SCVO’s messy rant about Boruc, “our” Weiss and Catholic schools

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My attention was drawn to the Scottish Council for Voluntary Organisations (SCVO) blog yesterday, also covered by Joe O’Rourke on the Association site.  SCVO Director of Pubic Affairs, John Downie, writes about the “proposed bill on sectarianism” but seems to get muddled in his role as a director of SCVO and using SCVO resources to speak as a Rangers fan; in this instance blaming Catholic schools for sectarianism.  How ironic.

Downie writes:

“We’ve previously seen Rangers fans outraged by Celtic goalie Artur Boric crossing himself during games but less bothered – obviously – by about our own players (like Vladimir Weiss last season) doing the same thing.”

“Our own players”!  Is SCVO some closed shop where they talk about Artur Boruc as a “Celtic goalie” and Vladimi Weiss as one of our “own”?

So far, so disturbing, but Downie then uses the article to ride to the rescue with:

“The solution:

Personally, as someone who grew up in the East End of Glasgow and lives in the west of Scotland, I agree with some of what Conservative MSP John Lamont says.  In my opinion one key causes of sectarianism is Scotland continuing to have separate denominational and non-denominational schools.”

So, if only we didn’t have Catholic schools, players like Artur Boruc and “our” Vladimir Weiss would be able to cross themselves free of harassment.  Bizarrely, Downie’s article is subtitled “treating the symptoms not the causes”.  I don’t think he was trying to suggest it’s best to treat the symptoms.

The cause of intolerance is not differences in ethnic, religious or sexuality, it is ignorant bigots.  It is ludicrous to suggest tackling intolerance by assimilating people into some mono-culture.  It’s downright dangerous to blame a minority for intolerance of, and by, them, a sentiment that will only fan the flames of hatred.

The European Examiner reports that various politicians have called for Mr Downie’s removal but SCVO chief exec, Martin Sime, apparently sees nothing wrong in SCVO running a blog discussing one of “our” Rangers players and the “Celtic goalie”, while simultaneously blaming educationally successful faith schools for sectarianism.  SCVO has offered a metaphorical No Surrender to resignation calls.

A brief comment for those who don’t live in Scotland….  Attitudes like this once prevailed but are harder to find these days.  We are a modern, progressive, society, for the most part.

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  1. PF Ayr/BESNA

     

     

    Hootsman today:

     

     

    “It was initially believed Cousin would have to serve a one-match suspension, left over from being sent off in the final game of his first spell at Rangers, but it has emerged he did so by missing Hull City’s first game after he joined them from the Ibrox club.

     

    “I’ve been told he served his suspension by sitting out Hull’s game against Newcastle after leaving us,” said McCoist, “although we are still waiting to have that confirmed 100 per cent.”

     

     

    Looks like he volunteered to serve his suspension elsewhere.

     

     

    Ayeright.CSC

  2. Moonbeams WD. Kano 1000 \o/ Supporting Neil Lennon 100%. on

    googybhoy

     

     

    Being reported as hostage situation in Amarone restaraunt on Nelson Mandela Square and possible bomb threat.

     

     

    MWD

  3. almost wet myself at the start of tonights Clyde SSB. Dalziel tells us Cousin is nearer 35 than 36 so can still be an effective signing.

     

    My goodness he is desperately clutching at straws.

  4. Brimmer – I wish that point would be made over and over and over again by everyone who is ever involved in any discussion on this matter. What is the policing costs of all those marches?

  5. Having met Deeeyelll a few times at charity do’s etc. I can say in all honesty that not only

     

    is he a major hun and not the brightest chap, but he’s actually a funny guy and also gives great rates to haunt a hoose.

     

     

    So not all bad.

     

     

    brimmer

  6. Lennybhoy – aye it was, not really a u2 fan though

     

     

     

    To the folk who asked if I was a hun, away and throw shite at the moon.

  7. ThisIsTheOne

     

     

    can you serve a suspension in an other country?

     

     

    sounds like a hun try on to me ….perhaps Cousin wasn`t selected and they are at it

  8. all celtic fans are the same, no better no worse, celtic was founded by a catholic but for all people of all religions, inclusive, open to all, respect for diversity tolerant etc…

     

     

    the catholic school debate come up all the time with uneducated idiots coming up with lies to cover up hate. cathlic schools do not create hate filled adults, they have been in place longer than anyone posting has lived and thier right is based in parents making choices and having the right to make choices about what type of education thier children receive, if you dont want your children to attend a religious school, its simple, dont send them.

