“If the players choose not to transfer they will then be in breach of contract” said Charles Green yesterday. How desperate is this man? Rangers players, every single one of them, work for Rangers Football Club PLC, a company which come Friday will no longer employ them. They have a contract with Rangers Football Club PLC but the company is unable honour those contracts. Some players may choose to accept a job offer from Sevco, but Sevco has absolutely no right to intimidate or make legal claims on them. It can certainly not make threats based on breach of a contract another company is actually breaching.
The important question for you to consider is not whether Green is correct in his claim (he is not), it is why is he making such a statement? Why mislead people and attempt to intimidate Rangers employees in this way?
Charlie doesn’t even have the keys yet and it looks like he is already miles off plan. We like Charlie. Lots.
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I am of the firm view that Duff&Duffer are talking Craig Whyte!
Talks have taken place between lawyers of Rangers administrators and PFA Scotland in a bid to resolve the issue of players’ registrations.
The club was pushed towards liquidation when Her Majesty’s Revenue and Customs confirmed on Tuesday that it will vote against a Company Voluntary Arrangement proposal.
Rangers’ administrators Duff and Phelps insist players’ contracts will transfer to the newco, but the stance of the players’ union, PFA Scotland, is different, believing the players have the option to join the newco or to walk away if they have got a better offer elsewhere for either a reduced fee or for nothing at all.
There is concern the issue could end in court with a test case, where it is understood the SPL would attempt to prove they hold the players’ registration and they remain tied to Rangers’ newco as a consequence.
But Paul Clark, from administrators Duff and Phelps, hopes the situation will be resolved.
He told the Daily Record: “We are of the firm view that the players’ contracts transfer to the newco.
“PFA Scotland have a different view and talks have taken place between our lawyers and theirs.
“It’s a situation that needs to be resolved.”
Its getting better
Herald Sport also understands one of the investors in Green’s consortium is
Rafat Rizvi, a British citizen who was once on Interpol’s wanted list after
being accused of stealing assets from Indonesia’s Bank Century two years ago, a
charge which he denied. Herald Sport believes that Rizvi is investing £2m in
Green’s Sevco consortium, with Mike McDonald, the former Sheffield United
chairman, investing a further £2m. A third investor had agreed to put in £4m,
but pulled out last weekend.
No doubt “Hughie” has has own Castle in Yorkshire he can retreat to when all this turns ugli(er)……….
Haste ye back, banger!
Aye.
greenjedi on 13 June, 2012 at 10:23 said:
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Don’t be so rediculous.
They’ve NEVER WON anything!
The STOLE it all. :o)))
Hail Hail
“My friends in Celtic, tonight raise a glass to Celtic fans past, who never lived to see how this Battle of the Ages ended, celebrate for each of them.”
Genuine lump in the throat words Paul.
We Glesga folk often cant articulate our thoughts and emotions the way we would like to.but there a few on here who do a grand job on our behalf. God bless yourself and a few others like you that have highlighted this story relentlessly despite MSM accusations of internet bampottery.
True success with the biggest story to break in Scottish fitba ever.
True success in the face of Ridicule from MSM denialists and apologist
it’s Ironic that it took freedom FROM the press to keep this story from being swept under the carpet. Three cheers for timternet but wouldn’t it be nice if even one single one of the MSM incompetents had the baws to say to you guys “You were right, I was wrong”. I expect a long wait for that to happen, in fact I’m still waiting for the Sunday Mail to hire the hearse and the chief mourner and park them outside Ibrox for a photo opportunity….Maybe this week?
Brogan Rogan Trevino and Hogan – that mob are like a lightning rod for every chancer, shyster, shylock and snake oil salesman in Christendom. They are at least spectacularly consistent in that regard.
Now we know why Chico was so reticent in providing the names of his mysterious cadre…..
BRT+H:
What is money compared to the love of a nation?
Amazing.
Horse-trading and hard thinking will determine whether SPL clubs will vote to accept a newco Rangers in the Scottish top flight.
