Teemu Pukki’s permanent move to Brondby for a reported £500k is good business for a player who never came close to commanding a regular starting place at Celtic. While we did well exiting him from Celtic Park but his arrival two years ago is worthy of review.
He came from Schalke as a 23-year-old, having been at Sevilla as a teenager and scoring slightly better than one in two in Finland. Even his Schalke stats were decent, 8 goals in 7 starts and 30 appearances from the bench, which for a sparingly used young player is around the mark expected. On paper, Teemu looked a good fit for us, so do we have anything to learn?
For a start, being able to score goals in the Bundesliga does not guarantee you will be able to translate this into an even better scoring rate in Scotland. We have made similar mistakes when recruiting strikers from Spain in recent seasons. For all our lack of financial clout, delivering in Scotland is not an easy task.
There is a whole world of potential issues around psychology, motivation and appetite, which I regularly hear cited about players from people in the game. For the most part, I reckon these are excuses to bridge the unexplained gap between expectation and outcome. You get the odd indulgent nutcase, but most players have an overwhelming sense of their need to maximise their commercial value by delivering on the park. I suspect Teemu is no different.
Whatever the reason behind him not fitting at Celtic, the exercise cost us not only the £1.5m net loss on transfer fees, and wages paid, but more importantly the failure to kick on from reaching the last 16 of the Champions League in season 2012-13.
There’s a truth in the game which has stood the test of time: only people who watch a player week-in-week-out know his true value. Schalke fans would have told us things about Teemu which we can tell others about John Guidetti. John will pick up a club keen to exploit his untapped potential. A year from now they will be a little wiser.
Our lesson: scouting is the only important part of recruitment, stats, references and YouTube clips don’t count.
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Graffiti on the wall
That’s magic that’s magic
Bet that’s been said before
sipsini –
enjoyed that, thank you
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I think FIFA should have a Look into the Qualifing from Group Stages to Quarter Finals in the Copa America..
Definitely Fishy..
The Top 3 Team Qualify for the Quarter Finals..
Here’s the Deal.. There are 3 Groups ..
Do Americans have Some sort of Bakers Quarters cause every time I get the Ole Abacus Oot I make it NINE Teams in the Quarters.. Wtf
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sipsini
09:29 on
21 June, 2015
Lifted from the comments on philmacgiolabain blog, a nice wee read…
http://mattleslie74.weebly.com/blog/dave-king-needs-you-and-i-mean-really-needs-you
Great read.The more you read,the more gullible the Huns become.Just when you think these shysters cant do any more to them,they come up with the first two signings.
Good on the SMSM for trying to pass these two off as good signings.The gullible are falling for it.
We’re signing Jelle? Another headline writers’ dream.
Still, we’ll be linked with dozens of players over the next few weeks.
niallo83
09:38 on
21 June, 2015
Anyone seen much of Vossen play?
A quick background search shows he has a great scoring record in Belgium. More importantly he has scored goals in Europe. Lots of goals in Europa League and the year Genk qualified for champions league he scored twice in group stages (including a goal against Chelsea).
Best we can get in the 0-3m bracket?
I said the same thing the other day.His goal ratio,and assists are very good.Someone on here the other day saying he does not score goals!!!!!!!!!.If we can get better for the money we can spend,it will be a miracle.Wont happen.Boy has said he is interested,but has heard nothing yet.
Austin …was available to us at a decent price as was Vardy …..we were too interested in pursuing the striking equivalent of Wanyama ….too many projects non goalscoring strikers
Better off signing Russell or May …or even giving youth a chance
Pagans of the World Unite!
Happy Summer Solstice ;0)))
HH
Anybody ever thought that Phil maybe on the wind up …..we love it ….don’t necessarily believe it
Sends the Huns bonkers …
All good fun
Winning caplains Sorry but the spin that it’s all different now Regarding scouting just does not cut it. We have been told this for years that john park and his extensive scouting network has massive notes on targets
How on earth could pukki end up costing us 3m plus wages for year. Not to mention Balde. Who scouted them and what on earth was Park up to
For every vic he has found he has found 6 duds. Not good enough. Should not be in a job
08.15
You don’t see the relevance? Oh dear.