     

     

    it seems the arguement for closing down catholic schools is it causes divide, but with no proof what so ever

     

     

    why dont they just close down churches, temple etc… and force all minorities to attend C of S, in fact force the whole population to attend and burn all catholic bibles/ religious books that you dont like, you bunch of hate mungers

  9. DeniaBhoy says:

     

    10 February, 2012 at 18:16

     

     

    I daresay one of our erstwhile colleagues will have a very good guess at that.

     

     

    The simple questions are always the most effective. Unfortunately our ‘friends’ over the other side are simple in every respect.

     

     

    brimmer

  10. Sir Paul…

     

     

     

    Talkin’ aboot..

     

     

    Blissin’ Wansel.

     

     

    Me..Persoinally..

     

     

    Always..

     

     

    Bliss, Ma Sel’, every time Ma Horse Wins..

     

    when …Ah am At the Track.

     

     

    No jist Wance, but Three Times ..as is Ma Wont.

     

     

    In those Halcyon Days…

     

     

    By Habit, Me and MA Buds, wid ,Inevitably, be found

     

    Staunin’ in the Public Area.. down, at the Rails.. Right oppisite

     

    the Winning Post.

     

     

    Why, Inevitably?

     

     

    Well..Ah suppose, Because, it wiz Oor Habit!

     

     

    Right?

     

     

    Anyway..

     

     

    One Seterday Afternoon, at Hollywood Park..

     

     

    We happened tae Be staunin’ right Next tae..

     

    Mickey Rooney and William Bendix..at oor usual

     

    Spot..

     

     

    Ah hid noticed,before,by the wey, that Mickey and Bendix,

     

    wur also.. Creatures o’ the same Habit as Oorsels..

     

     

    And those Two..Veteran Inveterate… Horse-Players.. wur often seen Staunin, at the Rails

     

    right opposite the Winning Post… at Hollywood Park.

     

     

    We never had engaged those two in Conversation,

     

    as.. They Did not like tae be disturbed.

     

     

    Especially, Mickey.. who is and was and alwiz wull be,

     

    a little… Cheeky son of a Gun…whenevah He goat Disturbed

     

    in Public..by an Over Enthisiastic Fan.. or . Even by a Fan

     

    who wiz.. Under- Enthusiastic!

     

     

    Anyway..

     

     

    Oan That particular day..

     

     

    Ah wiz oan a Roll..

     

     

    Three Times.. Ma Pick . came Romping in…

     

    in Successive Races..

     

     

    Well, Ah Tell you ..Ah wiz in Clover, as ye may expect.

     

    or.. mebbe ye widnae..

     

     

    But, Ah kin assure you that Ma Amazing Successful Run of

     

    Luck.. Hid not gone

     

     

    Un noticed by oor Two Worthies.

     

     

    And..

     

     

    Wnen Ma Horse for the Fourth Race in Succession, came

     

    Striding in.. First.. again…

     

     

    Those Two guys, forgoat awe aboot thur Hing-ups .. aboot

     

    No liking tae be Disturbed in Public..

     

    decided tae dae a wee bit .. Disturbing O’ the Public.

     

    By Themsels, fur a Chinge.

     

     

    Mickey, said tae Me..

     

     

    “Hey, Fellah.. Ye must be winning a Fortune..

     

    Ah see that ye hiv jis Won ,For the FOURTH TIME IN SUCCESSION..

     

    While Bill and Me are coming up .. Zilch, wi oor Picks..

     

     

    Whit is yer secret?”

     

     

    Before, Ah could answer..

     

     

    William Bendix.. Did.

     

     

    “Mickey, Ah know this Guy’s Secret..

     

     

    It is awe Goat tae Dae wi’ .. the Blissin’ of Himsel.

     

    Hiv ye noticed that He diz that very thing.. Each time

     

    that His Horse comes Hame foist”

     

     

    Tae which.. Mickey Replied..

     

     

    “Hey, Bill. Noo ye tell Me!

     

     

    How come a Guid Catholic Like Yersel..

     

    His Never Let Me in oan that Secret?

