Is the club safe with Sir David, Dave King and Paul Murray? Is Craig Whyte a worthy successor? Is Charles Green trustworthy? Is Ally McCoist a great manager? For the PR hired hands at Ibrox, the questions were always the same, it was just the answers that changed.
Few have the gall to deliver the PR messages which flow out of Ibrox, and that group of clubs have depended on PR spin for decades. Short of the communication of formal issues, like Annual Accounts and sensitive Stock Market issues, Celtic don’t utilise external PR services.
Celtic have in-house PR to facilitate media inquiries and the output of club message, but there’s no perceived need to bring in an external spin doctor to reframe reality. This is the way it should be, of course, you’ll never win a battle in the gutter with a guttersnipe, but there are costs.
We have had paid professionals successfully briefing against our club for decades, millions of people read and listen to these messages daily. This is a battle we will never win but the consequences for a football club trying to go about their business in an orderly manner are significant. The club, its directors, manager, players and supporters are variously painted as money-obsessed, anger-filled, flops and a rabble who hate the country their forefathers fought for.
We don’t indulge in PR excesses because Celtic have nothing to spin. They pay the taxes required to support their nation’s services, run an orderly business and are a remarkably well-respected and successful collection of fans, players, coaches and administrators. There are always unpopular decisions but the club face them down.
An eagle-eyed reader noticed an interesting aggregation in the two schools in Malawi we are assisting. Saturday’s article noted the pupil numbers at Kholoni Primary School in Mchinji as 1221 and St Josephs’ Primary School in Kasungu as 746. Go on, add the figures and see how many pupils will benefit from Celtic fans building kitchens. The spirit of ’67 is alive and kicking.
If you are driving to, or being driven to, CQteN on Friday, don’t think you can just nip along London Road and into Celtic Park. There is no access to the stadium from London Road. Access is via Janefield St, which, if you are coming from the east, means driving underneath the stadium. Make sure your taxi driver is aware.
There was a tremendous response to the whisky auction, which closes on Friday at noon, the current highest bid stands at £225. We have bottle No. 1 of a limited edition (291 in total) Craigallachie Telford’s Bridge, in a wooden box and presentation cardboard tube, whit an authentication certificate.
Bids are by email only to auction@celticquicknews.co.uk. This is a rare and valuable bottle. Shipping within UK and Ireland is included. Please include contact details and your bid amount.
Many thanks for all the kind wishes to the family yesterday, they were enormously appreciated.
Seville, The Celtic Movement, launches on Friday! Copies have landed and I hear…. it’s pretty decent.
“We are in the Estadio Do Besso on the 24th April 2003. We are far into the 78th minute of the 2nd leg of a UEFA Cup Semi-Final. The first leg in Glasgow, a fortnight earlier had seen Celtic obtain a 1:1 draw with Boavista, a relative minnow in Portuguese terms who had won their first ever top league title in season 2000/01, having only been 2nd on 2 previous occasions in their history.”
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Morning all a bit colder, cloudier and windier than yesterday down on the banks of the Gare Loch.
By God I’ll deserve a pint tomorrow night!!
Such a disappointing interview from Aiden.
I’ve yet to meet a Celtic fan with the same point of view.
You’ve only got to see how the latest incarnation is continuing along the same lines as the deid wan.
Aiden, you didn’t make my CQteN dream team, with that attitude so glad
Let’s be clear
I Never, repeat Never, want to see that Manky Mob, darken our doorstep at Celtic Park again !
Oh morning CQN
Hail hail
Morning all, do journalists trawl about looking for ex Celtic players who speak for the support……
Aiden, Rangers are no more, they can’t come back. A new team are in Govan, I don’t want them in our league, I don’t know any Celtic supporter who does.
Journalists stand outside Celtic Park tomorrow night between half five and seven o clock, ask the question to anyone you see, you will get a true picture.
Ayrshire is Green and White
marrakesh express
06:53 on 13 March, 2014
Dearie me. Just saw them celebrate winning a third tier league full of part-timers as if it was the top one.
