I know what you’re thinking. After the media heavyweights told you, on the day Neil Lennon resigned from Celtic, that he was going because he was unhappy with the amount of money he had to spend, pitching up at Bolton Wanderers is a bit curious. What you were told that day was nonsense, deliberately headlined to undermine Celtic.
Neil had been in the shop window since the Everton job came up in May 2013 and had long decided he wanted a crack at managing in England before the end of last season.
On paper, the Bolton job looks daunting. The club are bottom of the second tier of English football, while those immediately above them, Blackpool, Fulham, Wigan and Birmingham, like Bolton have recently had Premier League experience. It’s early enough in the season that survival is a reasonable expectation, but Neil will know little about the squad he takes over, or about their ability to step up.
Taking this job is a huge risk to an accomplished CV but so is spending an extended period on the side-lines as an out-of-work manager. Whatever the reasons he didn’t land a better job over the summer, Neil is a better manager than the English clubs appear to believe. He’ll get Bolton organised and picking up points against teams with better players, just as he did regularly in Europe with Celtic.
In other news many of the same media heavyweights referred to above today report Arsenal are preparing a bid for a Celtic player, in January. After selling us the same story that the same player would be subject to the same bid back in August.
It’s as though they have space to fill on the sports pages and there’re not been a lot of football recently.
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bloody hell ,
its loads of tory jobbies night.
Celtic are a football club that have become a business.
A business that is drowning slowly but surely, the currents-current suits in the boardroom are seeing to that.
HH
St stivs
Bad form
macjay1 for Neil Lennon
22:21 on
13 October, 2014
Captain Beefheart
22:09 on
13 October, 2014
Has any Celtic employee complained on a Celtic forum?
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Precisely.
What right does any external group have to interfere with my working conditions?
Is this an attempt to “unionise?”
If the wage increase is implemented,how would this impact existing employees?
Would downsizing be implemented?
Would there be restrictions imposed increasing future staff numbers?
The “living wage”………….same for a a 21 year old as a widow with a number of mouths to feed and for those with a second job.
A ludicrous concept.One size fits all.
A Celtic Trust power play.
No more ,no less.
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I have to say that I find this view and others like it ‘amazing’ – and not in a good way.
Some allegations about those of us who advocate the living wage as being patronising middle class types. Yet surely to then go on and assume that you’re in a position to determine who needs or deserves the aforementioned wage is the absolute definition of ‘patronising’.
Might the 21 year old be one of the many young carers who along with their older counterparts make up an invisible backbone of care provision in Scotland today?
Might the 21 year old be a single parent struggling to make their way in life?
Might the widow be in receipt of insurance policies that soften the blow of her loss?
Do line managers expect less professionalism from the 21 y/o as they’re to be paid less?
I don’t know. But I can’t know and shouldn’t know. Nor should the system. It should treat people equally, regardless of age, race or religion. And it should at least guarantee a living wage cos when it’s not paid it’s the taxpayers who make up the difference in any case.
‘Now kings will rule and the poor will toil
And tear their hands as they tear the soil
But a day will come in this dawning age
When an honest man sees an honest wage’
Usually on here I read stuff that I think is so in keeping with the ethos and history and spirit of our club. Sometimes less so. On this, much less so.
Night Timdom!
Up the rebs!
HH jamesgang
hun skelper
23:20 on
13 October, 2014
celtic really dont have to pay him those amounts,
he is not worth it.
i was interested in a hue and cry regarding the Water companies over the weekend, and rises to their CEO’s.
The highest paid was £480k. (half of PL)
the company he runs had turnover of £1.3bn. (25 x celtic )
saint stivs
23:28 on 13 October, 2014
What does Lawwell do day to day for Celtic ?
How much do we pay him ?
I have been reading CQN for a decade.
I was drawn to it for the analysis of Fitba, particularly the political economy of the game in Scotland.
It was clear to all back then that the Mints strategy was wilting and had no long term viability. It was examined and discussed on here from MON’s last year and Gordon Strachans first year in charge. It was OBVIOUS to everyone what was going to happen in Govan….. But looked what really happened….
The last year of Gordon Strachans reign, the Tony Mowbray season, and the first season with Neil Lennon….. Refereeing decisions that ensured the cash flow kept them on life support….. The cash flow to support a knight of the realm…
If it was obvious to anyone on here…. It was obvious to the PLC.
Thats what really annoys me.
The media I expect to be economical with the truth….
