The Guardian did an excellent piece on Wednesday on how referees in various European territories would view the penalty box wrestling of the Juventus players. In short, there is a variance in how these offences are punished. Who knew?
Juventus knew. I hear they watched four videos of referee Alberto Undiano Mallenco ahead of the Celtic game.
You have to admire their thoroughness. They had a plan to combat Celtic and needed to know if the referee would let them away with it. Gone are the days when someone at Juve would simply pick up the phone and ‘ask’. The danger from Celtic was known, illegal holding would nullify this danger and watching a few videos established what players would get away with.
It’s no longer sufficient to scout your opponents, if you want an edge in this game, scout the referee too.
Every day’s a school day.
I hear from a good contact that a journalist who recently departed the media for a job in the lower leagues once wanted to be a bit of a Jungle Jim. Apparently he was keen to ditch his industry for a job at Celtic back in the 90s. What an escape!
On Friday 1 March the Lisbon Lions will be at the Kerrydale Suite providing commentary and answering questions on their magnificent European Cup final win in 1967. This has never happened in 46 years since that game, to say it is a unique opportunity fails to tell the whole story.
The event is part of our 125 4 125 campaign – central to reinvigorating the charitable spirit which is part of the club we love. It will be a family occasions, tickets are available at £10 for adults and £5 for children. The night has been organised by several fans working in conjunction with the people at Celtic Charity, so please do your best to support this great occasion. Individual tickets or tables are available, details here.
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Right,
Pollock Park is calling…….
I felt the “what school did you go to/ will your children go to?” were, unfortunately, predictable.
The real belter from Charles’s Q & A was:-
“I was happy to work with Walter and he has since told me he is happy his bid collapsed.”
I’ll bet he is :-)
This is what this manufactured recession/austerity/depression, whatever you want to call it ,is what is being perpetrated, worldwide. The new serfdom approaches.
http://www.naomiklein.org/shock-doctrine
Tough day ahead Jobo!! Enjoy….
summa of sammi….
08:37 on 16 February, 2013
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3pm CP time and 2am Melbourne Tim time.
V
Miki67
Problem-reaction-solution.
vmhan
have a good day back home in Derry.. God bless..
I am off to the funeral of a good friend this morning.
A man who fought the good fight for his fellow workers and neighbours all his days.
He was diagnosed in Dec and got 6 wks……..
I met him when we both worked for the railway in the 80s and was instantly struck by his reaction to injustice to his workmates at all times , we only bumped into one another occasionally over the last few years but he never lost that will to stand up for those who were being down trodden and was always giving advice.
I could say so much more but this morning I will just say Tam R.I.P.
You were a good man.
HAIL HAIL
Morning all. Misty here but the Celtic are playing. So, that lifts the spirit straight away.
asonofdan
07:51 on 16 February, 2013
Morning,
So Mallenco was at a Uefa meeting 3 weeks ago were refs were told to penalise holding in the box.
Makes you wonder what ‘Gifts’ he had waiting on him when he arrived in Glasgow.
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Have been saying this since the final whistle blew on Tuesday night. It would not surprise me in the slightest if, a few years from now, our game was quoted as one which had been ‘got at’ by some investigation team.
My only hope for the return leg is that, given the long odds we will be to go through, the cheats of Rubentus put a few bob ( euros ) on us overturning the deficit aided by the Cosa Nostra.
Lost a bit of faith in the game on Tuesday night through such blatant cheating, still seething.
Celtic boss Neil Lennon turns to SFA over Euro referee
Ronnie Cully
Senior Sports Writer
CELTIC plan to enlist the help of the SFA as they take their complaints about referee Alberto Mallenco to Uefa.
Neil Lennon wants answers over performance of referee Alberto Mallenco
Neil Lennon would like to receive answers to the questions they have about his performance on Tuesday before he takes his side to Turin on March 5 for the return leg against Juventus, in which he hopes they can equal a European club record of eight wins in one season.
The Hoops have compiled a DVD of the worst cases of manhandling by Juve players in the penalty area, offences which went unpunished by Spanish ref Mallenco.