If five clubs are against, they won’t. Many imponderables must be factored in, chief among these Sky’s attitude to honouring their £80m five-year deal, scheduled to begin this coming season, if Rangers are not in the SPL. Clubs could be willing to vote for the new Rangers, with sanctions attached, in return for them agreeing to change the current 11-1 voting structure on the distribution of centralised revenues. Here we look at the possible standpoints of the 11 clubs:
ABERDEEN
The Pittodrie support, through their Trust, have been among the most vociferous opponents of a Rangers newco that would betray a “rigged system” in which there were clubs “too big too fail” and cause them to desert their club en masse. Their chairman, Stewart Milne, wants all this to go away. His club are £12m in debt, he is financing a £38m new stadium and would only say last month: “We will do what we believe is in the best interests of Aberdeen Football Club and Scottish football.”
How they might vote: Milne may be backed in to the ‘no’ corner by a support he cannot afford to lose.
CELTIC
They have deliberately said little beyond chief executive Peter Lawwell’s catch-all: “Our guiding principle is to do what is in the best interests of Celtic and our supporters, while upholding the interests and reputation of Scottish football.” The club that stands to lose most financially if there is no Rangers in the SPL, in any ideal world they wouldn’t want that but there would be a mass revolt among their support if they didn’t serve sporting integrity in the expected fashion.
How they might vote: A stick-on ‘no to newco’ because any other response would be commercial suicide.
DUNDEE UNITED
Owner Stephen Thompson has admitted to attitudes hardening over Rangers after they went to the civil courts. His mind seems to be being made up by a Tannadice faithful who are letting him know they will turn their back on the club if he favours a Rangers newco. “I was told that, at Motherwell at the end of last season, every turnstile had a poster above it saying ‘no to newco’. It was the same at Aberdeen. Fans are feeling very strongly about it. I have been sent hundreds of letters and emails on the subject. Some of them are from people who have been season-ticket holders for 30 years. I have made my mind up, which I won’t go public on. You have to listen to the fans as well but you have a responsibility to the club as well. That doesn’t necessarily mean I want them in. Don’t read too much in that.”
How they might vote: A probable ‘no’ but might be swayed with heavy sanctions for a newco Rangers.
HEARTS
On the line for around £600,000 in lost revenue if the TV deal takes a heavy hit with no Rangers in the SPL, money – including the £800,000 Rangers owe them for Lee Wallace – will dictate their attitude. Hence director Sergejus Fedotovas’ take: “Justice is very important but lessons learned are more valuable. Scottish football should not put all focus on the punishment.”
How they might vote: Certain to back a Rangers return.
HIBERNIAN
No-one has been more unequivocal about their rejection of a fiscal imperative to accept Rangers as a newco than Hibernian chairman Rod Petrie. “Fundamental to us at our club is to make sure the integrity of the game is not called into question and that the sporting integrity of the competition we take part in is maintained at the highest standards. It’s not a question of any sum of money in return for that integrity – integrity is beyond purchase. It’s important that all clubs can have a place within football, provided they have earned it in a sporting sense and also have abided by the rules. If we are called upon to make any decisions we will try to do the right thing and uphold the integrity of the competition that we are engaged in.”
How they might vote: A Rangers refusnik.
INVERNESS CT
Reacted angrily to Rangers’ Court of Session challenge to the SFA but won’t want any uncertainties over revenues when finances tight. Chairman Kenny Cameron said: “There is much still to discuss – but I hope this will bring certainty and closure to this issue. We just need to move on from this situation.”
How they might vote: Will want a Rangers in the SPL.
KILMARNOCK
There is no guesswork required to determine the intentions of club chairman Michael Johnston. “Members see the commercial benefits of having Rangers, even as a newco,” he said last month. “The clubs are mindful of a sporting integrity aspect, but the commercial benefits may outweigh that.”
How they might vote: Another certainty to accept any Rangers. Johnston has also cautioned against any further punishments for the club that plays out of Ibrox.
MOTHERWELL
Another club whose minds might be made up by their masses, the club’s proposed fan ownership model is dependent on listening to them. As they admitted in mealy-mouth fashion. “We do not believe we can separate the sporting integrity of our league from the sustainable future of our club – the two go hand-in-hand. Any decisions we take as a board are made in the best interests of the club with a view to achieving our stated aims for ownership and funding. [A newco proposal we would] fully discuss with representatives of our supporters’ groups, prior to making any decision.”
How they might vote: The rank and file seem to be pushing them reluctantly towards the ‘no’ camp.