Those three years made a mockery of professional football in Scotland…
I would go as far it made a mockery of all of us.
shorttermmemories csc
day to day he plans the downsizing.
and gets paid £900k for it.
saint stivs
23:31 on 13 October, 2014
So you nothing about his job then day to day just like most supporters and like most of us you don’t know if he’s worth it, i don’t blame anybody for making as much money as they can in there job
PJBhoynyc
Even the good Dr. John mentioned the dossier, then it was forgotten about, Mmmmm
CFC not PLC
HH
coneybhoy,
I’m only an engineer and like Petec would say “I know nothing”.
My brother on the other hand has done remarkabley well for himself in the business world, he is what is known as a slaughter man, cleanses companies of time wasters.
I’ve no problem with his recourse as I see it daily where I work… “Lazy hun bassas”.
Companies need to make a profit or all the workers suffer.
Back to the point…Celtic were founded on a charitable basis and for not to pay the living wage Is a sad indigment on our club.HH
lol.
what mytserious hard work do you think the ceo does that no one else could do ?
he is not worth it.
my boss in a real big company is worth it, PL is below average for a CEO, and over paid for the size of the company.
why havnt arsenal or others been back in for him ?
he is the new desmond white.
The Word oan the Street..
“Glasgow Celtic, is One of the Best Run..n.. Financially Secure Fitba’ Clubs in
EUROPE.”
So..
Along Come a Bunch of Liberal Celtic Supporters..
Who Wanna… Interfere wi the Celtic Management Wage Structure..
well.Folks..that is No Clever..ye nevah DARE mess wi a Fellow’s Monetary Stipend.
It is Guaranteed tae start a real Ruckus.
No..It is Jist Plain Foolish..
Why Dae ye wanna Mess wi a good going Concern?
Sure..
Mr.Lawwell is well Paid..
n .. Celtic’s Very Secure Financial Health, is a Trew reflection of
Mr. Peter’s .. Bizness…. Acumen..
No.. fellahs ..
Ye nevah evah mess wi Perfection..
Celtic, hiv a guid Thing Goin.. everything in the Celtic Financial Garden is.. Copacetic.
Leave it Be..
Noo Ye Know..
Kojo
Still,Laughin’
Indictment even…this tablet is taking the pash out of me :((
The Exiled Tim
Indeed.
And do you remember when they wanted to delay a match due to their run in Europe that ended with carnage in Manchester?
Peter Lawell made his objections on the grounds of ‘sporting integrity’.
In retrospect I view that remark as an ironic veiled threat….
They knew….
Only super pally’s failure to qualify made the game a bogey…
While there is a lot of talk of minimum wag and living wage….
In a world of corrupt bankers and Glass Steagall being blown out the water, maybe time for a maximum wage… :0)
Pulls pin and walks away….
Bobby you suggestively put a whole lot of words in my mouth (he says suggestively).
CQN? Some fine people. Has problems with diversity though.
Kojo,
Yep, we are financially sound but the team on the park is not sound, the poorest I’ve seen in a long time.
Being a tv tim like yourself it’s easy to opinionate, going to watch it isn’t easy on the eye or the wallet.
PJBhoynyc
Well remember.
I also know for as much as I can say fact, FACT even, had they not trashed Manchester, we would both be playing in england today., golf course gossip.
Sometimes things are best left unsaid, lest we are accused of being huns >}
CFC not PLC
HH
Sleep well Timland
Take care and god bless.
diversity,
brilliant dancers. nae problems with that.
good luck to him, but no doubt the Scotrtish press will still keep an eye open for any possible bad news about him
sipsini
And if we were to apply the rules of capitalist thatcher-nomics that some do on here you would therefore withdraw you support and monies from said venture who would suffer accordingly and downsize still further.
(Which would be Ironic given the ‘back ronni’ clarion calls made my the same Thatcherites!)
Except you don’t and won’t cos you’re faithful to your team.
Inconsistent in their arguments IMHO.
Night Timdom.
HH jamesgang
Jamesgang,
Just a bit pissed aft today. Night big chap.HH
PjBhoy
Correct.Pal. the Old ..Noo Departed .. but.. Much Lamented..
Here in the U.S..
The Glass Seagall Act..
Once it wiz Repealed ,in 1999… by the Clinton Administration
. The Liberal.. Clinton regime.. goat roon tae
Getting rid of Maist of the Ither.. Common Sensical…Financial Restraints.. re The Mortgage Industry
Like.. Obliterating the Banking Practice of “Red Lining”
(A Very Sensible Practice.)
Clinton n his Merry Band of Financial Dilettantes..in the Justice dept..
Now made It Possble tae HELP the Poor n Downtrodden..
by allowing Folk Who Could Not Possibly hiv possibly Qualified for a Home Mortgage,under the Now departed Financial restraints…. the Ability tae Noo Do So..