Lennon believes it was a wrong interpretation of Rule 12, which instructs referees to penalise any holding at corners, and this has prompted the Hoops to get in touch with the SFA and Uefa.
He accepts little, if anything can be done retrospectively. But, he still wants answers. Lennon said: “We’ve compiled a DVD of some footage of the game which we would like someone to give us answers to. We may write a letter just asking for a ruling.
“We played the same team 12 years ago, and the exact same incident happened, and Chris Sutton was awarded a penalty.
“What is the difference from 2001 to 2013? Someone please give me an answer.”
Lennon has been supported in his belief the rules were broken by several leading figures in the game.
Former referee Stuart Dougal offered a different take on events, claiming a penalty could not be given because the ball was dead.
Lennon responded: “He is technically correct that the ball has to be in play. But it was going on while the ball was in play.
“Now, Graham Poll, Dermot Gallagher, Gianluca Vialli, Trevor Francis and David Moyes have all said we should have been awarded at least one or two penalties.
“Why the referee didn’t do his job is beyond me. It was always a concern with the referee, but I didn’t think he would be as poor as Mallenco was on Tuesday.
“I’m not taking anything from Juventus. They deserved to win the game and they are an excellent side. But you have got to apply the letter of the law.
“We knew what Lichtststeiner would do, we knew he was insecure about his defending.
“We told the guys to flag it up, they did that. They did everything right. The only one who didn’t do anything right was the referee.
“He was very inconsistent with his decisions, and there were other areas of the game in which I wasn’t happy with some of his decisions.
“I will emphasise, we didn’t lose because of the referee. But we didn’t get what we deserved in terms of penalties because of the referee.”
Lennon was only half-joking when he suggested his own players might have to be coached in the dark arts of WWE.
“I may introduce that to our defending now and see what kind of reaction we get,” he said.
“I’ll say to Wanyama, ‘Just put your arms around him and hold him, don’t let him run forward. Pull him, drag him, throw him into the goal’.
“You can’t do it. It’s all very well people saying the Italians have done it for years. It doesn’t make it right.”
Lennon has also questioned the role played by the extra officials behind the goal-line.
“If they are not allowed to help the referee out, then why are they there? asked Lennon. “I don’t understand it.”
Hat trick??
Estorilbhoy
I liked George Galloways assertion that the ref must have found a horses head in his bed on Tuesday morning
Jocular it may have been…however his performance was questionable
I hope we pursue this with vigour …if nothing else that eejit shouldn’t be allowed to ref a top flight game again
Some appalling suggestions from Labour’s Anas Sarwar today that free care for the elderly be scrapped because too few live long enough to benefit. Also free university tuition be scrapped because so few kids from poor areas get 3 or 5 As at higher. Which isn’t even a requirement to get into university even the ‘good’ ones. Who apart from the SNP,with their many faults, has any form of social policy left? I’ve nobody left worth voting for.
GooooooooooooooooooooooooooD
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BigJoeinDaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaHouse
I’m glad we are looking for clarification on the rules of the game – otherwise we have teams in the return leg playing to 2 different sets of rules. Looks like it will be fine for our defenders to wrestle and throw the Juventus players to the ground. If both teams are allowed to do that then fine – but it would have been fairer of them to let us know that prior to the start of the 1st leg.
Mucha Lucha!!
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Will be watching the hoops on the telly today…………
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BigJoeNOTdecidingYET
pfayr,
I’m hoping my reference in my post to the Cosa Nostra will result in me waking up with a horses head in my bed tomorrow morning.
Lovely with Yorkshire puddings for the Sunday roast :))
PS will leave the eyes in when roasting so that it will see me through the weekend :))
Hail! Hail!
Joe
pub, you deserve it big chap… o))
weeminger
09:39 on
16 February, 2013
‘The Day that Scottish Labour died’ – Iain Bell http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/home-news/the-day-that-scottish-labour-died.19003932 …
All this debate about the SFA “allowing” RFC to be sold to CW.
What a crock!
SDM wanted it done and so it came to be.
A propos of nothing in particular.
I have been having trouble with my phone recently.
The battery seems to be draining even faster than Chuckles contradicts himself.
I wondered of it was the browser (Chrome) so I installed a browser called Dolphin Browser to give it. Quite like it.
