The Daily Record today report the contents of a document drawn up after a meeting between the SFA, the SPL, the SFL and Sevco suggesting “punishments for Rangers for the Employment Benefit Trust tax dodge used by Sir David Murray’s regime to pay players”.
The document details that Rangers would be stripped of titles and trophies ‘won’ by the club while they fielded illegally registered players, described by the Record as “the harshest ever seen in football”.
While Rangers EBTs had been in the news for close to two years, it was Celtic Quick News who first raised the question of Rangers players being illegally registered in an article on 22 February this year. Clubs are required to note all payments players receive in connection to football with both the SFA and SPL as part of the player registration process. Failure to register EBT payments is completely separate to the legality or otherwise of how the EBT was conducted, and until we raised the issue, there was no question over player registration, and no possibility of league titles being stripped.
Two weeks after Celtic Quick News brought the matter to public attention the SPL appointed solicitors Harper MacLeod to investigate the case. The subsequent report concluded Rangers had a case to answer.
There are a number of alarming aspects to today’s Daily Record report (the newspaper appears to have the main story but don’t notice its relevance):
Sevco should not be involved in any discussion around the guilt of Rangers or any subsequent consequences. Fan power in recent weeks had shown that we are not a Banana Republic. Disciplinary issues are subject to establish procedures. Any attempt to meet with a party acting on behalf of Rangers to agree an outcome with both the investigating body and the appeals body, before an independent inquiry takes place, contaminates all who participate.
Scottish football has independent judicial procedures for dealing with serious breaches of rules. Executives from the SFA and SPL have absolutely no authority to set-aside these procedures, nor are they appropriate people to act instead of the independent procedures.
Stripping Rangers of titles and trophies if they are found guilty of cheating is not a punishment; this simply reflects the legitimate winners of past trophies. When an athlete is found to have cheated to win a medal, his punishment is not the withdrawal of the medal, which is an obvious consequence of being caught, he will also face a sporting or financial penalty, often a ban.
There seems to be no end of attempts to subvert sport in Scottish football. There must be no backroom deals, not even if they bring a barrel load of trophies to Celtic, we cannot be bought-off by bling. Independent disciplinary procedures must take place.
Although Rangers failed to register players EBTs, this matter is separate from what the Record calls “punishments for Rangers for the Employment Benefit Trust tax dodge used by Sir David Murray’s regime to pay players”.
If the First Tier Tribunal (remember that?) rules that Rangers broke tax rules the club could yet face football disciplinary procedures for failing to pay social taxes.
Last month we reported that the SFA was set to remove independent judicial oversight from the game as its existence was getting in the way of their plans for ‘Rangers’. Although the Daily Record seem to be oblivious to the fact, they appear to have found documentary evidence that this is the case.
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Was the Tommy Gold call to Murray real ?
http://soundcloud.com/tommy-in-glasgow2/david-murray-meets-tommy-gold?utm_source=soundcloud&utm_campaign=wtshare&utm_medium=twitter&utm_content=http://soundcloud.com/tommy-in-glasgow2/david-murray-meets-tommy-gold
sorry blog.
Gordon_J backing Neil Lennon on 18 July, 2012 at 13:45 said:
Celtic_First,
The Catholic Church’s argument in a nutshell is that marriage can only be between a man and a woman because that’s how we define it.
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the church’s point is that only a ceremony conducted between two baptised christians (one male, one female), who are both capable of reproduction and who voluntarily enter into it,with the consent of the clergy and the community, can be called the sacrament of marriage.
People want to have a wedding ceremony which involves two males or two females and they want that ceremony to have exactly the same validity as ‘marriage’ currently has.
Muntjac Deer,
“They pose a particular threat to our native oak woodlands and bluebells.”
Let them roam free I say !!
HH
Ron Bacardi on 18 July, 2012 at 16:32 said:
‘Big J’ was a jew, not a christian and not a catholic, he obeyed the jewish faith and scriptures, so it all depends on the jewish faith – and I don’t know what that says about homosexual marriage
Don’t think he did obey the Jewish faith bud, that’s why they got him crucified.
!!Bada Bing!! on 18 July, 2012 at 16:30 said:
Big J Ostracise is just like a new signing said Mark Hateley
Feckin belter :-)
Oh dear. Things just go from bad to worse for Sleekit Sally + his motley crew of youngsters
Royalists’ glamour game hangs in balance
Published on Wednesday 18 July 2012 16:24
DOUBTS surround Saturday’s proposed pre-season friendly between Hawick Royal Albert and Rangers.
Talks between the troubled Glasgow club and the Scottish Foorball Association are continuing with a view to Ally McCoist’s men obtaining a licence to play.
And without the licence the weekend’s glamour match at Albert Park can’t go ahead.
