidden from history that there was a documentary about them on the BBC a couple of years ago.
And they in effect sold themselves into ‘slavery’ because of their poverty. That was the point, the added humiliation and shame they and their descendants had to live with because of that.
Slavery isn’t about nationality, it’s about economic relationships.
The flag ceremony at Ibrox
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWT6383OxRc&feature=related
Cheers Roccobhoy, r u heading over, for that matter are any cqn’ers heading over.
You know rather than copying lots of posts from RTC on here folk could just read them at http://rangerstaxcase.wordpress.com/
The BBC’s revelations were a bit disappointing. Whyte wanted a quick admin period to try a CVA then newco. It didn’t quite work out that way – but where are we now? Green will try a CVA then newco.
If I was Souness I’d want an ent if my my name was being used as receiving the benefits of an ebt.
Uly
What do you play if you don’t mind me asking?
I am still laughing at the Herald story that Green thinks rangers will survive a year without football but worries about the impact to the rest of Scottish football.
Stupid huns…
Ebt,obviously.
Gordon_J backing Neil Lennon on 31 May, 2012 at 10:14 said:
You know rather than copying lots of posts from RTC on here folk could just read them at http://rangerstaxcase.wordpress.com/
The big guy at the back….of Neil Lennon on 31 May, 2012 at 09:47 said:
Donegalpaul @9.42,
Could you please cut & paste Barcabhoy’s post, as I can’t access RTC from work?
The proportion of income that Premier League clubs spend on wages hit a new high in the 2010-11 season, says a Deloitte report into football finance.
Clubs in England’s top football league paid some 70% of their income on salaries for the first time.
TOP PREMIER LEAGUE WAGE BILLS 2010-11
Chelsea – £191m (up from £174m in 2009-10)
Manchester City – £174m (£133m)
Manchester United – £153m (£132m)
Liverpool – £135m (£121m)
Arsenal – £124m (£111m)
F1sh
No, not with them. They bought Jet C and my part of business was sold. Left them on my 10th anniversary.
Searching for the new job.
Not on that portal.
Richie on 31 May, 2012 at 10:12 said:
TBB
‘the matriline of Jamaica is almost entirely of West African descent’
‘I think the point was maybe the imposition of surnames by slave owners rather than lineage?’
Slaves were given their owner’s surname.
It’s worth remembering that when you watch all those black guys on the podium at the Olympics and think ‘How come he’s got a Scottish name?’
On a per capita basis Scots played a far greater role in building and maintaining the slave trade and the British Empire than the English did. That’s the reality.
TinyTim on 31 May, 2012 at 09:49 said:
Apart from anything else, it proves that David Grier was still very much involved with the whole process. Despite his denials after MDs program was aired.
Lennon n
Acoustic troubadour me. Singer songwriter. Doing a wee festival at Tighnabruaich on the Fri into Sat then opening for Sally Spring on Bute on the Saturday night and potentially back to Tighnabruiach on Sunday.
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Gordon_J backing Neil Lennon on 31 May, 2012 at 10:14 said:
You know rather than copying lots of posts from RTC on here folk could just read them at http://rangerstaxcase.wordpress.com/
The BBC’s revelations were a bit disappointing. Whyte wanted a quick admin period to try a CVA then newco. It didn’t quite work out that way – but where are we now? Green will try a CVA then newco.
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Many many people can’t access RTC at work
:-(
Scotland and the Slave Trade. Two sides to the story
Abolition of the Slave Trade Act by The Scottish Executive is worth a read Ernie, it does not gloss over Scotland’s role in the slave trade.
The detailed history of the transatlantic slave trade is unfamiliar to the majority of the Scottish public. It was a period that lasted for nearly 250 years, affecting generations of people,but a period that is often dismissed.
There are books I can recommend if you are interested in both sides of the story Ernie or do you only enjoy the anti-Scottish side of the coin.
You are still avoiding telling me about my prejudices Ernie.