The Daily Record today report the contents of a document drawn up after a meeting between the SFA, the SPL, the SFL and Sevco suggesting “punishments for Rangers for the Employment Benefit Trust tax dodge used by Sir David Murray’s regime to pay players”.
The document details that Rangers would be stripped of titles and trophies ‘won’ by the club while they fielded illegally registered players, described by the Record as “the harshest ever seen in football”.
While Rangers EBTs had been in the news for close to two years, it was Celtic Quick News who first raised the question of Rangers players being illegally registered in an article on 22 February this year. Clubs are required to note all payments players receive in connection to football with both the SFA and SPL as part of the player registration process. Failure to register EBT payments is completely separate to the legality or otherwise of how the EBT was conducted, and until we raised the issue, there was no question over player registration, and no possibility of league titles being stripped.
Two weeks after Celtic Quick News brought the matter to public attention the SPL appointed solicitors Harper MacLeod to investigate the case. The subsequent report concluded Rangers had a case to answer.
There are a number of alarming aspects to today’s Daily Record report (the newspaper appears to have the main story but don’t notice its relevance):
Sevco should not be involved in any discussion around the guilt of Rangers or any subsequent consequences. Fan power in recent weeks had shown that we are not a Banana Republic. Disciplinary issues are subject to establish procedures. Any attempt to meet with a party acting on behalf of Rangers to agree an outcome with both the investigating body and the appeals body, before an independent inquiry takes place, contaminates all who participate.
Scottish football has independent judicial procedures for dealing with serious breaches of rules. Executives from the SFA and SPL have absolutely no authority to set-aside these procedures, nor are they appropriate people to act instead of the independent procedures.
Stripping Rangers of titles and trophies if they are found guilty of cheating is not a punishment; this simply reflects the legitimate winners of past trophies. When an athlete is found to have cheated to win a medal, his punishment is not the withdrawal of the medal, which is an obvious consequence of being caught, he will also face a sporting or financial penalty, often a ban.
There seems to be no end of attempts to subvert sport in Scottish football. There must be no backroom deals, not even if they bring a barrel load of trophies to Celtic, we cannot be bought-off by bling. Independent disciplinary procedures must take place.
Although Rangers failed to register players EBTs, this matter is separate from what the Record calls “punishments for Rangers for the Employment Benefit Trust tax dodge used by Sir David Murray’s regime to pay players”.
If the First Tier Tribunal (remember that?) rules that Rangers broke tax rules the club could yet face football disciplinary procedures for failing to pay social taxes.
Last month we reported that the SFA was set to remove independent judicial oversight from the game as its existence was getting in the way of their plans for ‘Rangers’. Although the Daily Record seem to be oblivious to the fact, they appear to have found documentary evidence that this is the case.
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Gordon j…,
would it not be a better compromise to repeal that condition rather than introduce a new law enforcing it as a right.
That way churches can never be forced to compromise their basic belief system. We both know if such a law was introduced, it would not be long before the unshaven brides, would be demanding their day in the church of their choice, and churches like B&B’s would be dragged through the courts.
Lennon n Mc….Mjallby – what are you talking about? They are the people. They are all that matters. They are all anyone should care about.
They genuinely believe that.
If it’s in the Ten Commandements, then it’s a rule to be obeyed. There is no Commandment around marriage, though they do note that “Thou shall not covet your neighbour’s wife” and the address was given to all men.
Do we read into it that if gay marriage was allowed it would read “…your neighbours wife, husband or civil partner.”?
No, not at all. It is not a prohibited action that is laid out in the Ten C’s. If God did not intend for gayness (I think my work’s firewall picks up the ‘H’ word… no, not Hun, the other one) to exist, or flourish, knowing what lay ahead for the world then it would have been a commandment. It’s not so it should be permissable.
However, it should be up to any Church whether they wish to bless the marriage in the eyes of God.
But a Civil or Humanist marriage, between man & man or woman & woman, should be permitted without obstacle.
Re: Celtic v Aberdeen
This game is listed for Sat 4 Aug ko 15.00
However Sky have two SPL games listed for Sun 5 Aug: 12.00 and 15.00 (TBA)
Does anyone know if Celtic’s game has been rescheduled? What notice must Sky give for rescheduling?
I’m re-posting this from the night-shift…….why? Dunno….just like it.
“Di Stefano talks like he’s got a bubbling chip pan in his brain! He takes ‘azzuri’ into a whole new palette.
