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Great finals and the rebirth of Scottish football

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I am sure you have many great Scottish Cup final memories.  For me the best was Airdrieonians, twice.  My earliest memory of attending a final was the 1975 win, Kenny Dalglish, Paul Wilson and Pat McCluskey.  Watched big Billy and Jinky emerge from Hampden with the trophy after the game.

Then, of course, there was that huge final in 1995.  Six years without a trophy, Celtic were at their lowest point in decades and had already lost a final to Raith Rovers that season.  Beating Airdrieonians in that final is one of the most important victories in Celtic history.

By any measure, apart from Scottish Cups, Hibs are the fifth biggest team in Scotland, yet they haven’t won the Cup in 110 years.  Since then the Wright brothers headed to Kitty Hawk and tried to get ‘Flyer’ off the ground for the first time in history and Teddy Rosevelt made history by becoming the first US president to ride in a motor car.

If they can pull a good 90 minutes together today, Hibs might become the first club in Scottish footballs’ rebirth.  They have reclaimed thousands of fans in recent weeks and are proof that there is life outside Glasgow.

Good luck to them.

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  1. thomthethim CQN (genuine) Badge Wearer on

    Apologies if posted before.

     

    A reply to a St.Mirren fan ,who questioned Celtic’s integrity?

     

     

    From RTC.

     

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    slimshady61 says:

     

    19/05/2012 at 8:21 am

     

     116 10 Rate This

     

    CE says:

     

    19/05/2012 at 2:36 am

     

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    You’re right, CE, you are too cynical.

     

     

    Your posts repeatedly cast aspersions on Peter Lawwell and the integrity of Celtic Football Club, with not one shred of evidence to back them up.

     

     

    The day before RFC went “IA”, Lawwell unprompted offered his opinion that Celtic don’t need RFC and have a stand alone policy.

     

     

    You stated at some point yesterday that Celtic acquiesced to the recent delay in the SPL vote but have you any evidence to support that contentious remark?

     

     

    All of Celtic’s history demonstrates sporting integrity of the highest degree:-

     

     

    they stood up to a nakedly sectarian attempt by the SFA in 1952 to close the club down

     

     

    in 1968 they successfully petitioned UEFA to re-draw the European Cup to have eastern bloc teams kept apart from other teams, following the Soviet invasion of Czechoslovakia

     

     

    in 1970 they successfully petitioned UEFA to scrap the toss of a coin as a means of settling a tie and to introduce penalty kicks (having themselves just won an important tie by a coin toss)

     

     

    in the early 1970s they gave £100,000 to Queens Park to help keep Hampden Park from closing down, whilst RFC and the SFA kept their hands in their pockets

     

     

    in the late 1990s Celtic’s much ridiculed chairman pursued a corrupt and sectarian SFA secretary who had deliberately delayed the registration of a key player at a key time in a key season and who had then lied about it; a secretary much lauded by the MSM as the finest administrator in all of European football who, having been protected by a cover up within his association for nearly 3 years, was exposed by a dogged Fergus McCann and humiliatingly sacrificed by his SFA colleagues to protect a wider corruption

     

     

    in 2010 Celtic successfully pursued corrupt refereeing officials who had lied to Celtic’s manager and then attempted a cover up of the lie, again with the support tacit or otherwise of the MSM

     

     

    That demonstrates an outstanding commitment to sporting integrity and it’s good enough for me and tens of thousands of Celtic supporters.

     

     

    You should judge a man by his actions – in Peter Lawwell’s case, that is a no brainer.

     

     

    What are you waiting for?

     

     

    54(examples of sporting integrity) to 0

  2. We might have fell out at our birth but good luck to the Hibees today:

     

     

    The Origins of Hibernian – Part 9

     

    Birth of Celtic Football Club

     

     

    Brother Walfrid was doing a great deal of good work in Glasgow’s East End, through his Poor Children’s Dinner Table charity. He had called upon the good grace of his friends in Edinburgh many times, and did so again in 1887, asking Canon Hannan if Hibernian might play in a charity match against Renton in Glasgow. Canon Hannan of course immediately agreed, and the game took place on Clyde’s Barrowland ground. An astonishing 12,000 people turned out to watch the Scottish Cup holders draw 1-1. The money raised from this one game was beyond the dreams of anything Brother Walfrid had managed to raise in the past, and it is believed that this was the moment when he made up his mind that Glasgow should have their very own version of Hibernian Football Club.