They have no shame, no remorse, no dignity and no class. Totally embarrassing.
Many of their own will be cringeing.
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I doubt they will be cringeing. I’ve spoken to Huns who have stated that they don’t see much of a difference between the lower leagues and the SPFL. Their inherent belief that they are world beaters is very much still there. Supremecy at its ugliest. A pointed white hat or SS uniform wouldn’t look out of place on them.
When Aiden was having his bit of ‘Old Firm banter’ with Naismith maybe he should have asked him for a definition of ‘demoted’!
Dearie me, even that wee Hun referred to them as the new Rangers.
Bobby
aye, Shropshire the same. Fogged up!
Got to work though…sadly :-)
Micktt
Aiden should have said no comment. I’ve only spoke to a couple of young guys who miss them but I reckon over 90% of us never want to see the cheats and bigots ever again, and me for one.
Morning all.
Aiden’s comments are sad. Perhaps it shows how modern fitba players ( are rubbish) are too remote from the fans as I’ve yet to meet any Celtic supporter who thinks
a) we miss ‘them’
b) ‘they’ were demoted
c) there will ever be a return of the ‘old **rm
On the game Barca Man City game last night, perhaps I watched a differnt game than some of you. Talk about Man City chasing shadows and being totally ouitclassed by Barca are IMO blinkered. I’m no fan of MC or the EPL but you only have to look at the possession stats from the game last night, about 53-47 in favour of Barca after 85 mins or so to see that Barca at times couldn’t even get on the ball. Up until Messi’s magnificent goal Man City looked comfortable in possession, passed with pin point accuracy and pace and looked as likely as Barca. Admittedly, they stqarted the game with a very physical approach and were at times blessed by an understanding ref, but to me they are the first team I have seen this season to keep the ball from Barca for sop many long spells.
Anyone with a different (wrong) opinion can buy me a drink at CQ10 and explain me my error.
HH for noo
Auldheid has already explained on this fine site many times why the resolution 12 question was the releavnt question to ask the SFA. I dont need to tell anyone about how fine a job this man has done on this issue and i reckon that one day we will all owe Auldheid a pint ( he will be blitzed by the time he has drunk 50,000 beers!) but anyway i have taken this explanation that Auldheid has given on TSFM and taken the liberty of re printing it on here in case anyone does not understand what he is attempting to do and the basis of the attempt. I think this explanation is particularly clear for anyone who may be a bit bamboozled by what is going on.
Please take 5 minutes to read below and understand what the SFA have done (or not done) and why Celtic should challenge them.
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The wee tax bill of £2.8M first entered public consciousness on 1st April 2011.
Agreement to accept the liability was reached between Rangers and HMRC in March 2011 in the week before the Interim accounts were published, which actually makes Alistair Johnstone’s Chairman’s statement in those accounts about making provision for a “potential” liability (when it had been accepted the week before) the start of the process of blowing smoke in the public’s eyes in respect of the wee tax bill.
The trail of obfuscation began there in April 2011 and was indicative of a failed attempt to prevent questions being asked about the UEFA licence process and justify the granting of a licence in March 2011. It may even have succeeded had it not became clear the tax payer had not been paid by August 2011, which in turn led to questions being asked that are now being pursued through Resolution 12 to the Celtic AGM of last November.
Although liability was accepted in March 2011 HMRC did not pursue recovery and waited until the Rangers take over on 6th May before a demand to pay dated 20th May was issued. This delay, whilst understandable in the takeover circumstances, allowed the SFA to accurately say that at the 31st March under Art 50 of UEFA FFP that there was no overdue payables to tax authorities and grant a UEFA licence.
However .the SFA had and have ongoing monitoring responsibilities (which they appear to be unaware of going by a statement on a lunch time BBC radio programme in November 2013 before the Celtic AGM ) These required them to see that Rangers complied with the second stage of UEFA rule compliance which was to fully demonstrate at 30th June under Article 66 that Rangers had no overdue payables to HMRC. In essence to check that the wee tax bill had been paid.