His ‘aeronautical militare’ shirt had my jaw dropping…..is he trying to signify his solidarity with the ‘flying picket’ wing of Bomber’s commandos?
Ah….it’s parallel universe hilarious…..the great undefined secret plot to annihilate rfc.
Jeezo…..and here I thought everybody knew how they managed it….i.e Minty Moonbeam’s magic millions from the nudge & a wink banco del murray that got rumbled in the crash….then all the mess that got discovered and the rest that got created to cover up the dodgy Dave King criminal empire etc.,etc.,.
If this is the kinda joker the blue crazies are now relyin’ on,then they have trully lost their trollies and are heading into the twilight zone at the speed of light!”
monaghan, where on earth’s humour chords did you find that precious piece of cr*p… it made me laugh then made me cry (with laughter)………….
keep up the gd work lads.
Hail hail!
So, when’s the ‘CARRY ON RANGERS’ film coming out ?
canamalar,
I think that amending the existing legislation might have exactly the opposite effect – religions carrying out marriages under the Act would then find it more difficult to deny same sex couples, I would have thought.
New legislation will allow for an opt out to be explicit.
On Zlatan-
If MON, much as I love the guy, has said that Ibrahimovic wasn’t world class, he was completely & utterly wrong. He is a great player, head, shoulders & torso above anyone playing in the UK currently, & i’d argue should be classed in the bracket behind Messi & Ronaldo (or the 2 brackets, one containing Ronaldo & the other being reserved for the incomparable Argentine) alongside Xavi, Iniesta & Pirlo.
Anyone know how long ago MON made his comment about Zlatan, & if he still holds to that view?
btw,anyone heard from ‘wonkyradar’?
Fortunes Favour Mibbes on 18 July, 2012 at 14:25 said:
Anyone know what the FF view is on gay marriage rights?
Statistically, 12% of them should be homosexual.
Similarly, 14% of them should be Roman Catholic. Mibbe…
But 100% of them are are morons.
Rogueleader:
If there is one thing that annoys me about the whole uncivil war that’s broken out over there it’s this; it will act as a convenient cover against a theory I have long held.
Rangers are not a global club. Not even a UK superclub. They are a West of Scotland team which has been operating on financial steroids. That aside, they are not a giant of the game in any real sense.
We are about to witness something very special, something many of the bloggers and readers of this site have never seen in their lifetimes.
We are about to witness a version of Rangers in line with reality.
The modern structure of that club was built in an era of big spending. Their season ticket base likewise. Between the mid 70’s and mid 80’s, before things got crazy over there, their average attendance, for ten years or so, had been hovering around the 23,000 mark. Money and big name signings changed that forever.
In 1985-86 their average attendance was 25,000. A year later, with the influx of big names from England, it was 35,000. And it’s been climbing ever since.
That number will drop like an anvil. Instantly. Twenty thousand will be sheered off of it before the season even starts. And some of them will be hiding behind the notion of “starving out Charles Green.”
It is ludicrous. The fact is, most of them just don’t want to pay to watch Third Division football with a fifth rate team. There’s a big stooshie right now about whether their team will get into FIFA 2013 … I look forward to seeing them there, in the Other Clubs section, with a side rated at half a star ….
For those who are braving ridicule on a Saturday as they leave from their manky pubs to travel to Annan, right now, Division 3 looks like an adventure, a novelty, a way of screwing the rest of Scottish football and coming back strong. They really do believe that nonsense; a minimum three years removed from big crowds and big game, a minimum of five from Europe. They believe they can build a team of free transfers and loan signings and will rise swiftly … I’m not so sure.
When they realise the game is going on without them, when they realise a bunch of kids so rank the reserve league was scrapped to avoid further humiliation aren’t going to propel them back to the top as quickly as they’d hoped, when they are scrambling around signing players who wouldn’t get into a League 2 side in England – and that will be their level – and when a group of on-loan kids from Celtic’s thriving world class youth academy, on loan at Brechin, have routed them in a must-win game to save Ally’s job … watch them fade away.
I think they are 20 years from making a meaningful recovery. If they ever do.
How far will the game have moved on by then?
Who can get married?
A woman and a man can get married in Scotland if they are both aged
16 or over and are either single, widowed, divorced or have dissolved a
civil partnership (provided the marriage would be recognised as valid in
any foreign country to which either party belongs).
