Jock Stein won his first five League Cups as Celtic manager (no pressure, Ronny) but in the 43 years since we’ve won the trophy only eight times, including yesterday.
There has been a bit of chat that the Treble is a bit easier since Rangers were liquidated, but, if you know your history, you’ll know that’s not really borne out by the facts.
We’ve won three of the last 10 League Cups and lost to Rangers once but the six other defeats in that period have come at the hands of the likes of Morton, St Mirren and Kilmarnock. What’s more, Falkirk, Hearts (twice) and Morton all knocked us out at Celtic Park. We haven’t actually lost an away game in the League Cup for over a decade. 25 of our 35 defeats since Stein’s five-in-a-row have come to teams other than Rangers.
Here is a list of our eventual outcomes in the League Cup, winners or those who eliminated us:
2014-15 Winners
Morton
St Mirren
Kilmarnock
Rangers
Hearts
2008-09 Winners
Hearts
Falkirk
2005-06 Winners
Rangers (November 2004 Celtic’s last away defeat in the League Cup)
Hibs
Rangers
Rangers
2000-01 Winners
1999-00 Winners
Airdrie
1997-98 Winners
Hearts
Raith Rovers
Rangers
Aberdeen
Airdrie
Rangers
Aberdeen
Dundee United
Aberdeen
Rangers
Hibs
Dundee United
Rangers
1982-83 Winners
St Mirren
Dundee United
Aberdeen
Rangers
St Mirren
Aberdeen
Rangers
1974-75 Winners
Dundee
Hibs
Partick Thistle
Rangers
At the 40th anniversary of Lisbon I wrote about the 1965-66 until 1969-70 period. Jock Stein won 12 of the 15 domestic trophies available, five Leagues, five League Cups and two Scottish Cups. We also won and lost a European Cup Final, while beating champions from Italy, Portugal France and England.
That we went on to win nine-in-a-row disguised the fact that the real glory era ended in 1970. The last four title winning seasons were not characterised by beating anyone substantial in Europe (notwithstanding the fact that we reached two European Cup semis) and a series of capitulations in League Cup Finals. The downwards trajectory from beating Leeds at Hampden and finishing fifth in the league in 1978 is evident.
Two inferences can be drawn:
Winning trebles is incredibly difficult. One slip, one bad tackle leading to a red card, and you are up against it.
Teams who aspire to genuine historical greatness never switch off.
We have a ‘never switch off’ manager. No more Mortons, Falkirks or Raith Rovers’.
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Ernie
While you’re busy fixing everything and keeping us all right…..the other night you took a quotation (that I had disagreed with and argued against) and posted it beside my moniker.
Any reasonable viewing of it would have thought I was actually the person who’d said it.
Careless cut and paste? Or shameless poo stirring?
Only you know.
I’d respectfully ask you not to do it again. Not nice. A tad dishonourable if intentional.
HH jamesgang
!!Bada Bing!!
He’s actually a decent guy.
He said a lot of people he knew ignored him after he joined us.
Said also that he loved playing for us.
Now, he has only told me this face to face in conversation at a sports dinner, so I have no written, documentary, factual bits of paper to show Ernie.
squire danaher
16:22 on 16 March, 2015
Big nan
Don’t think pressley was a Celtic player in 2004, and therefore not a teammate of J Kennedy
I think he was a WGS signing around 2006-7 ??
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Thanks.
Could never take to the man after the Hampden incident with JK.
It’s funny to see all the Dundee United players crying to the press. Maybe trying to influence officials taking charge Wednesday?
Never liked Jackie Mac anyway. When he left he told lies to the press to damage the club. Wonder if he regrets going to Wolves rather than staying and undoubtedly captaining Celtic to some titles (he would have got a game ahead of the likes of Paul Telfer)
To be honest, I think he would prefer the extra money
Big news in the Scotsman:
‘Dick Advocaat set to take over the reigns at Sunderland.’
Run for the hills, Sunderland shareholders and directors! He’ll want a Blankety-Blank cheque book and pen and you’ll wake up in three years time with your club heading for football basement hell, wondering ‘wtf just happened?’
It was blatantly obvious JK was in Serious Bother immediately after the infamous tackle, certainly blatantly obvious to anyone on the pitch who could be bothered to check out if he was OK.
To anyone who upsets Jamesgang, or is thinking about it.
He is at least six foot eight inches tall and built like Superman.
(he’s not bad looking either, but I won’t mention that on here)
:-)
Jamesgang,
I take it you missed his apology?
It was sandwiched in between some rocking horse poop and an image of Maggie t skiing in her resting place :)
The fewer player we have wasting their time playing internationals the better,keep all the good performances for us
philbhoy
Thanks twin!
geordie munro
You had me going for a moment. As usual!
;-)
Laters y’all
HH jamesgang
philbhoy-HH
Jg,
Sowee x
;-)
Phil,
See if this works.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/scotland/31901091#
Just before 4.30 minutes.
The DU shout for a penalty for me was soft but I do think it was a wee push from Broony. I just hope the msm temper their claim for said penalty with the old adage of “they even up over the season” because last weeks penalty never was in a million years. They’ll point that oot though in the post match analysis.
Won’t they??
Well played Bhoys one doon two to go.
Apparently the huns had a banner at Aye Brokes on Saturday celebrating a proscribed loyalist terrorist organisation.
Wonder if any action will be taken on this?
Won’t hold my breath..
vale bhoy
Thanks, but it was the tackle on John Kennedy I was looking for.
:-)
T time!!!!