Well by 30th June the 30 day time to pay instruction in the letter of 20th May had already elapsed, so the bill was overdue and none of the criteria for excusing it as an being an overdue payable applied.
However the SFA emphasis at that time was to help Rangers to stay in business, which meant giving them access to Europe AND not having UEFA asking for an examination of their accounts. (see note)*
Had it not been so and had the SFA appreciated that the aim of Article 50 and the new Article 66 was to make sure the taxpayer got paid what he was due and not footballers , then instead of giving the Ranger’s submission to UEFA no more than a nod, the SFA should have been seeking the proof that what it was told was true, was in fact true and then said that the only way they could support the licence being retained (and UEFA had the power under their rules to expel clubs who had had a licence granted) was to tell Craig Whyte and Rangers to cough up in July 2011 and either pay or reach a written agreement to pay in instalments with a confirmed down payment or for a deferral.
Taking that line would have either exposed CW earlier for the charlatan he was or got £2.8M into the taxpayer’s pocket. The last thing on the SFA’s mind was the impact on the clubs denied a UEFA place by the possibility of a Rangers expulsion or giving the tax payer what he was legitimately owed.
It is perhaps ironic that football karma entered the scene in August of 2011, first in the shape of Malmo and Maribor, that stopped Rangers receiving any UEFA geld, which probably hastened their descent into administration and then it appeared in its other guise as Sherriff Officers in the same month alerting the world to the fact that the wee tax bill had to be overdue.
Karma tends to turn up when least expected.
(* Note:
It might be of interest to note that asking for accounts is what UEFA Club Financial Control Panel did in similar circumstances in the case of Malaga FC, except that whatever Malaga submitted about their tax position at 30th June alerted UEFA CFCP to ask for an audit at Malaga and look at the case for exemption that Article 66 requires. However this did not happen in Rangers case which all adds to the necessity of Resolution 12 being pursued in respect of an examination of the process in 2011 to establish if it was properly carried out, as the SFA appear to be claiming.
Malaga btw were subsequently sanctioned by the CFCP (to apply from the following season) and a condition of those sanctions being reduced was PAY YER TAXES which is as clear an indication of UEFA’s intent to protect the tax payer as it is of the SFA’s failure to do so.)
Danny Mills says “Man City need to spend big”.
Oh dear.
Oldtim
Meds in bag?
Good morning CQNers,
Heartened by this morning’s news that Steven Mouyokolo and Mikael Lustig are close to being considered fit enough to play again.
I’m especially looking forward to seeing Mouyokolo play again as, in the few games he played, he showed he is a cultured player who can read a game and play creative passes out of defense. I hope he remains fit long enough to form a productive partnership with VVD.
Morning all. Very foggy down here today. Cumbrae has disappeared.
Radio Scotland’s MacLean was in meltdown about his team winning their league. Awful stuff.
I have just seen that sevco scored 2 penalties in their 3 -0 “demolition” of third tier airdrie
oh dear oh dear oh dear
well as much as i detest the wee sevco too, I would be happy to loan them a few players to keep the big sevco in the second tier for a while longer
Hattrick hero elbows really is roy of the rovers stuff arcording to the fat controller.
Comedy gold on synde….
skyisalandfill,
I think you got it right with your mention of an understanding ref. He should have awarded Barca a penalty early on and he could well have ordered off at least 2 Man City players in the first half. At the start, Man City couldn’t live with Barca. The only time I thought they dominated play was for about 10 minutes in the second half.
btw
what has happened about the UTT appeal?
Sorry Aiden
you are sooo out of touch with the fans feelings. I think you were correct years ago, never to give interviews with the smsm, like most on here, I never want to see “them” at Parkhead, or anywhere else!
A cool , dry wonderful morning in ML1
Off to work
Yippee!
Blantyretim.
Just packing the bag.Meds were the first thing that went in, so I’m prepared, I’ll forget to take the bag now.I’ll be in Glasgow at 11.25am today, about a 100 yards walk to the hotel,
Morning CQN. Only 1 sleep to go – getting excited. Can’t decide whether to stay dry or not – have been behaving during lent but inserted the caveat that i would only ‘not drink in the house’ to allow me leeway for CQTEN and The Kano Do on the 29th . Now i can’t decide .