People cannot get married in Scotland if they are:
• already married or in a civil partnership;
• under 16;
• of the same gender (a transsexual person is considered to have the
gender of their birth unless they have obtained a “gender
recognition certificate” giving the person legal recognition of having
acquired a different gender identity);
• close relatives1 (i.e. persons related by blood, for example, fathers
and daughters, mothers and sons, sisters and brothers, aunts and
nephews, uncle and nieces, grandparents and grandchildren.
Adopted children may not marry their adoptive parents but they are
allowed to marry someone else in the adoptive family); or
• incapable of understanding the nature of the marriage ceremony
and of consenting to marriage or were forced into marriage.
A marriage will be considered void (it does not exist) if, at the time of the
ceremony, any of these circumstances were the case. A party to a
marriage cannot tacitly withhold consent to the marriage at the time it is
solemnised. This means that a person cannot go through a marriage
ceremony with secret reservations about the marriage and depend on
this to get the marriage declared void later.
For more information about who can get married contact your local
registration office or visit the General Register Office for Scotland
website, http://www.gro-scotland.gov.uk. Your local Citizens Advice Bureau
can also help or visit their website at http://www.adviceguide.org.uk.
Gordon J…,
as it stands, churches can refuse couples, there is no right to demand.
You are now introducing a special case, why should they be treated as special case
Ole Johnny Clash,
Do you happen to know if the lovely Ms Hope Solo will still be playing Goal Defense for the US Ladies Olympics Soccerball team?
If so I may pop down to the Hilton Gazebo and introduce myself.
They cheated. Simple. No use their ‘fans’ bringing up spurious ‘how many angels can dance on the head of a pin’ arguments. They cheated….but they still look for get-out clauses. That is their measure.
And they are nazis….heart and soul….ff will confirm this. It’s not required reading,but it is absolute proof of their twisted thinking.
They are never called to account for their nazism….never……..wtf is wrong with Scotland that it allows this cancerous gan of thugs to thrive in plain view?
Anywhere else and they’d be getting their heads handed to them on a plate…..judiciously,judicially and completely within existing laws of course.
Makes you wonder why people feel the need to undermine religious faith even further by making a mockery of the term marriage and the fact it is deemed a holy sacrament by the Catholic church.
Same-sex couples can have their relationships legally recognised as ‘civil partnerships’.
Civil partners must be treated the same as married couples on a wide range of legal matters, including:
tax, including Inheritance Tax
employment benefits
most state and occupational pension benefits
income-related benefits, tax credits and child support
their duty to provide reasonable maintenance for their civil partner and any children of the family
ability to apply for parental responsibility for their civil partner’s child
inheritance of tenancy agreements
protection from domestic violence
immigration and nationality purposes
As I understand it (and I may be wrong) marriage doesn’t confer on people any greater or lesser rights and responsibilities than a civil partnership.
If that’s the case then it seems that homosexuals only reason for insisting that they should be allowed to marry rather than enter a civil partnership is that as the law stands at the moment they can’t.
They are equating differentiation with discrimination.
penang-bhoy@15:05
MON said he was ‘the most over rated player in the world’ at the 2006 WC
Any of them leaving their manky pubs to travel to Annan is in for an intense and uplifting spiritual experience.
I watched a very interesting film last night about the fight for Gay rights in America last night,the struggle being similar in many ways to the Civil Rights movement, funny how the land of the free doesn’t like minorities, great performance by Sean Penn as Harvey Milk, the first openly gay man to be elected to public office in America…
Good film..
Hope Solo?
Han’s wee sister??
NatKnow – “We welcome the paper-chase…” on 18 July, 2012 at 15:06 said:
‘Statistically, 12% of them should be homosexual.’
That’s bollocks for a start.
The homosexual lobbyists used to claim 10%, it’s a nice round figure and swayed the more gullible class of politician. There was never any justification for the claim. The figure generally accepted as accurate is around 3%.
Pink Emerald CSC
ernie lynch
Totally agree with your point
It is the arguement of, we want to be treated the same as everyone else, until it does not suit and then we tell everyone how different we are and require special treatment.
I had written a big mocking post about Sevco’s pre season tour of the Juniors, but there were too many links in it and the evil overlord hamster within the server has blackballed it.
In a nutshell:
Hawick Royal Albert
Kelty Hearts
Beith Juniors
Go to their websites.
