Jock Stein won his first five League Cups as Celtic manager (no pressure, Ronny) but in the 43 years since we’ve won the trophy only eight times, including yesterday.
There has been a bit of chat that the Treble is a bit easier since Rangers were liquidated, but, if you know your history, you’ll know that’s not really borne out by the facts.
We’ve won three of the last 10 League Cups and lost to Rangers once but the six other defeats in that period have come at the hands of the likes of Morton, St Mirren and Kilmarnock. What’s more, Falkirk, Hearts (twice) and Morton all knocked us out at Celtic Park. We haven’t actually lost an away game in the League Cup for over a decade. 25 of our 35 defeats since Stein’s five-in-a-row have come to teams other than Rangers.
Here is a list of our eventual outcomes in the League Cup, winners or those who eliminated us:
2014-15 Winners
Morton
St Mirren
Kilmarnock
Rangers
Hearts
2008-09 Winners
Hearts
Falkirk
2005-06 Winners
Rangers (November 2004 Celtic’s last away defeat in the League Cup)
Hibs
Rangers
Rangers
2000-01 Winners
1999-00 Winners
Airdrie
1997-98 Winners
Hearts
Raith Rovers
Rangers
Aberdeen
Airdrie
Rangers
Aberdeen
Dundee United
Aberdeen
Rangers
Hibs
Dundee United
Rangers
1982-83 Winners
St Mirren
Dundee United
Aberdeen
Rangers
St Mirren
Aberdeen
Rangers
1974-75 Winners
Dundee
Hibs
Partick Thistle
Rangers
At the 40th anniversary of Lisbon I wrote about the 1965-66 until 1969-70 period. Jock Stein won 12 of the 15 domestic trophies available, five Leagues, five League Cups and two Scottish Cups. We also won and lost a European Cup Final, while beating champions from Italy, Portugal France and England.
That we went on to win nine-in-a-row disguised the fact that the real glory era ended in 1970. The last four title winning seasons were not characterised by beating anyone substantial in Europe (notwithstanding the fact that we reached two European Cup semis) and a series of capitulations in League Cup Finals. The downwards trajectory from beating Leeds at Hampden and finishing fifth in the league in 1978 is evident.
Two inferences can be drawn:
Winning trebles is incredibly difficult. One slip, one bad tackle leading to a red card, and you are up against it.
Teams who aspire to genuine historical greatness never switch off.
We have a ‘never switch off’ manager. No more Mortons, Falkirks or Raith Rovers’.
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In my opinion Celtic 69-72 were still a top five or six European club. We proved ourselves against arguably the best team ever in England, Leeds United. Ajax were wrongly given all the credit for ‘total football’. That was invented in Lisbon. Great side as the Dutch were, only Cruyff put them ahead of Celtic at that time. Bayern had six West Germany players in their side and again, not that much better. Stein wouldn’t have made the mistakes of Milan as we’d have been underdogs anyway in both the 72 and 74 finals. Those finals would have been close.
It has to be remembered that half the Lisbon team were still playing and young enough around then, with Dalglish, Mcgrain, Hay and Connelly added. These four would’ve got into the Ajax and Bayern sides.
Lisbon was the pinnacle, the greatest display ever from a Scottish team, perhaps British. However, we should never forget some fantastic performances and results throughout the following seven seasons, notably the Leeds semi-final which were the greatest games I ever attended.
lennon’s passion –
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News flash
“alfie noakes
22:24 on 15 March, 2015
NO MORE FROM ME
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This is NOT a forum for the discussion of views and opinions.
This is a cross between a pen pal exchange, knitting bee, dating site and an outlet for organised sectarian and political hatred.
Anyone ‘out of step’ in the eyes of the powerful clique who ‘own’ this site, will be ‘ganged up’ on, and subjected to abuse – why? – because they have the audacity to offer a differing prospective.
This site has no right to call itself CELTIC Quick News – rather a more accurate title would be An Incestuous, ‘ Rangers- hating, Labour-hating, Jim Murphy- hating, SNP- loving, Tripe News Blog.