     

     

    after awe these Years, the we hiv bin together..Playing

     

    the Ponies.. and Losing?”

     

     

    “Well, Mickey..” said Bendix..

     

     

    “The reason the Ah never did Bliss Ma Sel ,whenever,

     

    Ah won..wiz…

     

     

    That Ah didnae Want tae Upset Ye.. knowing

     

    that ye wurnae o’ the same Faith as Masel”

     

     

    “Heck , ” Cried Mickey..

     

     

    ” Tae Hell , wi Ma Feelin’s… If Ah could Pick the Winner o’ Four Races in a Row..

     

    Ah wid Turn a Catholic , The Morrow..”

     

     

    And. We awe Laughed.. and Laughed…

     

     

    And Laughed..

     

     

    True Story.

     

     

    Kojo

     

     

    Still Laughin’

  11. jimmci

     

     

    as the season moves on …what happens as he edges nearer to 36…awe naw

     

     

    what a trumpet Dalziel is and a wee rotten hun to boot

  12. Whytie shafted for £90,000 for a roof

     

     

    Moonbeams makes a comeback questioning the roof dodgers financial takeover of Orc deal

     

     

    Why is he getting involved it was him that done the deal

  13. rangers are stull aguid team and big danbo wull be a brulliant signing fur thum,

     

     

    Aye alright mate…

     

     

    I guess you’ve stopped watching the football..

  14. Moonbeams WD. Kano 1000 \o/ Supporting Neil Lennon 100%. says:

     

     

    10 February, 2012 at 18:15

     

    googybhoy

     

    Being reported as hostage situation in Amarone restaraunt on Nelson Mandela Square and possible bomb threat.

     

     

     

    Cheers mate ……no more inane jokes…..hope it all ends up peacefully.

  15. PF Ayr:

     

     

    Ally‘s checking but apparently so, by ‘sitting out’ a game. (Don’t know if it has to be your first game, or you get to choose though).

  16. Neil Lennon says NO to BESNA!! on

    ThisIsTheOne says:

     

    10 February, 2012 at 18:15

     

    PF Ayr/BESNA

     

     

    Hootsman today:

     

     

    “It was initially believed Cousin would have to serve a one-match suspension, left over from being sent off in the final game of his first spell at Rangers, but it has emerged he did so by missing Hull City’s first game after he joined them from the Ibrox club.

     

    “I’ve been told he served his suspension by sitting out Hull’s game against Newcastle after leaving us,” said McCoist, “although we are still waiting to have that confirmed 100 per cent.”

     

     

    Looks like he volunteered to serve his suspension elsewhere.

     

     

    Ayeright.CSC

     

     

    Cheers.

     

    First i have read that as i refuse to read or buy any msm nonsense.

     

    Well seems im wrong again……

  17. Not being funny (maybe a wee bit)

     

     

    But how come they don’t just send Smeato to Amarone?

     

     

    Just asking.

     

     

    brimmer

  18. I once watched the bible thumpers down at the auld burns howff, what an unholy noise they made innaw, the faithful led a stampede for the emergency exit causing injury for Cadizzy while he was … Erm gaining entry.

     

     

    V

  19. After Whyte losing the case today,and having to pay £80,000.do you think Cousins deal at £7,500 per week will still go ahead

  20. Murray question raised along with the quote from John “Whyte has done more damage to Rangers than Celtic have managed in 120 years”.

  21. Awe_Naw_No_Annoni_Oan_Anaw_Noo on

    Nobody has spoken today apart from the jamboes manager. For a man speaking a foreign language. Brilliant! Beginning to really like him. Hope they go bust soon. So I can curtail that admiration.

     

     

    Mr. Spokesperson very busy today

     

     

    Jamboes still on the HMRC rack

     

     

    Bogging signed without a medical

     

     

    Neil Lennon the only class act in Scotland.

     

     

    Peace be with you.

     

     

    HH

  22. NegAnon2

     

    I do not seek to marginalise those who are not Christian ,I do though see anti Catholicism in some statements earlier in this blog and find it surprising that celtuc fans of any religious faith or not would seek to support an end to catholic schools when this right was enshrined in law in 1918.It would appear that secular Scotland has many faces some if whom appear to be propagating the myth of catholic education being the root cause of sectarianism.I merely comment that to find such views within a celtic blog illustrates the pervading nature of anti Catholicism around us and the need for supporters of this right to be proactive in defending the largest minority in Scotland’s right to keep our schools.