     

     

    The Irish Catholic community in Glasgow at this time numbered around 250,000, and Brother Walfrid knew that if Canon Hannan could raise so much from the Little Ireland community of Edinburgh that was a mere tenth of that number, then surely a similar side in Glasgow could do much more. It should not be thought that he in any way wished to harm Hibernian, far from it, he appreciated very much the help that he had received from Canon Hannan and the St Patrick’s CYMS. His reasoning was that he could not continue to expect Hibernian to help his community when they had so much work to do in their own. He endeavoured then to copy the lead of Canon Hannan, knowing that the Edinburgh priest would do all he could to aid him in his task.

     

     

    Over the coming months several meetings were arranged in Glasgow to drum up support for the idea of a new ‘Hibernian’ in Glasgow. Some Irish Catholic leaders however could see some of the danger signs, as it was becoming apparent in these meetings that some of the men coming to the fore where business-minded with hints that personal gain rather than charitable aims were uppermost in their thoughts. Brother Walfrid however appeared oblivious to this as he pressed forward with his plans, taking everyone at face value.

     

     

    By November Brother Walfrid was ready along with his supporters from St Mary’s Parish, and they revealed that a new football club would be formed. While most wanted the new club to be named Glasgow Hibernian, Brother Walfrid opposed this on the grounds that it would cause confusion. He got his way, and Glasgow Celtic was born. The real men behind this move however proved to be the businessmen, a builder from Donegal named John Glass and Pat Welsh, a tailor who had left Ireland under furtive circumstances 20 years previously. These men had seen the earning potential of a professional football club, and their subsequent methods of achieving their aims was to prove catastrophic for Hibernian Football Club.

     

     

    Misguided Delight

     

     

    Hibernian though were delighted on hearing the news of the formation of Celtic Football Club, and typical of Hibs they made an immediate donation towards the expenses of forming the new club, letting it be known at the same time that anything they could do to help would be done. Hibernian continued blissfully unaware that the founding of Celtic might cause them even the slightest problem, after all did every Irish Catholic not see football as they did, as a means of doing some good for their communities? More important at this time for Hibernian was their first ever tour of Ireland; at last the men of Little Ireland were to visit the homeland of the fathers.

     

     

    Michael Whelahan was joined by a large party of officials and players for the trip, including John and Philip Farmer who would play a major part in the future of the club. Hibs first game came on Monday 2nd April 1888 against Belfast Distillery, with Hibernian running out winners by three goals to one before a very large crowd. Twenty four hours later and Hibs defeated a United Belfast side 4-1, Hibernian this time earning a standing ovation from appreciative Irish fans.

     

     

    One month later, Hibernian travelled to Glasgow to fulfil a promise Canon Hannan had made to Brother Walfrid, Hibernian would formally open Celtic Park with a game against Cowlairs. The match ended in a 0-0 draw but was a highly entertaining one for all that, the new Glasgow club benefiting greatly from gate receipts with Hibernian paying their own expenses. On 28th May, Celtic played their own first game, against Rangers, but as they still did not have a full team they leaned heavily on their friends from Edinburgh and seven of the players in their side that day had connections with Hibs – Celtic won the game 5-2.

     

     

    On Borrowed Time

     

     

    In the following weeks Celtic played several games and each time used players borrowed from Hibernian. There were rumours doing the rounds of course about the intentions of the new Glasgow club, but these were dismissed by the Hibernian committee who simply would not believe that their close friends would mean them any harm. It’s a great pity that the Hibs men were so trusting, as John Glass and his partners were already making their own plans and these included financial inducements being offered to the best players in the Hibernian side that they might join Glasgow Celtic for the following season.

     

     

    By August 1888, the Hibernian committee men had learned that the rumours where in fact true, and the cream of the best football side in Scotland would not be turning out for Hibernian, but rather had defected to Celtic and the riches being promised. Just as shocked as the Hibernian men were most of the Celtic committee as well, who had not been aware what John Glass and his supporters were doing. Even if Hibs had wished to take Celtic on like for like, they could not do so, the very being of Hibernian was that every penny earned went to charitable causes, Celtic had undertaking no such principles.