I do NOT include Paul Brennan and his writings, which I find always interesting and informative.”
If only eh
Better mhen have flounced and failed to sustain their flounce but it’s a wee chuckle to send me to sleep
COYBIG
VP,
I’ve not been In the vogue for years.
I always steered clear of Ruggy, back in the day it was known as a rampant hun area.
From what I garner it has been infiltrated with good tims ;))
jobo baldie
20:06 on 16 March, 2015
Email sent
Kris Commons
League-97 appearances,56 goals.
Scottish Cup-13 appearances,8 goals
League Cup-6 appearances,7 goals.
At a domestic level that is stunning.
Playing in Scotland means we can’t compete at the top level.
I will be ecstatic if we win the Treble, the Europa League was of no interest to me as we hadn’t a hope of winning it.
Next step Wednesday and please God Hampden beckoning again.
Sipsini, tarrier aye but Im not sure about the tartan bit.
VP:-)
That’s Caesar in, he’s been on the ran for a couple of days…need to wash his Celtic top and scarf.
God knows where he’s been, I’m sure I saw a wee catwoman ambling down the road there ;)
iki
18:48 on 16 March, 2015
Just walked into the living room when I heard Gordon’s response, there is no way in the world that Peter Smith guy would try to blindside Gordon, not one of the press up here could handle the wee man, far too intelligent and not one bit scared of what they would write about him, the English press were wary about Gordon and some of them are actually good journalists
ACGR,
I knew you wouldn’t be offended with Tarrier ;)
http://www.thefootballlife.co.uk/post/113607597851/the-spfl-network-the-proposal
On TV and leaving it behind
Sipsini
I’d be asking that Jonnythetim aboot Ceaser, worth a watching :-)
GlassTwoThirdsFull
18:41 on
16 March, 2015
Aye, but there’s a new new one they’re bumming up now – Walsh?
No doubt weary Dave aka the new Souness is keeping tabs…..
*the Irish diaspora in the West of Scotland is mainly from Donegal. That is except Dumbarton where they are from Galway. The first Tribesman to relocate to Dumbarton came from Leeanne, where the movie “The Field” was based, was called Tom Walsh. Never knew a zombie bearing that name.
It’s not so much the quantity.
But the quality.
Reading-Bradford alone worth the license fee.
Anybody have an email address for Peter Lawell CEO ?
Swansea v. Liverpool like the game behind closed doors.
“Teams who aspire to genuine historical greatness never switch off”
I think the same is true of the truly great individual players.
In all the time that Henrik played for us (apart , perhaps, from on his debut) I don’t recall ever seeing him anything than 100 % alert and on it.
cowiebhoy,
JTT, is Caesars babysitter when me and the kids go on holiday, roles reveresed regarding (sox) his cat.
The differance being Caesar is a puma cat, while sox is a parody of bagpuss ;)
Sorry John;)
bournesouprecipe
20:34 on 16 March, 2015
Anybody have an email address for Peter Lawell CEO ?
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Got his mobie of you want.
We chat often about all things Celtic.
I telt him to buy bitton and ronny. And berget!
HH jamesgang
Anyone else heard the Steven Gerrard rumours?
jamesgang
I knew the question was just plain wrong (⊙_⊙)
p.s. I don’t think he has an email that’s why I can’t find it.
Timomouse,
That is a good piece of work.
My only challenge would be you need a decent budget for production values if you want to extend the reach.
Whether you like the EPL or not , ( I dont) , the production values are very high, and this gives them a platform to make more money from merchandising etc.
The other option I think the SPFL should consider is giving the UK BEEB the broadcasting rights for zero.
This would of course have some stipulations
– 6/8 games broadcast nationally on BBC 1 prime time per season, with the full high production values
– At least one live game every week on one of the second channels BBC2 /3 maybe even digital only
– 5 mins highlights from Scotland included in MOTD, plus a highlights programme similar to the Championship programme on Saturdays
How does SPFL recover the deficit, and make money – simple, they use the media exposure to sell trackside ads, shirt sponsorship etc.