ROSS COUNTY
The newest member of the 11, they are not financially dependent on the SPL, in whatever form it takes. Their chairman Roy MacGregor’s stance reflects that. “I will listen to the arguments. I will not prejudge. We are taking a calculated risk on our budget for next season and it was done before this situation. It will make no difference,” he said.
How they might vote: For their first season among the elite they could feel cheated if there was no Rangers. File under “don’t know”.
ST JOHNSTONE
Contradictory noises have come from chairman Steven Brown. Has said his club don’t need Rangers but that it would be a “disaster” if the brand was lost to the SPL. Then last week he stated: “I certainly will not let Rangers in without sanctions. The feeling from the people I’ve spoken to is they won’t let Rangers in with a ‘get out free card’.”
How they might vote: Will vote Rangers in with the right penalty tariff.
ST MIRREN
Another of the swaying brigade, chairman Stewart Gilmour has previously stated Scottish football needs “a strong Rangers and a strong Celtic” but lacerated the Ibrox club for their legal recourse beyond the game. St Mirren’s position will be determined by whether any newco vote is held before 4 July, when ownership of the club is set to transfer to a supporters’ group.
How they might vote: If the current board are still in place Rangers will be supported, if the fans group have taken over perhaps not.
5 probable “no”s
Charles Green has just announced the names and full identities will be made known tonight, dont miss it
Crimewatch BBC1 9pm
whoosh>yo! paul67,i can see the sun glinting off your smile from here.
yo! peeps, what gives?
managed to miss most of yesterdays news with being asleep off nightshift,but hey any news like this is welcome any hour of the day.
so, so ye mean gattuso aint signing,
so there is no list of 19 players,
so there is no pre season soiling of deutschlands soil…
hmm
im so glad to be here on this day and also raise a glass for peeps no longer with us that would be in full party mode.
p.s soo glad poland got the equaliser against the reds last night, i thought of one man on this fine blog and thought how happy he would be.
he had an even better night than me.
slan
aldo
Paul67
More fantastic stuff from yourself sir, keep it going.
I still worry about the hun in SPL next season, but hey lets enjoy the moment.
The lesser spotted cracked-hun crest has finally made an appearance, just waiting on Gazza and his fishing rod to turn up at the debtdome.
A great day to be living in Scotland.
NO NEWCO IN SPL.
Thom
HMRC can only deal with NewClub Newco FC when it exists.
When it does, Hector will take a look at who is in charge and may consider asking for a security for PAYE and national insurance upfront if the characters involved give off a sufficiently chancerish air.
Under new rules that came into force in April, chancer Ponzi types with a history of “phoenixism” may be asked to pay such a security upon starting up their latest start-up and can be fined £5000 if they fail to change their spots and actually pay PAYE and NI when due like proper companies do.
Hector doesn’t know who will be in charge so cannot say more. People have the right to set up a new football club and claim to be the rightful continuation of Rangers (what will be a laugh will be when more than one group does it). Hector can only deal with the facts.
As I’ve said before, a new club should not be given a place in the third division.
It should be allowed to apply with any other clubs that fancy bidding for the vacant place and then take its chances.
lynott67 on 13 June, 2012 at 10:38 said:
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Ghood stuff m8.
Hail Hail
favour to ask.embdy passin eyebrox can u huv a wee look n see if there is still AN AIR OF PRESYTERIAN SUPREMECY boot the place and even mair important WHO IS NOW SECOND BIGGEST INSTITUTION IN THIS LOVELY WEE BIGGOTED COUNTREE AFTER THE CHURCH O’ SCOTLIN NOO.
Just heard BFDJ and Andy Gray sharing a hankie on talksport,lovely start to the day.Suffer you hurting huns.
I know they should not get near the SPL but a part of me really wants to see them playing under a transfer embargo with their U19 team and probably getting relegated.
I would love to see how long the ‘We dont do walking away’ lasts when they are getting humped week in/week out…
The response from their support has been pretty poor in all this; but that’s what happens when you get handed everything on a plate.
Chef owns a restaurant,wins a Michelin star.
Chef gets lazy,restaurant fails and liquidated.
Chef opens new restaurant in wife name question-
Does he keep the Michelin star?
