Jock Stein won his first five League Cups as Celtic manager (no pressure, Ronny) but in the 43 years since we’ve won the trophy only eight times, including yesterday.
There has been a bit of chat that the Treble is a bit easier since Rangers were liquidated, but, if you know your history, you’ll know that’s not really borne out by the facts.
We’ve won three of the last 10 League Cups and lost to Rangers once but the six other defeats in that period have come at the hands of the likes of Morton, St Mirren and Kilmarnock. What’s more, Falkirk, Hearts (twice) and Morton all knocked us out at Celtic Park. We haven’t actually lost an away game in the League Cup for over a decade. 25 of our 35 defeats since Stein’s five-in-a-row have come to teams other than Rangers.
Here is a list of our eventual outcomes in the League Cup, winners or those who eliminated us:
2014-15 Winners
Morton
St Mirren
Kilmarnock
Rangers
Hearts
2008-09 Winners
Hearts
Falkirk
2005-06 Winners
Rangers (November 2004 Celtic’s last away defeat in the League Cup)
Hibs
Rangers
Rangers
2000-01 Winners
1999-00 Winners
Airdrie
1997-98 Winners
Hearts
Raith Rovers
Rangers
Aberdeen
Airdrie
Rangers
Aberdeen
Dundee United
Aberdeen
Rangers
Hibs
Dundee United
Rangers
1982-83 Winners
St Mirren
Dundee United
Aberdeen
Rangers
St Mirren
Aberdeen
Rangers
1974-75 Winners
Dundee
Hibs
Partick Thistle
Rangers
At the 40th anniversary of Lisbon I wrote about the 1965-66 until 1969-70 period. Jock Stein won 12 of the 15 domestic trophies available, five Leagues, five League Cups and two Scottish Cups. We also won and lost a European Cup Final, while beating champions from Italy, Portugal France and England.
That we went on to win nine-in-a-row disguised the fact that the real glory era ended in 1970. The last four title winning seasons were not characterised by beating anyone substantial in Europe (notwithstanding the fact that we reached two European Cup semis) and a series of capitulations in League Cup Finals. The downwards trajectory from beating Leeds at Hampden and finishing fifth in the league in 1978 is evident.
Two inferences can be drawn:
Winning trebles is incredibly difficult. One slip, one bad tackle leading to a red card, and you are up against it.
Teams who aspire to genuine historical greatness never switch off.
We have a ‘never switch off’ manager. No more Mortons, Falkirks or Raith Rovers’.
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A quick looky back suggest Madden made up his mind a bit quicker than some think.
Not to worry…onwards to Wednesday :)
HH!
melbourne mick
Everest is green n white.
Melbourne is green n white.
STV. Less so. (Worst of it my son always says I look like john McKay!)
But hey we’re doing a grand job painting the world in the Celtic colours of love!
Night Sir
HH jamesgang
Not having a go at anyone, but really disappointed at the forecast of a poor attendance on Wednesday.
We’ve just seen the Celtic lift the League cup, and play in an exciting draw up at Tannadice last Sunday. Now we have the chance to support the cup winners on their way to hopefully a Scottish Cup final and Treble.
If this is what it’s like when Celtic are winning and putting on a show, what would it be like if we were rotten ?
overseasbhoy 21:43
What does Ronny have to do to win manager of the month Winning every game is obviously not enough.
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He needs to change his name to John Hughes, say Scottish football needs a strong Rangers, then lose to them…
Bcw,
Grim show eh neebs?
And what about the missing thousands of utd fans?
Get along if you can csc
Tricoloured Ribbon
22:04 on 16 March, 2015
Petec,
I had very little sleep these last few days.Was exhausted yesterday.
Not enough though to keep me out of the pub.
Had a magical day.
God bless ye and when I come home we will get that long awaited pint.
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I’ve not been on the bus since McCafferty’s and a long time before, I gave up when I was seduced into the party drug culture, Celtic were utter crap at that point.
