Jock Stein won his first five League Cups as Celtic manager (no pressure, Ronny) but in the 43 years since we’ve won the trophy only eight times, including yesterday.
There has been a bit of chat that the Treble is a bit easier since Rangers were liquidated, but, if you know your history, you’ll know that’s not really borne out by the facts.
We’ve won three of the last 10 League Cups and lost to Rangers once but the six other defeats in that period have come at the hands of the likes of Morton, St Mirren and Kilmarnock. What’s more, Falkirk, Hearts (twice) and Morton all knocked us out at Celtic Park. We haven’t actually lost an away game in the League Cup for over a decade. 25 of our 35 defeats since Stein’s five-in-a-row have come to teams other than Rangers.
Here is a list of our eventual outcomes in the League Cup, winners or those who eliminated us:
2014-15 Winners
Morton
St Mirren
Kilmarnock
Rangers
Hearts
2008-09 Winners
Hearts
Falkirk
2005-06 Winners
Rangers (November 2004 Celtic’s last away defeat in the League Cup)
Hibs
Rangers
Rangers
2000-01 Winners
1999-00 Winners
Airdrie
1997-98 Winners
Hearts
Raith Rovers
Rangers
Aberdeen
Airdrie
Rangers
Aberdeen
Dundee United
Aberdeen
Rangers
Hibs
Dundee United
Rangers
1982-83 Winners
St Mirren
Dundee United
Aberdeen
Rangers
St Mirren
Aberdeen
Rangers
1974-75 Winners
Dundee
Hibs
Partick Thistle
Rangers
At the 40th anniversary of Lisbon I wrote about the 1965-66 until 1969-70 period. Jock Stein won 12 of the 15 domestic trophies available, five Leagues, five League Cups and two Scottish Cups. We also won and lost a European Cup Final, while beating champions from Italy, Portugal France and England.
That we went on to win nine-in-a-row disguised the fact that the real glory era ended in 1970. The last four title winning seasons were not characterised by beating anyone substantial in Europe (notwithstanding the fact that we reached two European Cup semis) and a series of capitulations in League Cup Finals. The downwards trajectory from beating Leeds at Hampden and finishing fifth in the league in 1978 is evident.
Two inferences can be drawn:
Winning trebles is incredibly difficult. One slip, one bad tackle leading to a red card, and you are up against it.
Teams who aspire to genuine historical greatness never switch off.
We have a ‘never switch off’ manager. No more Mortons, Falkirks or Raith Rovers’.
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Good morning CQNers,
Happy St Patrick’s Day to one and all.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kp9Rnx2Sk5w
Don’t ban the press!
Invite them in. Welcome them with refreshments and prawn sandwiches. Give them excellent facilities and seats with a clear view. Allow them considerable access to players and staff.
Permit them to see first hand the winning of points, the hob bobbing with Europe’s Elite, the shinning glint of trophies and the happy People of Celtic.
In the words of one esteemed poster…
Braw just braw!
HH
Happy St Patrick’s Day!
HH jamesgang
By SydneyTim’s reckoning we should never have beaten Barcelona.
If his vision of how PL treats the football side of things us correct. He actually has the same outlook as PL. We spend far more on players than any other team, therefore we should always win.
Oh dear, never mind….
ALEX McLEISH will hold crunch talks with Racing Genk chiefs this week after failing to make the play-offs and admitted his time in Belgium could be over.
The former Rangers and Scotland boss was hoping to take Genk into the play-off spots, but lost to Standard Liege at the weekend to end their hopes.
And the ex-Aston Villa and Birmingham City manager McLeish will discover this week whether his adventure is over in Belgium, after taking over the club in August.
© Herald
Happy Saint Patricks Day
HH
justafan: Don’t ban the press!
I wouldn’t ban proper sports journalists.
Unfortunately they are few and far between in the SMSM.
The so-called quality Scottish newspapers, not to mention Beeb Scotland, are rapidly going the same way as the DR and Sun.
I don’t see point in inviting unwanted guests to our party.
jamesgang,
Just put a holiday in for today….what a weekend/week:)
Back to bed, my mad cat is just in and claimed it….it could be get nasty ;)
Just had a quick read back
keeping the faith
00:36 on 17 March, 2015
I canny believe it is 10yrs since the big man passed, any away game I went to back in the day big SG would be one of the first you would meet, hard to miss the big man right enough, total gent and great CeltIc supporter, a bit numb reading that as you forget sometimes, but cheers for bringing some good memories back of the big man
As for the speaking/singing mutual friend in the GH, I would hazard a guess it was PV
Daughter has instructed off “her” I-pad, hope everybody has a good wee day today, first dry St Patrick’s day for me in a wee while
Happy St Patrick’s day to one and all
Justafan if that is our Alfie then he has pinned his credentials on the wall. Alfie if your out there I apologise for suggesting that you were acting like a. Hun with your Scott Brown comments. So if your lurking might as well post again and agree not to agree. Hail hail.
A happy St Patrick’s day to all Tims wherever they may be.
Mine’s a Guinness!
HH!!