Get in some top media guys to help lever the value of the broadcasting rights.
I suspect there may be those who would be cynical about my suggestion, but bottom line is look at the way the BEEB creates brands.
Top Gear is a prime example, whilst I detest Clarkson, his company have done a very very good job at polishing the proverbial turd, and turning around a brand on its knees.
BSR –
isn’t it noakesie@wahoo.co.uk ?
bournesouprecipe
I’m sure there are many firewalls between plebs like me and the great man.
You. Less so!
;-)
HH jamesgang
Celtic Mac
18:48 on
16 March, 2015
Paul 67 et al
The EC was straight knockout draw in those days so you played who they put in front of you. We knocked out Ujpest Dosza,.
*our first game in Hungary they had just returned from their Winter break, we won 2-1. After the 2nd game which we tied 1-1 thanks to an equalizer from wee Skip tae Ma Lou, I said to my mate that I widnae like tae get them in the earlier rounds.
True to form we did in the 2nd round the following season winning 2-1 at CP after being down 0-1 in the 1st leg and getting gubbed 0-3 in the 2nd, that was the score at half time as well.
We did well to bounce back year following year to reach the semis but that was the last hurrah in Europe as far as Stein’s Stunners were concerned.
So Alfie is off?
Doubt it, a new moniker with a slight change in style.
I read his parting post and he was sent in as the warm up act…I’ve not made my mind up which way I’ll vote and none on here will persuade me one way or another.
Here’s to Celtic and the treble. HH
Good evening CQN.
Absolutely knackered three days on the sauce…:)
Keep the Faith!
Hail Hail!
Sips
We know you’ll vote as Caesar tells you to.
No doubt who wears the breeks in your house.
The kitten heels however remain a mystery.
MercuryHeidCSC
HH jamesgang
I see there’s some debate still about Broony’s tackle on the United player for their penalty claim so here’s my tuppence worth.
Never a penalty. The United player puts his arm across brown which impedes brown from making the shoulder to shoulder challenge he is trying to make.
That also imbalances the united player who goes over laughably easily. Neither one of Craig Thomson little girls would have gone over with such slight contact.
Btw it has to be said that Bobby Madden , despite much trepidation on my part over his perceived loyalties , had pretty much a flawless game and deserves credit. There were plenty of opportunities for honest mistakes on his part but I don’t think there was one decision he got wrong.
HH CQN
just dipping my toe in to ask if the game is televised on Wednesday?
…and also to mark the 2nd anniversary of the death of alt country singer songwriter Jason Molina of Songs:Ohia and the Magnolia Electric Co.
Life can be a blessing but when it isn’t JMo helps soothes the curse.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zcEi1ur4-YA
HH
Late equaliser earns U20’s a 1-1 draw v Pars.
Tlwio,
I’m glad you seen the arm going up too.
Thought I was the only one :)
This is funny.
Jim Spence on Twitter.
He’s a great guy. Real footie man.
http://twitter.com/TheDundeeGaffer/status/577567035011522560/photo/1
HH jamesgang
Horrid Henry then – Alfie now – New moniker tomorrow……
jamesgang,
HaHa James,
My daughter is the boss in here, btw meant to say to you on Friday my bhoy is James, not as tall as yourself but just as witty.
Sometimes too much, a wee kick up the erchie sorts that with wee jimbug:))
Back to hunskelping tomorrow…my, how it wears me out;)
barrach obampot
Can’t be on TV apparently as it coincides with CL ties.
Would therefore undermine gazprom’s return on investment in terms of advertising this causing Putin to annexe dalgety bay to protect to russian speaking minorities resident there.
HH jamesgang
PS the above started out as 100% accurate.
Jg,
There’s some cracking banter on that gaffer account.
Dillon… Dilloff… :)))
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