Although Albert officials remain confident it will be played, those at Ibrox are more pessimistic although they have stressed, if cancelled, the game would be rearranged for a later date.
Why should gays not suffer like the rest of us?There will be safeguards in place,”aye right!”It will only be a matter of time before the European courts tell us that churches don’t have the right to refuse.
Celtic First,
You raise an interesting point:
“Sacraments are not the same as social conventions.”
Looking solely at ‘marriage’, was it first a sacrament or a social convention?
Not knowing the answer, I’d hazard a guess that it was a social convention long before it was ever considered a sacrament,not least since folk have been gettin’ hitched in some form or other since Adam was a randy cowboy.
Seems to me that ‘marriage’ has been a rather cute way of hanging a ‘Hands Off’ sign on women since the times we were chasing woolly mammoths, and certainly, while marriage is common across most human communities throughout history, its meaning and form varies considerably from one to another, including to the present day.
I expect you would know the answer to when marriage was first recognised as a Sacrament, and it would likely date from the emergence of Canon Law in the early years AD, and its development subsequently over the passing millenia. Indeed, the concept of ‘Sacrament’ axiomatically predates the recognition of marriage as a sacrament in the first place.
Perhaps the current view is that marriage, ‘properly ordained’ has always been a Sacrament, but was only recognised as such at a later point in time, say around the time of Aquinas? When did the good guys and their fiancées start getting all sacramental with each other? I don’t know. Was Abraham married to Sarah sacramentally? Was it a Jewish sacrament or an Islamic equivalent? Certainly wasn’t a Christian one for obvious reasons. That and the sacramental fooling about with the female staff…
Point of this ramble is that ‘marriage’ is not an exclusively Christian or Roman Christian concept, but predates the Church by many thousands of years. In the interim, the Churches’ understanding of marriage has more recently taken on a specifically spiritual aspect that had not been present in the understanding of marriage as it was practiced long before the Church and its Canon Law was ever conceived.
Marriage is a societal concept first, and a religious concept secondly. Just as religion has defined and redefined marriage through the centuries, so has society. Societysurely is as much within its rights to redefine it as the Churches ever were.
Catholic Church tolerates homosexuality when it suits them. I find their approach quite hypocritical tbh.
I don’t agree with Christian gay marriage as the bible clearly is against Homosexuality.
If you want to join the church you accept it’s laws. Same applies if you want to be a church leader.
Legal secular gay marriage is ok with me. We make those rules up.
The rules and Laws of the bible have been given- you take them
Or leave them… In their entirety .
Chasing woolly mammoths , or ‘Blind Date’ in the Ayrshire version.
Is he kafflikk jew… Or a proddy jew?
HH
Muntjac Deer bloody immigrants coming over here and using up all our resouce, send them back, and while your at it, them bloody rabbits have to go back too.
I love a wedding.
Why would anybody with a brain want to get married anyway :0)
Saint Stivs on 18 July, 2012 at 16:07 said:
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Great photies…..the old corpy bus….magic….nostalgia for the auld days!
Don’t really know if they were as good as my memory tells me they were,but my recollection of growing up in Glasgow is filled with sunshine. I know…nuts,but there ye go!
HH!
And thanks to Kojo for his explanation of F.G.A……
:-)
One day, we will each find out exactly “what Jesus would say”.
Personally, I would be severely depressed, even suicidal were it not for a firm belief in His Divine Mercy.
I recommend to anyone who is seeking some guidance on morality and the ways of our world, to research the messages/revelations of Our Lady, especially during the last 100 years.
Also the messages of our most recent saints.
If nothing else, it will certainly make you think…
TBB,
is there a difference bewen marriage and wedlock
ry plough on 18 July, 2012 at 15:55 said:
‘Said tweet from upset berr…
holden mcgroin @hmmcgroin
@rangerstaxcase watch your back, take even one title hampdump will burn.’
I think that’s what’s known as a win win situation.
Remember we had some great tales from Lisbon On 25th May on CQN -see below from official site:
Lisbon ‘veterans’ wanted for anniversary celebrations!
By: Gregor Kyle on 18 Jul, 2012 15:57
IT was the finest 90 minutes in Celtic history, when the Lisbon Lions claimed European football’s greatest prize by playing ‘pure, beautiful, inventive football’.
This season, on Saturday, July 28, as the club kicks off its 125th birthday celebrations, Neil Lennon’s Bhoys will take on Inter Milan in a friendly replay of the European Cup final. And we are looking for supporters who were there, at the original victory in 1967, to play their part on the day!
We are looking for any supporters who were at the game in Lisbon on May 25, 1967 to get in touch and share their experiences – with a select number then being chosen to be our guests at the match and take the opportunity to step out on to the pitch at Celtic Park.