Look at the squad photos.
Look at the “stadiums”.
Absolutely DIE LAUGHING.
canamalar,
My feeling would be that if same sex marriage was not outlawed and a religious body simply decided to refuse all such requests with no legal back up it could be open to action under equalities legislation. Having a specific get out that a religion can refuse on the basis of its own beliefs/ dogma/ whatever would protect their religious freedom, I think.
http://www.hawickroyalalbert.co.uk/pictures.asp?grp=Albert+Park
http://keltyhearts.co.uk/#/central-park/4565406590
http://www.eteamz.com/beithjuniorsfc/albums/
If it is found that some R@ngers players were improperly registered while playing a match, surely the players stats become void i.e. If Kris Boyd was on an EBT (though home grown players often weren’t) what was his actual SPL goal haul.
You are my Larsson
My Henrik Larsson
BTW Wouldn’t affect his stats vs Us too badly:-)
RogueLeader on 18 July, 2012 at 14:34 said:
JF – over on FF they are trying to arrange a mass cancellation of their Sky deals as a protest about being sent to Division 3.
What that has to do with Sky I have no idea….
share on F’book or Twitter
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I thought 95% of their fans , along with their manager, wanted SFL 3. Why would you protest against getting what you wanted ?
Unless of course………
penang_bhoy on 18 July, 2012 at 15:05 said
I think MON meant that he was lazy sod (which he is) and not so much a team player. As you will know MON went for the team player all the time.
THE Hoops finished off the German leg of their pre-season jaunt to the continent with a win over VfR Aalen and it was ‘Hoops’ himself in the shape of Gary Hooper who brought them back into the game by netting the equaliser.
The home side took the lead early on in the match with a goal from the ‘untidy’ bracket, but Hooper’s 64th minute leveller merely exemplified Celtic’s dominance during the second 45.
The striker said: “It was nice to get on the score-sheet but the first half wasn’t the best. However, we picked up in the second half and we scored two good goals from two good plays and we got the win.
“The gaffer just said weren’t passing, we weren’t moving in the first half. In the second half we got on the ball with one and two touches and basically opened them up and got James Forrest on the ball,
“Everyone was moving and Dylan McGeouch put a great ball in for me.”
It was the Englishman’s Irish striker partner, Anthony Stokes, who tied up the win when he tucked away the second in the 77th minute and Hooper was glad to get his, and Celtic’s, scoring underway for the season.
He said: “That’s my first this season and hopefully there’s a few more to come in the friendly matches and on into the start of the term with a few goals.
“However, the main thing is getting the fitness up but we got the win and now we’ve got the big game on Saturday.”
That next meeting is against Ajax in the Amsterdam ArenA and Hooper feels that the work down on the training pitch is now showing more during the games.
He added: “In training we’re playing more football now, which we needed. We’ve done most of the fitness work now and we’re doing short and sharp football stuff now and taking it into the games
“The progress is good. We’re getting fitter, we had a draw in the first game and maybe shouldn’t have lost the second game but we picked it up in the second half of the Aalen game and we’re very happy with the progress.”
Why the silence from Celtic Park?
Surely it’s time for Peter Lawwell to make a statement on gay marriage.
We could do with a zlatan type in our team right now !
JF – they are actively salivating at the prospect of Scottish Football “collapsing”. They are in for, as my Nan would say, a queer shock.
You are right, they are about to be forcibly retracted to their natural size and when the reality of this dawns it will be unpleasant for many of them. In fact many will not have the ability to deal with this.
Their grandkids will be Celtic fans.
Have a look through the sites of the clubs I linked they will be playing pre-season.
Whilst we are playing Inter, Real etc they are going to public parks.
Reality is about to start slowly dawning.
Ole Dick- ‘Hi Hope. I’m Dick, one of your biggest fans. Welcome to Scotland and to Glasgow, home of the world famous Champion Celts.
I expect they gave you a drink on the plane over’.
Where MON’s comments about Ibrahimovic not on the back of the big Swed claiming he was the best Swedish player when the KoK was at his height?
I’m sure it was a dig by MON regarding these comments but someone might be able to add more meat to the bone on this one.
HH
/Bishop B
RogueLeader on 18 July, 2012 at 15:25 said:
Their players will get plenty of fresh air and wonderful views in their games…
Then the reality will dawn on them, this is it!! Life in the nether regions, I wonder if they have hot water?