Sydney Tim said we should only buy strikers with a good scoring record. I agree with him. But he wanted us to shell out a huge fee. Sociedad paid nearly 8 million for Finbogason, whom Sydney Tim was keen on. So far he has flopped in Spain. Should Celtic have taken that risk? All I am saying is that there is no guarantee when you buy a striker. There was no guarantee with Henrik, but we didn’t break the ban to sign him.
Pfayr. Totally agree. There lies the problem
We have had a policy to sign foreign players that might be developed and sold on
Nothing to do with team on park and success
We should have signed May and developed him He would be low risk with cost , but did not fit into PL policy. PL striker policy has been a disaster and cost the club Millions
79caps
Correct …no guarantees when buying players
However….when you sign a player with a crap record he very often remains crap ….
I was commenting particularly on the Pukki deal ….not praising Sydney Tim’s scouting ability
Finbogsson’s failure in Spain is irrelevant ….that is unless you think I was praising ST …which of course I wasn’t
79 caps. I have said it before and will say again. If you sign a non scoring striker for a low fee , the chances are he wil remain a flop
Ps henrik scored at a World Cup before he came to Celtic
Sydney
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How about we bring in Martin Bain as CEO and see where that gets us?
79 I am not a well paid scout
But when my mate from Germany told me pukki was a dud and his fellow shalke fans Said the same , then you have to wonder why our well paid scouts are still in a job
4m it cost our club
We’re never going to be able to afford a top striker. And we also can’t afford to spend big money on a flop. So what’s the answer? Guys like Hooper with a decent scorng record at a lower level perhaps.
Turkeybhoy,
I’m guessing the person who said he doesn’t score goals just looked at his Middlesborough record (which isn’t fantastic).
As we both agree his Belgium record is great and has proved he can score in Europe!!
I’d like to know more though. Is he fast/ target man etc.
21 5 79. I don’t want our club throwing away money on duds. I want those responsible for wasting our limited cash , identified and removed from Celtic park
Don’t really know what Martin Bain has to do with it
Sydney Tim
I agree with you. But Henrik was not a prolific goal scorer in Holland. Finbogason was, and I clearly remember you saying Celtic should shell out whatever was necessary to sign the Icelander.
So it’s always easy to sign a good striker. But like you I am mystified as to what our scouts saw in Bandura and Balde.
Perhaps Lenny also messed up by not giving Murphy a proper chance. He’s just had a great season.
I should of course have said: it’s NOT always easy ..
Sydney
You want PL out, so who do you suggest replaces him. I can’t believe the stick that man gets on this blog, I hate to think where Celtic would be without him.
79. I saw murphy and thought to myself. Oh my god
My view on him has not changed
Yes I dont see the issue on shelling out 6m on a striker. It’s the only position that I would
We shelled out about 5m on pukki and Balde
I think finbogason would have played and scored more than those two duds
Scandavians tend to do well in SPL
The Spanish league is the best in the world
Sydneytim,
If you had a Feyenoord mate the time we bought Larsson what would he have said? Or a Chelsea mate the year we bought Sutton?
Pukki had a reasonable scoring rate in Germany. He had a good scoring rate (18 goals and 13 assists) at a lower level in Finland. He had also just scored a couple of goals in the European Championship qualifiers for Finland against Belarus and then world champions Spain.
It was a reasonable assumption by Celtic to think at 23 years old he would get better and be able to score a lot of goals at SPFL level. It didn’t work out unfortunately….so we move on!! But stop making it out that it was blatantly obvious that he would fail because that just isn’t true
Henrik (and Lubo) were not products of scouting but arrived because they were known to the manager. Interesting that both were at low points pre Celtic. Henrik unhappy at Feyenoord and Lubo similarly disillusioned at Duisburg. That is one way of doing it….. It will turn up gems now and again but is not systematic.