Doesn’t seems to have solved the problem, alas. I think the battery is just done.
However, I would recommend giving it a for no other reason than it’s default colour scheme.
Very pleasing to the discerning eye. Particularly when you have a few tabs open.
Also, I believe the name coincides with a favourite establishment of a few on here in the West End of Glasgow who enjoy that sort of thing.
blantyretim
09:45 on
16 February, 2013
Joe
pub, you deserve it big chap… o))
Cheers bud………………
are you about for the golf this summer ??
I am putting in an appearance.
BigJoethewhiteTIGER
joe
not sure yet.. won’t be playing as waiting on a leg op but hope to make evening session..
mea culpa- Aye but they forget the SFA allowed Rangers to trade for years when they were insolvent, only the highly inflated valuation of their fixed assets kept them afloat.
This was never questioned.
Prediction for today
We will have a penalty awarded against us at a set piece for holding in the box.
If i remember correctly Aiden McGeady was sent off at Easter Road a week after we highlighted diving in a Champions League game at The Emirates against Arsenal.
Dougie Dougie was the ref I believe
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lionroars67
09:47 on 16 February, 2013
Why provide links to a pro hun rag?
Are you trying to encourage them?
From Paul McC’s site:
Ally McCoist Still Thinks Rangers Were Victims of a Crime …
I posted last about Gordon Smith’s BBC interview where he seemed, undoubtedly by accident, to have re-written the history of Rangers entering administration.
I don’t know whether it was the Administration Anniversary celebrations that brought them out of the woodwork, but the lesser spotted baloney seemed prevalent over the last couple of days.
I turn now to Mr McCoist.
(As an aside, have a look back at the Share Prospectus. Three times it refers to Mr McCoist as “the Club’s all-time leading scorer”. Nowhere does it praise his managerial performance.)
Today saw Mr McCoist speaking to the Sun. (I cannot recall just now whether or not the Sun is on the list of publications and news outlets with which Rangers fans are in dispute).
Messrs Whyte and McCoist in happier and less tempestuous times
He was quoted as follows, discussing Craig Whyte:-
“I haven’t spoken to him. There are obviously a lot of questions which remain unanswered.
“The one thing that the Rangers fans deserve is an answer to a lot of those questions. Hopefully, in the fullness of time, we will get them.
“I do believe there is still a process going on with Strathclyde Police. They are taking a great interest in making enquiries into the purchase of the club at that time. It would be wrong of me to comment while there is an investigation ongoing.
“But there is a train of thought — whether it’s right or wrong — that the football club and the people within the football club might actually be the victims of a crime.
“So we will have to wait and see what happens with that one.
“Hopefully it’s a story that will be told one day because a lot of people deserve answers.”
As we all know, Mr McCoist, as with the SFA Disciplinary Panel last year, is good at demanding answers.
Maybe, if he is looking for answers regarding Mr Whyte, he could look at the Rangers Tax Case Blog, parts of which have come back online. He could read Phil Mac Giolla Bhain’s blog or his book, “Downfall”. He could even read what I wrote about Mr Whyte on this blog. Maybe he will find the answers he is looking for here?
I do like the way that, having said he can’t comment whilst there is an investigation, he comments while there is an investigation.
As no one really seems to know what Mr Whyte, if indeed it is he, is being investigated for, I think it would be hard to be accused of prejudicing an enquiry.
But how can Rangers be the victim of a crime?
As I said on my last post, and as no one has yet contradicted when I have said it before, “Rangers” benefited from any “crime” or sharp practice from Mr Whyte or his allies.
That might seem unduly inflammatory, and indeed “hate filled” but hear me out.
Sir David Murray’s MIH Group sold its 85% stake in Rangers Football Club PLC to Mr Whyte for £1. In addition, the debt of almost £20 million owed to Lloyds was cleared too. That meant that, after Mr Whyte’s takeover at least the bank was not clamouring for its money.
What then happened?
Rangers suffered a perfect storm of ill-luck (or karma, if you so believe). They went out of both European competitions without passing “Go”. This was the catalyst for the disaster which followed. The millions which had been part of Rangers budgeting for years were not coming in the autumn of 2011. Maybe £10 million or more which would otherwise have come into the coffers did not arrive.
