My attention was drawn to the Scottish Council for Voluntary Organisations (SCVO) blog yesterday, also covered by Joe O’Rourke on the Association site. SCVO Director of Pubic Affairs, John Downie, writes about the “proposed bill on sectarianism” but seems to get muddled in his role as a director of SCVO and using SCVO resources to speak as a Rangers fan; in this instance blaming Catholic schools for sectarianism. How ironic.
Downie writes:
“We’ve previously seen Rangers fans outraged by Celtic goalie Artur Boric crossing himself during games but less bothered – obviously – by about our own players (like Vladimir Weiss last season) doing the same thing.”
“Our own players”! Is SCVO some closed shop where they talk about Artur Boruc as a “Celtic goalie” and Vladimi Weiss as one of our “own”?
So far, so disturbing, but Downie then uses the article to ride to the rescue with:
“The solution:
Personally, as someone who grew up in the East End of Glasgow and lives in the west of Scotland, I agree with some of what Conservative MSP John Lamont says. In my opinion one key causes of sectarianism is Scotland continuing to have separate denominational and non-denominational schools.”
So, if only we didn’t have Catholic schools, players like Artur Boruc and “our” Vladimir Weiss would be able to cross themselves free of harassment. Bizarrely, Downie’s article is subtitled “treating the symptoms not the causes”. I don’t think he was trying to suggest it’s best to treat the symptoms.
The cause of intolerance is not differences in ethnic, religious or sexuality, it is ignorant bigots. It is ludicrous to suggest tackling intolerance by assimilating people into some mono-culture. It’s downright dangerous to blame a minority for intolerance of, and by, them, a sentiment that will only fan the flames of hatred.
The European Examiner reports that various politicians have called for Mr Downie’s removal but SCVO chief exec, Martin Sime, apparently sees nothing wrong in SCVO running a blog discussing one of “our” Rangers players and the “Celtic goalie”, while simultaneously blaming educationally successful faith schools for sectarianism. SCVO has offered a metaphorical No Surrender to resignation calls.
A brief comment for those who don’t live in Scotland…. Attitudes like this once prevailed but are harder to find these days. We are a modern, progressive, society, for the most part.
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Philvis.
Christianity appears to be under assault on this site.
Who’d have thunk ?
(thumbsup?)
The league game against Dunfermline at Celtic Park due on the same weekend as the League Cup final has been moved forward to 22nd February.
Braystreet
Has anybody mentioned anything about being lesser Celtic fans for agreeing with celticinthesun or his views?
The Singing Detective – Christianity appears to be under assault on this site.
Yup.
The noisiest and most noisome of them aren’t actually Celtic supporters though.
Hope your psoriasis is better. (thumbsup)
Did the crusades start up again and if so do you think they will bring back conscription?
philvisreturns: 10 February, 2012 at 17:43
I don’t need to go back the the Middle Ages to be critical of Catholicism.
Recent history provides enough material to sink a ship, but I’ll leave the negative stereotyping to people like yourself…
@Lennon n Mc….Mjallby
I think calling him a hun and telling him to get back to his ‘peeple’ is tantamount to calling him a lesser Celtic supporter.
Lads, I’m seeking some advice for the match tomorrow. I’m over in London this weekend, staying in the Hilton Olympia. Can any of you recommend a Celtic minded pub to watch the game between Hammersmith and Kensington? Thanks in advance.
Armed police situation in Buchanan St just up from St Vincent St!
Twitter rumours say hostage situation.
If cousins hasn’t been registered in time to be suspended against Dunfermline.
Then that should mean he is suspended for next weeks game at ibrokes against killie.
So another week to sharpen his elbows and get them match fit.
This Sunday, Feb 12th, marks the start of Education Week when we celebrate the importance of education in faith for children, parents and teachers and the church- Scottish Education Service.
Looks like there’s a lot of work still to be done!
Oh, and there’s a second collection at Mass this week for any practising RC’s for the said SES.
SPF
CelticResearch @CelticResearch
Can’t give anything else on tixway yet but whyte is now shafted.
Keep the Faith!
Hail Hail!
Twisty
dreadful news
strength to all concerned
Malarkey
To be fair I missed that;)
Phil vis.
Nothing is dropping off at the moment,perspicacious palomine.
Thanks for asking…
(thumbsup?)
I bet ther stv/ gers news does a 5 minute homage to Cousing, showing the same goals against us over and over and referring to him as if he just signed from Barca’s first team
BESNA
are you joshing or does Cousin have an outstanding suspension ?
Reading Wikipedia in the Huns in Manchester quotes….