I’m not as true a Celtic supporter as those that kept going, religiously. All I do know is that Celtic is Good.
I cannae wait to buy you, and a few others, in the Horse and Barge, a pint and have a game of Pool, where I actually play the way I should.
TCR: I’m a northsider. Born, raised and still living very close to Parnell Park. I’ve been to Derry on many occasions and probably know people you know. My first visit to your lovely city was in 81. I was introduced to a group of girls as I got off the bus who all greeted me with “what about you?”. I’d never heard that before and I proceeded to give them a verbal CV! I felt like a right plonker when they laughed at me. I used to love Pangur Bán sessions in a pub just below Free Derry walls
Loving the ronny revolution but let’s not get carried away with this manager that doesn’t switch off nonsense. If hadn’t switched off against Hamilton ross county and st Johnstone then we’d already have 2 of treble in bag so let’s all calm down and see if we can get thru next 2 games with wins
andyr53
22:10 on 16 March, 2015
Good evening my fellow Tim’s.. quick one for someone.. where are the official pics that were taken on Friday night??
HAIL HAIL and Mon the Hoops..
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They want you to get the full Celtic FC experience. So you know what it’s like to be a player at Paradise. So they’re being held back till something big Is on the cards.
So those pics of you sitting eating your chips n curry sauce on London Rd will be in the papers 3 days before the next Hootenany!!
HH jamesgang
Jamesgang..
That’s a lie.. I have never ate chips and curry sauce on London Rd in my life!!! (I have however had a single sausage and a pickle).
Petec,
There will be no mistakes the next time.
In fact, I might take the train to Dumbarton.
I have a lot of great,great friends in Brucehill/Castlehill.
God bless.
andyr53
;-)
Paul67,
You have partly stolen my theme……..I think Ronny will truly bring back those kind of days…….won’t be Champions League ( that competition is now rigged for fat cats only ). We have entered an exciting time for Celtic.
Andy R53
“(I have however had a single sausage and a pickle).”
The essential ingredients needed to create a working model of Hitler’s genitalia I believe.
Sftb regarding crc “dunting” pot and kettle springs to mind :-)
Geordie Munro
The United fans were mostly “day-trippers”, who won’t be seen until the next big event.
But Celtic had something like 35-37,000 there yesterday………looks like we’ll have 30,000 or so on Wednesday, most worrying is the empty swathes in the Main Stand.
Maybe Celtic should have guaranteed a final ticket (if we get there :-) – to those going on Wednesday ?
I really hope the ‘faithfull through and through’ turn up and show they are supporters who deserve a treble winning team and not just a bunch of glory hunters who want to be seen at CL and Euro games.
Maybe the govan crowd on the back of 4 draws in a row in a league below us will get a bigger crowd than we will get going for a treble.
What an embarrassment that would be. But £15 a ticket and concession reductions is steep eh ? Esp after a league cup final win. Acht maybe just blame the board if we get a poor crowd.
I hope I am wrong and we see a late surge of support for Ronnys Bhoys. This will be one of those nights when we will need all the backing and atmosphere we can get to ensure the glory hunters get their day in the sun at a May Cup Final. United hurting, ref will balance Sunday’s perceived favours for United, Cifti back and Jo Hansen out.
Time to back our club. If it means that much to you ?
Setting free the bears…
Sorry, ‘If you know your history….’ think you’ll find that was Himmler.
Serie A
Might as well give the title to Rube now.A Serie A won before Easter .A real indication of a decline in quality.Essentially a 1 team League
Big Cup Winners
Many seats in main stand are Jock Stein Lounge and so have game as part of their package I believe.
If ronny wins manager of the month-radio shortbread sports department will self combust !
#stillcannaegetoverbroonie
Almore,
Ma da,God rest him,used to frequent Beltons in Donnycarney on his visits to Dublin from Clydebank.
Was in it myself.
Lived in Fairview for a while then always on the south side.