In previous years Rangers had used the UEFA earnings as a lifebelt, keeping the company afloat on the stormy sea of huge wages and costs. But Mr Whyte happened to be the skipper when the lifebelt deflated.
Rangers running costs were over £2.5 million per month. How could it survive?
Mr Whyte came up with the idea that, by not paying VAT and PAYE, he could re-inflate the lifebelt. I have no doubt too that this was intended merely to be a short term measure until the financial waves died down, when he would of course have made up the tax shortfalls.
Why does no one ask what paid the bills at Ibrox from October 2011 until February 2012?
Does no one wonder where the £3 million which was in Rangers bank when Duff and Phelps took over came from?
It was the money from the unpaid tax bills.
That is how Rangers benefited. By not shutting down earlier. By being able, thanks to the sacrifice of players some of whom gave up 75% of their wages for three months, and then were abused for leaving, to reach the end of the season and the point where a sale could proceed.
Mr McCoist might look at the team he manages now and ponder being in SFL3, with many, but by no means all, of his internationalist players having left. But Rangers are not where they are because of Craig Whyte. They are where they are because for years European income kept them afloat, and when, in 2011, this income was non-existent, there was no safety net (apologies for the mixed metaphor).
Craig Whyte did not help matters – he was the engine driver when the train hit the buffers. But it is a wholesale attempt to rewrite history to suggest that it was all “the big boy who did it and ran away”.
So Rangers were not victims. They were not complicit (if you separate Mr Whyte from Rangers and of course legally that is not the case).
Clearly however Mr McCoist is convinced of Rangers status as victims. After all, as he said in April 2012:-
“Rangers Football Club was a victim of what happened during the tenure of Craig Whyte. The club was not an accomplice, a co-conspirator nor a perpetrator of wrongdoing. We suffered from it and still are.”
With all due respect to the all-time leading goal scorer in Rangers history, he is wrong. Rangers Football Club was in no way a “victim”.
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Yes Coisty, RFC were the victims of a crime. Your impersonating a football manager was (and is) criminal.
RFC became RFCia then RFCil primarily due to the over ambition of SDM and the crooked means he used to fund it.
CW may have hammered the last nail but Coisty’s was the one immediately prior to it.
BTW did you know that
Coisty has spies at every football ground in Scotland?
Rats a ssticky ‘s’ key there.
I meant to say,
Coisty has pies at every football ground in Scotland.
Damned icky keyboard.
Carman
Spot on , I was banging that drum last night, couldn’t remember the Aiden follow-up it was on the tip of my tongue.
We will get nothing from the ref today , first iffy tackle card will be out.
HH
Carman = Catman
• blantyretim
09:55 on 16 February, 2013
joe
not sure yet.. won’t be playing as waiting on a leg op but hope to make evening session..
OK………………. Sorry to hear that……………..
I will be hacking up the course as usual, and will get the beers in
BigJoeheading2thedrivingRange
“Incoming Bayern Munich manager Pep Guardiola plans to make a £50m bid for Tottenham winger Gareth Bale, 23.”
With our massive profits we should be competing for Bale. Or at least offering them Gary Hooper in a swap deal
Tough one today, particularly after a disappointing European midweek.
Think a draw on cards.
ernie lynch
10:01 on
16 February, 2013
lionroars67
09:47 on 16 February, 2013
Hows the fishing going Ernie? maybe try a more subtle bait
Mea culpa
Reality is the Huns were a financial basket case long before ole Whytey came on the seen
Karma is a bitch…. GIRFUY Huns
mea culpa
09:47 on
16 February, 2013
Goldstar10
Absolutely Spot on, on both counts …….murray ‘saw the writing on the wall’….. and…..if the SFA had taken action years earlier, the orcs would not have been liquidated…….
But they were……so, thanks for that, SFA / LL ……. LOL …… AND….. Do you know what was really ironic…..the touch-paper was lit when the bhuns’ protest outside ipox forced murray to spend £18m he couldn’t afford on players……..lots of LOL…!!!!!
Right, away for a wee swim, then onto Paradise…….