Well..the Poor n Downtrodden Goat Thur Mortgages..
N..
We… Goat the Hellish WORLD WIDE Depression.. which is Still Lingering.. Seven Long Year’s Later..
Ah tell ye,pal
Liberals ur a Bunch o’ Whackos…Na.. Ah tak that Back..
the Liberal Policy Makers, are far from being Wacko..
its
The Goddamned Liberal Voters.. Who Pit those Liberal No good Son o A Lady Dug
Politicians, In Power.
Nice Chatting Pal..
Kojo
Still,Laughin’
Gotta Fly.. Sy
Seeya,
Kojo
Still,Laughin’
Reading back on this missive on how the Celtic board are above criticism. No point in elaborating as I tried earlier. We will just have to accept the fact that 55% of celtic supporters are wankers
Mags,
You certainly don’t hold back mate.
If kojo had been born a 100 years ago in Germany he would have been in the SS.
m6bhoy
23:13 on
13 October, 2014
Auldheid 21:34 on 13 October, 2014
M6bhoy
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Was it club policy to waste £2m. on buying out Tony Mowbray’s contract then sack him less then ten months later and paying him and his management team a hefty compensation?
Of course not. TM is not the first manager in football faithfully appointed then sacked. Ask David Moyes.
Is it club policy to drive supporters out of the stadium in the tens of thousands?
Of course not and there are many reasons for crowds falling outside Celtic’s power to address in a sustainable manner.
Is it club policy for the team to play in front of a half-empty CP for most domestic matches?
See above
Is it club policy to deny the new manager the funds to strengthen the team to get into the CL group stage and lose up £20m, in the process?
How much is needed to be spent to guarantee a £20M return every season? Even when we did spend big there was no guarantee.
Is it club policy to squander millions on duds like Bangura, Balde, Pukki and Boerighter?
I doubt it but the number of players signed who make up the regular first team squad exceeds the duds, although how we managed to sign such POOR duds is something that needs looked at.
Is it club policy to have five loanees on our books thus undermining the new manager’s credibility after he said he was not in favour of signing loan players?
I can see the sense given your previous complaint of the loan approach. The manager stated his preference, but he has to accept the reasons. It is still disappointing that the loans have not all set the heather on fire but at least we have not signed them.
Is it club policy to lie to the fans?
Events change from one week to the next. What is said in week 1 can change as a result of changing circumstances 4 weeks later. That does not make what is said in week 1 a lie by week 4. Having said that a proper communication strategy would prevent the perception of being lied to , assuming folk listen to reasons
Jeez, I could go on and on but life’s just too short. Prey tell me what aspect of club policy is he successfully implementing as it’s sure as hell not registering with me and thousands of others?
It is Celtic’s policy to be a financially well managed club, just as it was with Fergus. It is unpopular but that is the policy and PL meets its demands. Apart from which its only a couple of months since we were all proud to walk up the new Celtic Way and cheers the champions
There’s more than enough above to justify sacking PL for being incompetent never mind cutting his salary but that won’t happen as he’s just another fat suit with his nose in the trough and as long as he does his master’s bidding, he’s bullet proof.
There may well be an ethical reason for the club paying a living wage but first and foremost it comes down to reducing the gap between the highest earners and those at the bottom. That as numerous studies have shown makes for good business where all employees feel valued and work better.
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I thought that it was ethics and our “ethos” that was driving the Living wage resolution not an attempt to reduce the gap between the highest earners (which includes footballers btw ) and the lowest.
Why exclude the footballers? They are well paid and often fail to deliver so why exclude them contributing?
A living wage has to be fair to those receiving it and those funding it if it is being adopted on ethical grounds, which is the basis of the resolution, not top level wage reduction.
Margaret McGill
00:35 on
14 October, 2014
If kojo had been born a 100 years ago in Germany he would have been in the SS.
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Nonsense.
He would have been shot as a rival to Der Fuhrer. :)
When discussing celtic there is a unit of time called a “Mowbray” … About 10 months.
Ronny will get a Mowbray
Lenny had almost 4 Mowbrays!
The living wage and res 12 will need 2 Mowbrays I.e. At least one more Mowbray before ultimately being justified as being Mowbried in about another Mowbray.
The executive bonus time scale is a few nanomowbries
23:25 on
13 October, 2014
St stivs
Bad form
jamesgang
23:27 on
13 October, 2014
macjay1 for Neil Lennon
22:21 on
13 October, 2014
Captain Beefheart
22:09 on
13 October, 2014
Has any Celtic employee complained on a Celtic forum?