Great,great days.
My heart will always be in Clydebank though.Always.
God bless ye mate.
Tricoloured Ribbon
22:25 on 16 March, 2015
Petec,
There will be no mistakes the next time.
In fact, I might take the train to Dumbarton.
I have a lot of great,great friends in Brucehill/Castlehill.
God bless.
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Went for a game of Snooker with DD at the Celtic Club, BMCUWP said the G thang was Bald. The rest is History, it certainly was when we played Snooker, we even gave the Rest a rest. I blame it on the DD specials.
If you and DD want to do another Snooker night in olde Dumbarton Town, defo up for that, as you are likely to know more of the locals than me. Hopefully, CQN will have a night in the near Future, the last event was postponed.
b78 same with investor lounges hh
They can stick their manager of the month award right up their erchie.
I go by trophies in the cabinet.
Really enjoyed the game on sunday….probably on show was the 2 best attacking teams in the league….all week Jackie Mac had a rough time from fans on here “from people in the know” stuff you would never read in the daily rags. The ref had a good game far better that that cheat Thomson…..thought the utd fans were excellent supportive of their team to the end.nothing hunnish was in their song book…..special thanks to the Utd players for applauding the celtic fans as they made their way to their own fans…..looking forward to wed nite 2 down 2 to go..
Burnley78
The seats are available for purchase………….
Pete,
You can play snooker or pool all night bud while I get monkeyed at the bar.
I’ll know the oul Dumbarton heads.You better believe it.Probably at St.Pats with them all.
topkat
Aye mibee mate…….
Haven’t seen the Ranger’s end so empty ever, as when the Celtic paraded the cup yesterday.
BCW.
Ah. Not so good. Surprising actually as main stand is usually well populated.
Pathetic if we don’t fill the lower tier for a game like this. Esp after the weekend.
South Of Tunis
22:29 on 16 March, 2015
Serie A
Might as well give the title to Rube now.A Serie A won before Easter .A real indication of a decline in quality.Essentially a 1 team League
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I know you are well versed in Italian football.
Juventus, are they the equivalent of the old Rangers in Scotland?
I was astonished at the leniency given to Juventus in an away ground, in the Knockout stages of the Premier Tournament.
FrMalachiMartin.csc
paolosboots
I like to think of my tackling as perfectly timed. It is timed perfectly as far as I am concerned; for the recipient of the tackle, maybe not so much.
AndyR53
You are correct that Himmler had something sim’lar in the monorchid department but if you ate the pickle you could do Goebells
TCR: Beltons! It’s a long time since its been known as that. It was my local too, had my first “legal” drink there. It is now known as Kitty Kiernans and its off-license has now taken over the chipper beside it. The supermarket, also called Beltons, is now part of the pub. The Beltons were Fine Gaelers and the owner of the pub or a brother was a FG TD for longford
Bcw,
I’m hoping there’s a late surge when they find out its not on the box :)
Beg to differ regarding Dundee United fans.
Have a look at their forums.
We are classed as same as the Zombies.
Have a bit of time for the hardcore Hibs support as I know some of them and they are good lads off Irish stock.
Anyway,the Celts are the only show in town.
bada bing
angel maria 60ml
Tricoloured Ribbon
22:36 on 16 March, 2015
Pete,
You can play snooker or pool all night bud while I get monkeyed at the bar.
I’ll know the oul Dumbarton heads.You better believe it.Probably at St.Pats with them all.
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I wouldn’t be having that at all, ye got to play a game or two, who knows my own Son might be there, if he cannae drink he will want to play.
I’ll be in your team Everytime.
Oh Ronny Ronny,
Ronny Ronny Ronny Ronny Deila.
We are on the cusp of something Special, with players paid a pittance in comparison to the obscenities going on in the World of Fitba.
Almore
Paddy Belton was fine gael td for Dublin north east which took in the donnycarney area. Very wealthy family, owned several pubs