Doubt it and I would think the spl should be careful about condoning dodgy practises if they put conditions on transferring history especially by clubs who have wilfully cheated the law of the land
onestarmeansmorecsc
Aberdeen FC Board will vote “no” to newco on grounds of sporting integrity. That was made emphatically clear to me. Can’t see what could possibly change the Board’s position between now and the actual vote
bada bing, thats an alluring mental image,pity it wasnt a hankie but turns out to be a pair of hectors well worn boxers…..
they cant suffer enough IMHO.
meanwhile on celtic radio, frankie boyle and frank mcavennie shared a sock. :-)
Kayal33 on 13 June, 2012 at 10:32 said:
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I’m still a wee bit uncertain as to, what way the bored of CFC will vote ?
I mean, as far as I’m led to believe – all/most of the SB’s have sold out.
That would indicate to me that, any pressure that was being felt by the bored has now gone ?
I will counsel myself by, ruling nothing out!
I am led to believe there will be at least one challenge to a Newclub walking straight in to Division 3 from a team who has been on the waiting list a wee while and spent considerable money in their terms gearing up for entry to the SFL.
Green let slip last night that if rangers in liquidation do not get entry into the SPL it would be unlikely that they would be playing in Glasgow next season.
Think Airdrie United/Clydebank scenario…
Brogan Rogan Trevino and Hogan supports Kano 1000 on 13 June, 2012 at 10:01 said:
Would Teo have beaten Ali?
I suppose we have to remember that much amateur boxing opponents is populated by mediocre cannon fodder, even at Olympic standard. Teofilo was blisteringly fast, a true athlete, technically brilliant, with a sledgehammer right and a real heart of steel- but is it possible that he would have been lost in the density of fighting talent of the late 60s and 70s of heavyweight boxing.
After all Ali in his early career had to fight guys of the calibre of Archie Moore, George Chuvalo, Doug Jones, Henry Cooper, Sonny Liston, Floyd Patterson, Brian London, Karl Mildenberger, Sonny Banks, Ernie Terrell, Zora Folley, Jerry Quarry, Oscar Bonavena, Cleveland Williams- would Teo have survived against that level of fighting talent? It must be the greatest serendipitous cluster of ring prowess in Heavyweight boxing history. Can you imagine that level of ability in comparison to today’s embarrassing dearth of talent? As a list of names it almost seems unreal, impossible that they all fought in the same era, against each other.
In Teofilo Stevenson’s own time Ali fought amongst a generation of fighters of the calibre of: Joe Frazier, Jimmy Ellis, Buster Mathis, Joe Bugner, Ken Norton, George Foreman, Ron Lyle, Earnie Shavers, Leon Spinks, Archie Young, Larry Holmes, then Gerry Cooney- it could even be argued that this is a better list than the rivals that populated Ali’s early career. Teo certainly wouldn’t have beaten Larry Holmes. Would he have survived against Foreman, Frazier, Norton, Lyle, or even a Young or Shavers? Who knows. I suppose it’s all academic.
Ali is the greatest for a number of reasons: purely because of the level of opposition he faced, as the list above illustrates, with it being generally considered the greatest era of concentrated Heavyweight talent we have ever seen or ever likely to see again. Ali was the undisputed Champion of the era. It could be argued that if his four years had not been taken from him then he may well have never been defeated, and maybe even have retired at an earlier date- but who knows? Maybe his being the first man to win three Heavyweight World titles was meant to be. The other factors that make him the greatest are his incomparable genius as a fighter: there has never been a greater boxer with tactical awareness in the sports history, he stands alone in this category. His fight against Foreman re-wrote the rules of boxing. No fighter revolutionized boxing, particularly the heavyweight division, in the manner of Ali. No heavyweight has ever come close to his blistering hand speed or footwork, which was more marked in his early years- never more emphasised by the speed of the punch that knocked out Sonny Liston in their second fight. It was so fast that no one actually seen it, many even to this day say there was no punch. This led Ali to joke: “It was so fast that when all those folks blinked they missed it.” Probably the fastest punch ever thrown in heavyweight history. In terms of speed and technical ability only Holmes or Lennox Lewis are comparable to the great man- but would we ever have had any of these guys if it wasn’t for the pioneering spirit of virtuoso’s like Ali to blaze a trail into the future?
Whether Teofilo Stevenson was in that class is hard to tell, but as you say he is without doubt the greatest Amateur boxing champion the world has ever seen.
The Temporary Stand @TemporaryStand
Hearing Dundee have applied for the soon to be vacant SPL share.