“Thanks, but it was the tackle on John Kennedy I was looking for.”
Ooh err matron. :)
Phil,
Sorry. Thought you meant yesterday.
Tried to get it but clip starts at JK being carried off.
jamesgang
16:33 on 16 March, 2015
I don’t recall what you’re referring to so can’t comment other than to say that if I misrepresented your views I did so inadvertently and apologise for doing so.
timaloy29
16:33 on 16 March, 2015
‘Never liked Jackie Mac anyway. When he left he told lies to the press to damage the club.’
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What lies did he tell?
Monday 16th
I had a wonderful visit today with my mother, father and Marcella. Wonderful, considering the circumstances and the strain which indeed they are surely under.
As I expected, I received a lot of verbal flak from Screws going and coming from the actual visit. Their warped sense of humour was evident in their childish taunts, etcetera.
I wrapped myself up well to keep me from the cold. My weight is 58.25 kgs today, but I burnt up more energy today with the visit. I’ve no complaints of any nature.
I’ve noticed the orderlies are substituting slices of bread for bits of cake, etcetera — stealing the sweet things (which are rare anyway) for themselves. I don’t know whether it’s a case of ‘How low can you get?’ or ‘Well, could you blame them?’ But they take their choice and fill of the food always, so it’s the former.
They left my supper in tonight when the priest (Fr Murphy) was in. There were two bites out of the small doughy bun. I ask you!
I got the Sunday World newspaper; papers have been scarce for the past few days.
There is a certain Screw here who has taken it upon himself to harass me to the very end and in a very vindictive childish manner. It does not worry me, the harassment, but his attitude aggravates me occasionally. It is one thing to torture, but quite a different thing to exact enjoyment from it, that’s his type.
There was no mirror search going out to visits today — a pleasant change. Apparently, with the ending of the no-wash protest, the mercenary Screws have lost all their mercenary bonuses, etcetera, notwithstanding that they are also losing overtime and so on. So, not to be outdone, they aren’t going to carry out the mirror search any more, and its accompanying brutality, degradation, humiliation, etcetera.
Why! Because they aren’t being paid for it!
I’m continually wrapped up in blankets, but find it hard to keep my feet warm. It doesn’t help my body temperature, drinking pints of cold water. I’m still able to take the salt and five or six pints of water per day without too much discomfort.
The books that are available to me are trash. I’m going to ask for a dictionary tomorrow. I’d just sit and flick through that and learn, much more preferable to reading rubbish.
The English rag newspapers I barely read, perhaps flick through them and hope that no one opens the door. A copy of last week’s AP/RN was smuggled in and was read out last night (ingenuity of POWs again). I enjoyed listening to its contents (faultless – get off them ! – good lad Danny (Morrison)). I truly hope that the people read, take in and understand at least some of the truths that are to be regularly found in it. I see Paddy Devlin is at his usual tricks, and won’t come out and support the prisoners…
Well, that’s it for tonight. I must go. Oíche Mhaith.
Great news that the upper tiers are now being opened for Wednesday.
They are not really but thought it might wake BSR up.
eurochamps67-good news,if you can make it on Wednesday bhoys and ghirls,go and support the team.Might be because it’s not on TV too,£15 and £5 for kids,great price.
Great news that the uppers are being closed for Wednesday. Creates a better atmosphere.
That’s how ye wake him :))
Squire danaher
Survey completed.
Good luck to your son in his studies.
HH
ernie lynch
Thank you. Accepted.
Regards
HH jamesgang
Big issue is the loss of Stefan (and I don’t mean Bonnes :-)) for Wednesday. Will miss his energy.
Ernie
This is for you
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUwW108ITzw
HH
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUwW108ITzw
Time for this manager to go.
Great start – we beat Dundee 6-0. What happens next? Lose 1-0 to Airdrie, at home as well.
Stein oot!
hebcelt
16:27 on 16 March, 2015
‘Ernie who has won the Scottish League Cup the most times? H H Hebcelt’
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Not what I asked.
I asked which club holds the record.
Present tense.
I’d like to know what the record books say.
And what the Celtic Board have to say.
We know how CQN loves it’s lists. Well I believe we need a list of the best posts on CQN ever ever ever. So here’s my no.1 of my list.
1. Alfie flounces.
alfie noakes
22:24 on 15 March, 2015
NO MORE FROM ME
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This is NOT a forum for the discussion of views and opinions.
This is a cross between a pen pal exchange, knitting bee, dating site and an outlet for organised sectarian and political hatred.
Anyone ‘out of step’ in the eyes of the powerful clique who ‘own’ this site, will be ‘ganged up’ on, and subjected to abuse – why? – because they have the audacity to offer a differing prospective.
This site has no right to call itself CELTIC Quick News – rather a more accurate title would be An Incestuous, ‘ Rangers- hating, Labour-hating, Jim Murphy- hating, SNP- loving, Tripe News Blog.
I do NOT include Paul Brennan and his writings, which I find always interesting and informative.
2.
BRILLIANT ALFIE. Just brilliant.
MWD said AYE
Ern my bhoy my question was who has won the Scottish league Cup the most times, agreed that is not what you asked but it is what I asked. Do you have an answer? H H Hebcelt
hebcelt
17:26 on 16 March, 2015
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Scottish_League_Cup_finals
Squire danaher
Survey completed.
All the best to your lad.
Squire D
One for the boy: Leading Questions
Upper Tiers now open on Wednesday for any of you Celtic fans thinking of coming along.
MWD said AYE