  23. From greghemphill on twitter

     

     

    This guy in Amerone probably said “I’m a bam” and someone misheard him.

  24. BESNA:

     

     

    I googled after your question, and consider myself to have ‘taken one for the team’ by giving their website a hit.

     

     

    HH

  25. Awe_Naw_No_Annoni_Oan_Anaw_Noo on

    “Dear God, you made many, many poor people. I realize, of course, thatit’snoshametobepoor. But it’s no great honoreither! So, what would have been so terrible if I had a small fortune?”

     

     

    If I were a rich man, Yubby dibby dibby dibby dibby dibby dibby dum. All day long I’dbiddy biddy bum. If I were a wealthy man. I wouldn’t have to work hard. Ya ha deedle deedle, bubba bubba deedle deedle dum. If I were a biddy biddy rich, Idle-diddle-daidle-daidle man.

     

     

    I’d build a big tall house with roomsby the dozen, Right in the middle of the town. A fine tin roof with real woodenfloorsbelow. There would be one long staircase just going up, And one even longer coming down, And one more leading nowhere, just forshow.

     

     

    I’d fill my yard with chicks and turkeysand geese and ducks For the town to see and hear. (Insert)Squawking just as noisily as they can. (End Insert) With each loud “cheep” “swaqwk” “honk””quack” Would land like a trumpet on the ear, As if to say “Here lives a wealthy man.”

     

     

    If I were a rich man, Yubby dibby dibby dibby dibby dibby dibby dum. All day long I’dbiddy biddy bum. If I were a wealthy man. I wouldn’t have to work hard. Yubby dibby dibby dibby dibby dibby dibby dum. If I were a biddy biddy rich, Idle-diddle-daidle-daidle man.

     

     

    I’d see my wife, my Golde, looking like a rich man’s wife With a proper double-chin. Supervising meals to her heart’s delight. I see her putting on airs and strutting likea peacock. Oy, what a happy mood she’s in. Screaming at the servants, day and night.

     

     

    The most important men in townwould come to fawn on me! They would ask me to advise them, Like a Solomonthe Wise. “If you please, Reb Tevye…” “Pardon me, Reb Tevye…” Posing problems that would cross a rabbi’s eyes!

     

     

    And it won’t make one bit of difference if i answer right or wrong. When you’re rich, they think you really know!

     

     

    If I were rich, I’d have the time thatI lack To sit in the synagogue and pray. And maybe have a seat by the Eastern wall. And I’d discuss the holy books with the learned men, several hours everyday. That would be the sweetestthingofall.

     

     

    If I were a rich man, Yubby dibby dibby dibby dibby dibby dibby dum. All day long I’dbiddy biddy bum. If I were a wealthy man. I wouldn’t have to work hard. Idle-diddle-daidle-daidle man.

     

     

    Lord who mad the lionand the lamb, You decreed I should be what I am. Would it spoil some vast eternalplan?If I were a wealthy man

  26. bournesouprecipe on

    WhoooooHoooooooo

     

     

    In the news every night ya wholly unreliable f̶e̶c̶k̶e̶r̶ person that ye are.

  27. Neil Lennon says NO to BESNA!! on

    ThisIsTheOne says:

     

    10 February, 2012 at 18:30

     

    BESNA:

     

     

    I googled after your question, and consider myself to have ‘taken one for the team’ by giving their website a hit.

     

     

    HH

     

     

    Just searched for the Newcastle v Hull game from sepy 16th 2008.

     

    No sign of the gabon elbower in matchday squad.

     

    So looks like im defo wrong again…thats twice now in my 42yrs.

     

     

    LET THE PEOPLE RESEARCH THEIR FACTS!!

  28. Ok red wine lovers get yourself to oddbins. Get a bottle of Bons Ventos 2010. It’s £6 it tastes like a £26 quid bottle. It’s Portuguese and if you don’t like it then bill me. No I take that bit back.

     

     

    But it’s outstanding.

     

     

    Ok back to the bigotry. lol, i’m jesting in case anyone is drinking horlicks and not red wine.

     

     

    brimmer

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