The following day the British Prime Minister Gordon Brown condemned the rioting,[26] saying it was “a disgrace” and calling the behaviour of the Rangers fans “unacceptable”.[26][27] A spokesman for Scottish First Minister, Alex Salmond said the Rangers fans involved had brought “shame to club and country” and Scottish Conservative leader, Annabel Goldie, said she was “absolutely appalled” by the footage, and condemned the Rangers fans’ behaviour as “horrific and inexcusable”.[28] Stephen Purcell, leader of Glasgow City Council, offered an apology in a Manchester newspaper for 200 hardcore thugs.[29]
Rangers Chief executive Martin Bain stated that the club was “absolutely delighted with the behaviour of our supporters.”[30]”
Well said Martin.
@Lennon n Mc….Mjallby
Please see celticinthesun’s question at 17.26 and
hailholyceltic’s reply at 17.32.
Whyte on Reporting Scotland. Another day, another shambles. Bury these clowns Celtic.
I often think that people confuse religion with what some people do with religion.
Respect religion and beliefs in others.
Apart from that mad Klingon wan…
U
I see some of the more religously minded among you are on the attack. I have my own views but quite frankly its dissappointing that some of you would like to preach to us heathens in the manner you are doing.
Philvis – whats interesting is that you claim that those who do not agree with you are not celtic supporters. I think you need to take a long hard look in the mirror and ask yourself what other group of people in Scotland act in this manner.
I’m going to watch my team Celtic, who I love, (it’s Valentines weekend so I’m allowed), play football tomorrow in Paradise.
I will be joined by several very fine men of a similar persuasion,(nothing in the slightest dodgy there either), who I will meet and greet and rejoice in our team’s current fine run of form. We will hope for Dunfermline to have a resurgence of form as today we believe their presence in the SPL is crucial to Scottish football.
We will then enter Paradise and watch our team, Celtic, take ICT apart.
We, my friends and I, go to watch Celtic for many reasons, each personal to oneself, but all entirely wholesome.
I cannot recall a debate about religion ever taking place in the Gazebo.
Celtic are magnificent.
Celtic are 4 points clear in the SPL.
Celtic are in the League Cup Final.
Celtic have an odds on chance of winning the treble.
We, my friends, should remember this and go support the greatest club in the world tomorrow.
Let others do as they will.
We are Celtic, better than that.
EC67
Braystreet
See my post at 17.58 ;)
Oh dear CW the MBB or MBVC (copyright The Herald lol) “A wholly unreliable witness”. Pay up the £90k for your roof ya chancer.
“A wholly unreliable witness”.
I parphrase!
Apologies if you all knew this. Ive just heard :-D
Sctspatsfan17.56
According to some comments on here today,the Church has a hard job in their quest to educate the masses.
PFayr says:
10 February, 2012 at 18:02
BESNA
are you joshing or does Cousin have an outstanding suspension ?
His last game for der hun was against us at Celtic Park.
After 72mins of elbowing, he drew blood from Caldwell as early as the 12min, the ref ???? eventually should him his 2nd yellow for elbowing Mc,Manus.
He was sold to Hull the next day.
So he has a 1 match ban to serve here in the SPL.
But…
Dont worry as the ref ???? even things up within minutes by showing JVH a straight red for a girlie off the ball kick on a hun only minutes after coming on as a sub.
‘i love beating the hearts’ on clyde
From the fishell Celtic FC site, tomorrow is Music Day at CP.
Two bands playing
The Soviets and The BibleCode Sundays.
Talk about an eerie coincidence when we are thrashing out the conundrum that is religion on CQN.
BTW the big teasers at CP also announce..
“And before that, at around 2.30pm, London-Irish rockers The BibleCode Sundays make a welcome return Paradise to perform a live set for us – potentially with a very special guest.”
HH
RWE CSC
maccargo
very interesting
perhaps a snapshot of CW
hiding behind the veil of limited companies and always attempting to get something for nothing
the huns have the owner they deserve ..at last
@Lennon n Mc….Mjallby
No problem . . .acknowledged :)
neveralone says:
10 February, 2012 at 17:56
Armed police situation in Buchanan St just up from St Vincent St!
Twitter rumours say hostage situation.
Is it Murray and Whyte? Who is holding who hostage?
£2 ransom for both…
lennie’s achieved a minor miracle of management – oor hughie on clyde
Besna
remember it now
JVOH sent off was soft
Neil Lennon has achieved a minor miracle with the squad in keeping everyone happy” Hugh Keevins.
“Let’s be honest, they’re no over the line yet, this is a big weekend you know” Dazell.
Just a simple question to the bigots of FF etc.
We’ll have all non denominational schools, if you agree to have no orange order or orange walks!
Nope, didn’t think so.
Case closed.
brimmer
Neganon
Not to keep this going,my final words on it but I think there is a big difference in somebody not having an education spiced with religion not having a say on faith schooling to somebody who also has not had a faith based education banging a drum loudly about how wrong it is,that needs to be challenged.