The game will be a celebration of the club’s recent history, with the Lisbon Lions and some of the Celtic team that was narrowly beaten on penalty kicks by Inter in the 1972 European Cup semi-final in attendance as well.
If you or someone you know was at Lisbon in 1967, please get in touch with the club at the following email address: webhelp@celticfc.com
And, when you contact us, you can also tell us a little about your Lisbon experience and share your story. We will then look to use your story at some point during the club’s 125th anniversary celebrations.
The game against Inter Milan will be played here at Paradise on Saturday, July 28 with a 1.30pm kick-off time.
Tickets for the match are now on general sale and are priced as follows:
Season Book Holders: £15 adults and £5 concessions
Non-season book holders: £20 and £10 concessions
These can be purchased now at the Celtic Park Ticket Office, via http://www.celticfc.net or by calling 0871 226 1888*. They are also available from the following Celtic stores:
Argyle Street, Sauchiehall Street, East Kilbride, Coatbridge and Clydebank.
TWITTER
Follow the Ticket Office @CelticFCTickets
Steviebhoy @1644
Brilliant
Weefra HH
I was born into a world I didn’t understand………..I will leave it,equally confused.
In between?…it’s been an eye-opener.
And a cynic is just a failed romantic.
NostalgiaAin’tWhatItUsedToBe CSC
Ernie,
I thought the same thing. I reckon its the hidden hand of Peter Lawwell behind that tweet – fiendish plot to strip hun cheat titles and also get all future show games played at Celtic Park.
The man is a mad fiend…
A keep forgetting the sevco Hun news is in the “Scottish league ” bracket instead of the “spl” bracket on sky sports makes me happy
TheGreenManalishi(WithTheTwoProngedCrown) on 18 July, 2012 at 16:41 said:
‘Muntjac Deer,
“They pose a particular threat to our native oak woodlands and bluebells.”
Let them roam free I say !!’
It’s a non native species and will cause havoc.
Slaughtering them is the only way.
They should have done the same with grey squirrels when they had the chance.
Cruel to be kind CSC.
miki67 on 18 July, 2012 at 15:05
yeah, he spoke a few minutes previously at….
18 July, 2012 at 15:01
Ron Bacardi on 18 July, 2012 at 16:32 said:
‘Big J’ was a jew, not a christian and not a catholic, he obeyed the jewish faith and scriptures, so it all depends on the jewish faith – and I don’t know what that says about homosexual marriage
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oy vey
From a quick read of the blog I am getting:
Two gay men want to get married but can’t because of the EBT scandal, the Pope is refusing to bend the rules of the magisterium until Rangers Oldco have been stripped of their titles. The government can’t enforce the legislation on Gay Marriage until they get a ruling on the FTTT and rangers won a kick about against a bunch of Lanarkshire neds where there is some dispute about who has to go and get the ball out of the neighbours garden.
As a result of the moral outrage surrounding the gay issue and refusal to accept responsibility for putting the ball over the fence (Green is willing to go to court to prove that the ball does not belong to Newco as Newco has no money to buy balls, Ally McCoist has no balls and it is suspected that the majority of the Newco squad may have balls but they are yet to drop) Newco are about to be liquidated and will never kick a ball in anger again.
And Jesus was a follower of Apoel Tel Aviv
Is that the jist of it?
ernie lynch on 18 July, 2012 at 16:50 said:
I had a quick swatch at young Holden’s twitter page, he doesn’t make friends easily!!
And here was me thinking the polis were on top of such things…
I did the Hampden tour with my brother in law a few years back, embarrassing to say the least!
TBB,
or matrimony
I’d say that Jesus was the first Christian……but,then again,I’m off to a doctor’s appt……just as well,I hear you say!
:-)
I don’t know much about a same sex marraige but it might be better than a nae sex marraige :0)
ernie lynch,
The ‘ole montjac deer are not the only “non-native” species currently causing havoc in Scotland.
If they eat bluebells they have my blessing !!!
HH
RobertTressell on 18 July, 2012 at 16:56 said:
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Yeah….that’s about the gist of it…..and we’re all going to Heaven in a corpy bus…..Kojo will nick us one…
HH!
I am having prawns for dinner.
Will I be sent to the bad fire?
Exodus Chapter 20.
No transfer news, no games and no Huns. No song debate, no poppy debate and still no Huns.
So we are left with a gay marriage debate?
Gay us a break CSC
‘Big J’s name was not Christ, the first christians were those who thought of him as the Christ
RobertTressell on 18 July, 2012 at 16:59 said:
Are they same sex prawns??
What about the quadrisexuals and the metrosexuals. Who’ll stand up for them? And where do they fit in? Has anyone asked the Pope? He would know….he would.
Doctor?