Problem is with scouting that part of the market where we look to recruit. Must do better.
sydneytim
Just telling you what is happening from information received from inside the scouting set up at Celtic. Ronny is changing things dramatically and there should be less mistakes as a result. We could have had Roy Keane and that doesn’t bear thinking about.
21.5..79. I don’t know who I would want as a ceo. DD tells them he doesn’t want debt
How they go about it is up to them
PL has taken the easy low low risk option to ensure his bonus is maximised
The CL qualifiers of the last two years have been awfull due to lack of investment when cash was available
We were lucky two years ago but last year cost our club about 20m in income
Not good enough
We are up against teams in the CL qualifiers who in most cases are on fraction of our turnover , but they tend to have invested for CL qualifiers. We don’t
Neil Lennons dream team
1. Boruc
2. Agathe
3. Mjallby
4. Elliott (Matt)
5. Valgaeren
6. Izzet (Muzzy)
7. Larsson
8. Thompson
9. Sutton
10. Lambert
11. Petrov
You’ve had thought he would have gave himself a game, Neil you are better than Muzzy Izzet !
Enjoy your day fellow fathers we deserve the adulation
Hail Hail
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Hamiltontim
You kicking about? Can you email me your address so I can send petition forms on – soz I deleted your email by mistake.
HH
mild mannered pedro delgado
09:41 on 21 June, 2015
Graffiti on the wall
That’s magic that’s magic
Bet that’s been said before ……….
…………………. : ). http://youtu.be/Dkky3YHzNBM
I see the right wing facist SNP government continues to use its police force to subjugate its citizens
THE equivalent of nearly one in every five people in Greater Glasgow were stopped and searched by police last year, according to a new report.
Quite astonishing statistics compared to the rest of the UK.
The cops spokesman says they are keeping people safe.
Yeah right.
Sydneytim,
Two more points.
Pukki scored more goals (8/47) and had a better scoring rate (1 per 5.8 games) in the Bundesliga than Finnbogason (2/25) or a scoring rate of (1 per 12.5 games) scored in La Liga.
Pukki also has more international goals (8) than Finnbogasson has (5).
Again I’m just trying to show how difficult scouting can be.
Niallo. Pukki scored 8 goals in two years with Shalke. He failed when he went out on loan to Spain also
No I did not have any dutch or cheski mates
But my scottish mate who lives in Germany said he was a coward , never goes for 50 50 ball and is slow and his german mates laughed at him when bought him
My question is same. Who on earth sanctioned him. We had been looking for over 6 months and all our top scouts could find was a slow non scoring striker who had no heart
Must do better
Anyone give me a reasonable explanation for the signing of Amido Balde ?
Just asking :-)))
a ceiler gonof rust
08:01 on 21 June, 2015
So, have we signed anyone. Not got great internet access and few opportunities to check.
Sumdy tell me.
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No more signings yet but I can tell you that we have been priced out of buying Akechi Anya, Steven Fletcher (phantasmagorical wages) ……………..Keith Jangles Jackson
Ajax have also signed Mitchell Dijks, who was reportedly a target, on a 3 year deal.
Shudder when I recall, but Wayne Biggins also arrived because he was known to the manager. One way of doing it, but not always the best. That said, our scouting of strikers hasn’t been great either recently – Hooper aside.
I see some of thems have looked in on Phil’s latest. Their response to King’s alleged effort to dump shares is as you’d expect…. Paedos this and that. Typical Hun rationale and someone using the name Graham really taking it bad. Tinfoil napper?
Morning all and a happy Summer Solstice.
Btw the sun enters Cancer at 1737, Celtic Park time!
There you have it.
HH!!