Sips
Sweet dreams.
You’ll awake with scratch marks all over your back. Remember when they were cool, along with nookie badges!
Personally I could ever dream about being adorned with such baubles of romantic prowess and had to settle for listening to the stories of lotharios like your good self!
CleanCutGeekCSC!
HH jamesgang
Sixtae….
Point is I want them up close (as all enemies should be lol) and being blinded by the reflections from all that silverware. Can’t think of anything more gutting for them. :-)
HH
Happy St Patricks Day to all on CQN
HH
Morning all.
Watched a programme about Ewan McGREGOR going around the world on a bike yesterday. Too lazy to learn even a little Russian (essential), the chump proceeded to condemn bear hunters who need money to feed their family. Grrr.
Morning all.
A Happy St Patrick’s Day to those who celebrate the great man.
Stephenofderby. I have never advocated that we spend huge sums of cash and end up like the zombies
I have said if we sell a player for 10m we give that cash straight to the manager
Getting turfed out CL by not investing a penny this year and then finding out that cash was there but kept for the AGM balance sheet brings a bad taste to the mouth
foster was a prime example. Sold for 10m but when we wanted to invest for CL no cash was available
Turned out to be a shambles then AGM balance sheet. Nice bonus for PL also
Wrong prioriites
gerryfaethebrig,
read your post on SG. i think i was at school with him. st ambrose, be about 47/48. giant of a man with thick black hair.
like you say, you’d meet big glennie outside fitba grounds all over scotland and europe.
if this is the same man we’re talking of, i am very sad to hear of his passing
teuchter ár lá
01:29 on 17 March, 2015
Happy St. Patricks day everyone.
20 years ago today I wore a Celtic tap under my wedding attire.
Oh! Happy anniversary Mrs Teuchter.
……
Oh how I smiled at that mo chara..
Hope yer well chief.
I see our captain is being accorded the same treatment as Neil Lennon and Aiden McGeady. The SMSM must really fear him.
It does coincide (purely incidentally, of course) with him playing the best football of his career.
ST,
You are right. Immense damage was done by the CL qualification humiliation this season. Sadly, it wouldn’t surprise me were we to not invest again for next year. Legia and Maribor were mediocre and could have been dispatched.
I used to firmly believe that we would always try to invest. Obviously not now.
A treble doesn’t cover up the damage done.
Macanbheatha,
Two actually.
Tony Millar and John Doherty.Or Busty as he is known to all.
Happy Saint Patrick’s Day…to one and all
San Patrizio – way down south.
Sky as dark as Guinness .Yet another biblical downpour..Worst weather I have experienced here .Old codger claims the worst February and March in his lifetime.- ” like Inter we are drowning- – that **** Mancini is as big a fraud as Berlusconi ‘
“On us thy dear children, bestow a sweet smile”
Happy St Pat’s CQN.
Erin go Bragh.
HAPPY HOOPY BIRTHDAY
to
MICKTT Jr.
Not so much Sweet Sixteen as ‘Sweet Jesus,what effin height is that boy?!’
And
HAPPY HOOPY BIRTHDAY
to
Miss DELANEYSDUNKY.
I nearly used his ‘initials’ there,but stopped just in time!
I hope you both have a smashing day.
HAPPY St PATRICK’S DAY to all.
TCR
Cheers mate.
She’s driving me into work right now as we are up before the buses and trains start running. I’ll take her out tonight although I’m not too fond of the 17th…..canny get movin’ for part time drinkers
Happy St. Patrick’s Day one all.
Keep the Faith!
Hail Hail!
TEUCHTER AR LA
Part time drinkers are God’s way of giving yer liver a rest.
Dick advocaat at Sunderland
Till end of season
TCR: I am 76 and first went to Dublin in 1952 and every year till 1956 when I started going twice a year(10 girls to every boy) .The 1961 was our honeymoon!
Boaby,
Had a wee spell off the sauce there for a month or so but had a go at it on Sunday and again yesterday to celebrate our cup win..
The oul liver taking a pounding today mind ye..
Dia dhaoibh a Chairde,
Happy Lá ‘le Pádraig to all.
Frankmarker: thanks for info last night re Shamrock Rovers game. I was talking about it with my brother the other day but couldn’t remember what year it was played. It’s hard to believe that was my first ever Celtic match.
Cloghercelt: great suggestions for Dublin in 1916. Get the email posted!
sydneytim
08:22 on 17 March, 2015
…….doesn’t bring a bad taste to my mouth, I’m afraid….I’m VERY pleased with the progress we are making with our new manager at the helm …… also, your jibe about PL is a ‘cheap shot’, directed at a CEO dedicated to Celtic, and doing a marvellous job …….. HH
1st re-post
BMCUWP’s
Ayrshiretim
MickTT ( phone a sickie )
Saltires en Sevilla
Catman
Murdochauldandhay
Midfield maestro ( c’mon do it :-)
The Berr ( Ian )
And anyone else that would like to join in.
Thursday 19th curry / beer night still on :
Details to follow ……
Happy St Patrick’s Day to you and yours !!!!!!!