     

     

    John Glass had recognised the massive financial rewards that would ensue from professional football. The game had gone professional in England sometime before, and Scotland was about to follow, all the same the way he set about using the loyalties of the Irish immigrant population left a sour taste in many a mouth. Celtic were seeking to have the best of both worlds, they would sign any players they wished while still retaining an appeal to the Irish community. Business had, not for the first time, trampled over idealism, money had spoken and it was not the first time in the history of Hibernian Football Club that they would suffer for their own ideals.

  3. My first Cup Final was 1972, Celtic 6 Hibs 1.

     

    been downhill since!!

     

     

    hopefully Hibs, Blackpool & Bayren win today

  4. Mountblow tim on

    Good afternoon CQN in sunny Fife

     

    just getting ready to cheer on the Hibs in my Hoops top

     

     

    Come on you bhoys in green

     

     

    Hail Hail

  5. good guys treble

     

     

    Hibs/Leinster/Bayern ….

     

     

    with Leinster minus 8 …treble pays 10-1 ////have it

  6. My first ever game was the 1975 final, great memories. My dad, his pals and the Parish priest, a great day. All from Airdrie and all supporting Celtic.

     

    1985 and 1988 were pretty special too.

  7. Agreed Paul67, C’mon the Hibees!

     

     

    And good luck to the 30,000 Blackpool fans who have travelled down to Wembley, a big ask to beat the hammers but this team is very well managed and capable of yet another surprise result.

     

    V

  8. Posting from my phone at work. Would someone be kind enough to copy and paste my post at end of previous article.

     

    Thanks in advance.

     

     

    HH

  9. thomthethim CQN (genuine) Badge Wearer on

    My first Scottish Cup final was1956, v Hearts – bummer.

     

     

    I had to wait another 9 years for the roller coaster to take off.

     

     

    Moral? Enjoy every one you get, as you don’t know when the next one will come along.

  10. King Lobo:

     

    What? Not even Atletico Madrid? What about Racing Club? Surely they are right up there in terms of infamy?

     

     

    OK. Perhaps they are just base camp in comparison with the summit at RFCia.

  11. Lassie in work just now playing `Forever and ever’ on her I-phone and it’s sung by Gracie Fields, circa 1948. Later covered byu Perry Como.

     

     

    When did the Hoops pick it up? Anyone?

     

    HH

  12. One of the side effects of Blackpool winning would be to persuade Big Forster that he is better off developing with Celtic than trying to displace the second ranked keeper in the England squad. This would save us taking a punt on an injury ravaged keeper freed by Sunderland.

     

     

    Mon the Orange men!

  13. Paddy Gallagher on

    Rieperman on 19 May, 2012 at 12:19 said:

     

    Afternoon all,

     

     

    I don’t know if this has been mentioned yet but tonight’s Champions League final presents an interesting battle between sporting integrity and cold hard cash, but not in the form many would expect.

     

    If Bayern win the big jug tonight they will receive 7 million from UEFA but will then have to pay 6 million of that to Shalke according to the terms of Neuer’s transfer.

     

    However, should they lose, they get

     

    5 million as runners up but don’t have to pay anything to Shalke.

     

    As a wiser man than me once said: hmmmm..

     

     

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  14. St.John.Doyle on

    topkat on 19 May, 2012 at 11:21 said:

     

    The film showing them wrecking the toilets with the 2 policemen looking on….just imagine if an arrest had been made..the 2 cops would never have got out of there alive…..the 1st time i watched the film its shows near the end the exit door opening and about 5 -6 policemen outside,,,,,,mibees they didnt hear the noise within,,,,,,,,

     

     

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    I want to know if the club will question why they are paying a large amount money for the Police to stop this type of behaviour and then they stand by when they have previous knowledge of them doing similar damage we should get our money back.

     

    Then again they wont be back

  15. Hope Hibs win but my funds will be concentrated on the thoroughbreds Frankel and Pozzovivo today…….

  16. One great thing about Hibs being in the final:

     

    We can all continue to cheer on the Green & White.

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