——————————————————————————————————————-
Precisely.
What right does any external group have to interfere with my working conditions?
Is this an attempt to “unionise?”
If the wage increase is implemented,how would this impact existing employees?
Would downsizing be implemented?
Would there be restrictions imposed increasing future staff numbers?
The “living wage”………….same for a a 21 year old as a widow with a number of mouths to feed and for those with a second job.
A ludicrous concept.One size fits all.
A Celtic Trust power play.
No more ,no less.
———–
I have to say that I find this view and others like it ‘amazing’ – and not in a good way.
Some allegations about those of us who advocate the living wage as being patronising middle class types. Yet surely to then go on and assume that you’re in a position to determine who needs or deserves the aforementioned wage is the absolute definition of ‘patronising’.
Might the 21 year old be one of the many young carers who along with their older counterparts make up an invisible backbone of care provision in Scotland today?
Might the 21 year old be a single parent struggling to make their way in life?
Might the widow be in receipt of insurance policies that soften the blow of her loss?
Do line managers expect less professionalism from the 21 y/o as they’re to be paid less?
I don’t know. But I can’t know and shouldn’t know. Nor should the system. It should treat people equally, regardless of age, race or religion. And it should at least guarantee a living wage cos when it’s not paid it’s the taxpayers who make up the difference in any case.
‘Now kings will rule and the poor will toil
And tear their hands as they tear the soil
But a day will come in this dawning age
When an honest man sees an honest wage’
Usually on here I read stuff that I think is so in keeping with the ethos and history and spirit of our club. Sometimes less so. On this, much less so.
Night Timdom!
Up the rebs!
HH jamesgan
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I would never suggest that those individuals who are “lobbying” for the living wage are anything other than good and decent people.
I have suggested that “self interest” is the motivation of the Celtic Trust.
You say “Yet surely to then go on and assume that you’re in a position to determine who needs or deserves the aforementioned wage is the absolute definition of ‘patronising’.”
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That`s precisely what the proponents of the “living wage” initiative are attempting to do.
Patronising the employees of Celtic F.C.
Again you mention the personal circumstances of individuals.
That`s precisely why generalising about their individual needs is ludicrous.
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You say:
I don’t know. But I can’t know and shouldn’t know. Nor should the system. It should treat people equally, regardless of age, race or religion. And it should at least guarantee a living wage cos when it’s not paid it’s the taxpayers who make up the difference in any case.
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Absolutely right.
Why then, is the focus solely on the employees of Celtic F.C.?
Surely that`s a discriminatory approach.
macjay & CB
You bassas benefitted from the welfare state, fought for and paid for by the trade union and labour movement. Now you’ve climbed up the ladder, you want to pull it up behind you.
You’re a disgrace! You do not share the Celtic ethos, similar to the current (currant?) board and kojo.
!!Bada Bing!!
22:38 on
13 October, 2014
Auldheid-part of PLs bonus is made up of money saved on certain budgets,including player transfers.Given the amount of loan players we have ,some would see that as corrupt.HH
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I would like to know what the reward system is.
In my experience reward systems get based on what is easiest to measure rather than what really needs measuring because it is harder to measure the latter.
I’m not sure what the balance is between hard financial measures and softer football result measures. but I would hope that the latter play some part in the process for deciding remuneration.
Happy green bunny
If you get my email address from Paul, I can maybe help you out re
Flat in Malta. Have contacts in real estate who gave me a good deal a few years back.
Malta did well to hold Italy to 1 goal, considering their population is about half that of glasgow.
Iceland did even better, humping Holland !
HH
auldheid
00:53 on 14 October, 2014
I have huge respect for what you post and take forward on behalf of us Celtic Fans
But
I personally believe both the actions, and non-actions in other areas, of the current board, has significantly contributed to the drastic reduction in Season Ticket Holders.
I seriously considered my position last season, due to the treatment of our fans in our stadium, compared to what was found acceptable for other visiting fans.
I will again consider my position next season, due the actions of our ticket office, and the non benefits of being a season ticket holder
My gripe they are not dealing with areas, departments having a huge negative impact on fans
Mr Bankier’s “Behave” comment 2 successive AGM’s I find condescending and un- acceptable, he may want to try entering turnstiles normal fans do, and be filmed following our team
Just my views
And please you keep up the very Sterling work you do
Hail Hail
Off to bed. Good night, fellow Celtic fans.
A bit heavy in here tonight guys to lighten the mood a little.My cousin & I often ask the question 2 bands of legendary Status who dou prefer Pink Floyd or The Clash ???