Anyone care to pass comment , one way or another ?
BRTH , mailed you last night . I hope it’s suitable and timeous .
Anyway , big shout out to the Table39 Massive (and that might be in more than 1 sense) – looking forward to ra morra.
Sanna
I’m Neil Lennon (tamrabam)
UTT updates…
http://www.tsfm.net/utt-thread/
Paul67.
You have mail.
Parkheadcumsalford
08:23 on 13 March, 2014
Not to mention the off-side goal against Barca which was, well not off-side.
BTW Jack Irive has been sacked so from the Hearld……
“Since liquidation and their rebirth in the bottom tier of Scottish football, Rangers’ focus has always been on motoring through the lower leagues in three straight seasons and, to date, they remain on course to realise that ambition, even if it has not always been an entirely smooth passage”
and I mean Irvine………
I have enjoyed a sectarian free atmosphere for 2 years now and I bet every A&E up and down the land have done.
Never want to see or hear their supremacist bile again in my life and don’t want my children to suffer it either.
Any tim who is an apologist for that lot should hang their head in shame.
Blantyretim I heard the fat controller and nearly crashed the car laughing at him. Looking forward to catching up tomorrow night mo chara.
Sannabhoy have a drink tomorrow and at the Kano night the work that you put in to helping the kids get to see football I think you have earned the right to have your 2 days out of Lent.
HH
KTF
Oldtim67
If you can’t get that ticket shifted before you head out to the festivities tomorrow evening, I’ll buy it from you.
I won’t be able to attend, due to the fact that the bus from Abu Dhabi won’t get me there in time, but I’ll happily give you £100 towards some nails and bricks for the Kitchen.
You can get my e-mail from Paul, or ask MWD for my e-mail…just tell him it’s the guy who sent him the autographs … ( i was posting under a different name then, and can’t remember it, but he’ll know who you mean )
Enjoy the evening :-)
Old Tim you take care and make sure you have a right good time over the next couple of days- I am gutted that I can’t be there tomorrow night but I have a Virtual Ticket – would appreciate it if as many as possible signed my book – hope to see you Blantyre Tim and all the ‘usuals’ some time this season – certainly hoping for an appearance at Aberdour
All the best
i’m neil lennon (tamrabam)
07:53 on 13 March, 2014
If Res 12, which seems to very clearly confirm corruption, is confirmed, what action will be taken against oldco / sevco / SFA….?
BBC now got Weir telling us we miss the deid team. Nonsense. I don’t.
toor a loo
08:42 on 13 March, 2014
Nail hit firmly on the head, there, Bhoyo ….. My sentiments EXACTLY….!!!!
mighty tim – cheers. just worried my capacity might have diminished and trying to keep up with Lennybhoy , Johann Murdoch and Pogmathonyahun might end disastrously .
HH
Parkheadcumsalford
Re the fog – from where I’m sitting its Skelmorlie that’s disappeared :-)
Tooraloo
Very true, and they’ll be back worse than ever, mark my words.
Marrakesh,
You are 100% correct.
Personally I am enjoying every second without them.
Early start for LB this morning.
Early finish the morra.
I see that some wee team won their league last night. Well done to them.
I watched a bit of Barca and Man City last night and to be honest it bored me to tears. The money they have shelled out on players on both sides is obscene for the talent on show. Now I believe a former player of Man City is advising them to shell out more cash.
I for one are glad of the policy Celtic run with in the transfer market. It can be frustrating but we should not be drawn into this nonsesnse buying players for prices well over the actual value and paying wages that they are not worth.
The CL is actually boring. The same teams most years in the last 8 and the players look as if they can’t be bothered. They are going through the motions.