I would doubt that the newclub will go unchallenged…
balhambhoy – I really think their NewClub in the SPL ship has sailed. Us, Hibs and Aberdeen are 100% No’s. Dundee Utd looks a 90%. Motherwell as the article above states are moving to fan ownership. Of all the clubs in the SPL they HAVE TO listen to their fans views. ‘Well fans do not want NewCo, overwhelmingly so. There is your 5 right there.
I have been told Ross County are also a 100% No as they believe Dundee coming up increases their chances of staying in the SPL by around 40%. 2 years in the SPL is worth more than Rangers’ money they never had.
There is 6 No’s.
As for Hearts, I would be surprised if they said anything other than No, although Vlad is a mentalist and he can’t be relied upon.
Paul67 et al
You can tell a Yorkshireman
But you can’t tell him much!
KevJungle – “1st Flag on the JUNGLE roof for LENNON’S LION’S” on 13 June, 2012 at 10:48
What i was told was that Celtic will push for maximum damage to newco (i.e. no SPL return ticket) fully aware of the carnage it will cause scottish football as a whole. They see what is happening as a once in a lifetime chance to implement an exit strategy out of Scottish football. No idea how they foresee this happening but they want out and see newco as their ticket.
Went out for a walk this morning met an old friend who I have allways thought was a closet hun he allways said he was an aberdeen fan.I said to him” we are having a party tomorrow” “what for he said ?” “to celebrate the day Rangers die” I said he went loopy shouting and bawling in the street that we are this we are that I hope Celtic go bust I think he is out of the closet now. H.H.
with all the news yesterday I missed who newco got in the challenge cup
ASonOfDan on 13 June, 2012 at 10:50 said
East Kilbride have plans, and funding i believe, in place to start up a professional league team when a place becomes available. You also have the likes of Spartans, Gala and the highland clubs who would also be looking for a place. I think I also read somewhere that the reformed Third Lanark are looking for a way back as well.
Brothers,Sisters…
We don’t need this fascist groove thang!
The smarter Orcs know that Div 3 is the best for all concerned now.
Everything else is Bengal Lancers fighting over the best bits of the carcass.
HH
I caught newsnight last night and the arrogance of the hun blogger spokesman was well.. typical hun. We’ve been punished enough he told us, really. He went on to inform us that if the clubs dare to impose anymore sanctions on them next season, then most huns want them in Div 3 .
Well good luck and good riddance and enjoy you trips to Peterhead.
Hail Hail.
Rangers have suspended renewals of Season Tickets online….
In a civil society everyone has their part to play,and in our ‘capitalist’ civil society,even the criminal has his place. But,when a so-called ‘pillar’ of that society turns out to have commited crimes on a grand scale,then what does it say for that society? What does it say when its most powerful political leader comes out swinging for that ‘pillar’,and when its deluded supporters can only believe that it has committed the crime of being caught,nothing else?
What does it say when the PR department of that ‘pillar’,the media,lies and obfuscates with the sole intent of propping up the ‘pillar’ at the highest level?
Take a look st the world we live in. It’s a mess. The principles which brought it there are the same ones that have brought the ‘pillar’ I speak of to its crumbling state.
So,the chairmen of The SPL need to set aside any monetary thoughts when it comes to mulling over whether or not to allow a ‘terrible infant’ back into the fold. It’s not just the integrity of Scottish football that’s at stake, it’s the tenor of the society they live in that’s up for grabs.
Allow a ‘newclub’/’newco’/”a rose by any other name” to waltz back int the highest level of football,with its bloated baggage of bigotry and entitlement intact,and a message is sent to all : this is a corrupt society,where the only crime is to be caught at it,bang at it,but that’s okay…we’ll see you right.
Is that what ANYONE wants?
Yes, I heard them say that they will go into Div 3 to punish Scottish football!
Um, who needs punished here?
I hope Div 3 rejects them.
celtic fc plc
registration number SC003487
Incorporated 12/04/1897
UNCHANGED &UNBROKEN since that day :))))))
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I await with interest to ask the huns If & when NEWCLUB gets off the ground what is the registration number of said NEWCLUB and what WAS the registration number of DEADCLUB rfc
ME THINKS THEY WILL BE DIFFERENT SIMPLES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
HAIL HAIL
RogueLeader,
Wonder if anyone actually bought one?