The CL is Europe’s premier club competition. I haven;t seen much excitement yet. At least last season with Dortmund involved their was some colour, atmosphere and a big game feeling about it. The whole seeding situation needs to be changed. I agree that clubs from the same countries should not meet in the group stages but everyone else should be fair game. It should be an open draw. If the group stage throws up Bayern Munich, Barcelona, Juventus & PSG then that is how it is. The competition needs a shot in the arm. When a so caled smaller team like Dortmund make the final it makes it more exciting. The best finals in the last 10 years have featured an underdog. When it is two teams from the top 5 leagues it is usually a snore fest. The last great final from the two teams in top 5 leagues was Liverpool v AC Milan.
If you can spend over £400m on players god know how much on wages and still be waiting to defeat Barcelona then you have to admire our strategy and commend the board. We may not win every game but the way we run our club we can still compete. I think we can be hard on our manager on occassions. Probably because of domestic cup games but in Europe he is punching way above his weight. Sometimes we take that for granted.
I hope Lenny gets a decent chunk to spend in the sumemr but we want players who will be happy to come and play here and buy into what the club is about and what we are trying to achieve off and on the pitch. I would prefer not to have players who come for the money first and the football 2nd. I have had a window into that this week via the CL and it is painful to watch.
Ozil? £40m+ and needs an arm around him by Wenger to convince him he is part of the future plans. The world has gone mad.
LB
Morning All,
Disaster from hell yesterday as the laptop died with all my work on it — including all my CQ10 records — although some of that is backed up remotely.
The swear box was well worth stealing by last night and by Friday night the drouth at the back of the throat will need well watering!
Anyway.
Sannabhoy — replied — couldn’t see the attachment so can you send again.
Lays still to do on and finalise on the CQ10 front but it should be good.
First copies of Seville arrived yesterday and it does look spectacular. I took a copy down to my dad in the hospice and he had sold it to of of the nurses within half an hour!!!!
The book is an absolute celebration of the Celtic fan……. it seeks to do absolutely nothing else than highlight Celtic fans at their most infectious and very best with terrific cartoons and pictures.
Many of the stories from here are captured and printed for posterity.
Remember Paul’s donations page for the Malawi Kitchen.
Off out to get on — but looking forward to a really great party tomorrow night.
ONE LAST THING.
73 YEARS AGO TONIGHT, THE FIRST OF TWO CONSECUTIVE AIR RAIDS TOOK PLACE ON THE TOWN OF CLYDEBANK.
EACH RAID LASTED FOR 9 HOURS AND IT WAS AN ATTACK THAT WAS METICULOUSLY PLANNED AND RESEARCHED WITH THE TARGET BEING NOT THE SHIPS ON THE CLYDE OR THE SHIPYARDS THEMSELVES — BUT THE PEOPLE AND THE WORKFORCE OF CLYDEBANK.
AT THE TIME, CLYDEBANK HAD THE MOST EFFICIENT AND PRODUCTIVE WORKFORCE IN EUROPE.
THE TOWN WOULD NEVER BE THE SAME AGAIN.
OFFICIALLY OVER 600 DIED ALTHOUGH CHURCHILL ORDERED THAT THE TRUTH ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED SHOULD BE SUPPRESSED FOR FEAR OF DAMAGING MORAL.
SUCH WAS THE LEVEL OF THE BOMBING THAT MANY DIED THROUGH SUFFOCATION AS THE OXYGEN WAS BOMBED CLEAN OUT OF THE ATMOSPHERE. 60,000 PEOPLE WERE MADE HOMELESS IN ONE NIGHT.
THIS WAS AN ATTEMPTED GENOCIDE OF SORTS WHICH ALTHOUGH IT DID NOT BRING ABOUT THE IMMEDIATE NUMBER OF CASUALTIES INTENDED, THE SUBSEQUENT NEGLECT AND LACK OF FORESIGHT ON THE PART OF SUCCESSIVE GOVERNMENTS SURE AS HELL KILLED THE HEART AND SOUL OF THE TOWN.
THE PHYSICAL, MENTAL AND SOCIOLOGICAL SCARS CAN STILL BE SEEN– AND FELT — TO THIS DAY—– TWO OR THREE GENERATIONS ON.
PLEASE- TODAY AND TOMORROW — REMEMBER CLYDEBANK.
http://wp.me/p1G95H-17R