My attention was drawn to the Scottish Council for Voluntary Organisations (SCVO) blog yesterday, also covered by Joe O’Rourke on the Association site. SCVO Director of Pubic Affairs, John Downie, writes about the “proposed bill on sectarianism” but seems to get muddled in his role as a director of SCVO and using SCVO resources to speak as a Rangers fan; in this instance blaming Catholic schools for sectarianism. How ironic.
Downie writes:
“We’ve previously seen Rangers fans outraged by Celtic goalie Artur Boric crossing himself during games but less bothered – obviously – by about our own players (like Vladimir Weiss last season) doing the same thing.”
“Our own players”! Is SCVO some closed shop where they talk about Artur Boruc as a “Celtic goalie” and Vladimi Weiss as one of our “own”?
So far, so disturbing, but Downie then uses the article to ride to the rescue with:
“The solution:
Personally, as someone who grew up in the East End of Glasgow and lives in the west of Scotland, I agree with some of what Conservative MSP John Lamont says. In my opinion one key causes of sectarianism is Scotland continuing to have separate denominational and non-denominational schools.”
So, if only we didn’t have Catholic schools, players like Artur Boruc and “our” Vladimir Weiss would be able to cross themselves free of harassment. Bizarrely, Downie’s article is subtitled “treating the symptoms not the causes”. I don’t think he was trying to suggest it’s best to treat the symptoms.
The cause of intolerance is not differences in ethnic, religious or sexuality, it is ignorant bigots. It is ludicrous to suggest tackling intolerance by assimilating people into some mono-culture. It’s downright dangerous to blame a minority for intolerance of, and by, them, a sentiment that will only fan the flames of hatred.
The European Examiner reports that various politicians have called for Mr Downie’s removal but SCVO chief exec, Martin Sime, apparently sees nothing wrong in SCVO running a blog discussing one of “our” Rangers players and the “Celtic goalie”, while simultaneously blaming educationally successful faith schools for sectarianism. SCVO has offered a metaphorical No Surrender to resignation calls.
A brief comment for those who don’t live in Scotland…. Attitudes like this once prevailed but are harder to find these days. We are a modern, progressive, society, for the most part.
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A further thought..
It will be interesting to see where Whyte gets the money to pay his roof repairs.. !?£86,000..
Might need to sell a player… Or perhaps Cousin will not sign ?
Good morning friends from a damp but currently dry and mild-ish East Kilbride.
Jobo
Am I missing something here?
We are told, from Craig Whyte himself, that Ticketus deposited 24.4m in the bank account of HIS solicitors BEFORE he had actually taken over the club. Are we to believe that a major financial services company agreed to pay such a massive amount into the bank account of a guy who at the time, had not yet bought the company? I could perhaps understand if the money was paid into a Rangers bank account, whereby the money was under the control of whoever owned Rangers at any given time, but to believe that the money was paid into the account of a “prospective” buyer beggars belief.
Except . . . and here’s the rub. . . where the prospective buyer advised the lender that the money was needed to buy the club, and unless he is able to buy the club, there would be no more business coming their way. In other words, Whyte DID use the club’s own money to buy the club. There can be no other explanation.
Obviously the fact that the money was paid into the bank account of Whyte’s solicitor, rather than Whyte’s own bank account, means that if he failed to buy the club, the money would be returned to Ticketus forthwith. Ticketus couldn’t lose. Give Whyte 24.4m, which is great business for them, or miss out.
Also, when Whyte didn’t yet actually own Rangers, Murray did. Whyte claims he had a substantial bill to pay to Ticketus, owed by Murray from previous loans. Murray has now categorically denied this. How many more times is Whyte going to be proved to have lied?
The documentation in the hands of the BBC would appear to exonerate Murray and damn Whyte.
Why is no-one in the media asking these questions?
Unless, as I said at the outset, I am missing something.
Brogan Rogan Trevino and Hogan supports Kano 1000 says:
10 February, 2012 at 22:50
Good Evening.
The press are full of the aftermath and fall out from the Resignation of Fabbio Capello. Well the English Press are. The Scottish lot just don’t know what to do with themselves. They are caught between Alastair Johnstone calling for some kind of enquiry into the Rangers takeover, or reporting on the consequences and possibilities that flow from an absolutely clinical,skillful and ruthless performance by Celtic at Tynecastle.
All three stories are newswworthy. All three stories miss the point.
In England, The FA decided to act decisively. They removed the captains armband from John Terry on the basis that he could no longer function properly in the role of England captain while awaiting trial on charges of racially abusing another player.
In contrast, The Scottish FA do nothing whatsoever to stem the ever increasing discord that surrounds the fate and the past of Rangers PLC. They announce no investigation into their past management practices, their current financial position, nor their seemingly limitless ability to avoid paying taxes. When they do enquire about something– such as whether the current chairman of Rangers is a fit and proper person– any such enquiry goes on that long that it has its own fully fledged beard!!
Admittedly, no charges have been brought against Rangers or any of their Directors. On the other hand, the appropriate tax authorities have just completed a lengthy set of hearings which have at their heart the allegation that Rangers Directors deliberately set about maintaining a scheme solely designed to avoid taxes over a prolonged period– thus putting every other club in Scotland- of all divisions– at a distinct disadvantage. As for the current chairman, I am not sure what he has to do to demonstrate that he is not a fit and proper person. I could list the currently known corporate anomalies—the disqualification, the circumstances surrounding the disqualification, the lack of accounts, the missed deadlines, the non payment of tax and so on. As I say I could list them—but I am in fear that it could become a lifelong enterprise and to be honest I have other hobbies and things on my bucket list thanks very much.
It seems to me that no matter which association you look at, FA or SFA, both bodies and many if not all of the commentators miss the point.
Can you imagine the likes of Jock Stein, Brian Clough or Jack Charlton allowing an FA committee to decide who will or will not be the captain of the team on the field? Not in a million years. The manager chooses the captain– end of discussion there and then.
All three would have taken command of the Terry situation completely differently. Stein famously jettisoned Tommy Gemmell for his infamous decision to kick Helmut Haller up the arse. Clough, banned and banished players, fans, journalists, chairmen and just about anyone else for various matters and Charlton once announced that he was away for a Guinness rather than even suffer a discussion about who did what. Charlton just decided things and you could like it or lump it. he would be in the pub.
Equally, none of those gentlemen were ever slow to point out perceived injustice and or cheating. Stein had his players tip Inter of their seats for being presumptious, Clough steamed into Don Revie on national TV… and Charlton well he got anyone with the remotest hint of Irish blood to play for him and then.. went back to the pub. Stein openly told his players they had to beat both the opposition and the officials on the park, In the modern age he would have been fined and brought before numerous disciplinary committees for such comments. I,for one, would have paid good money to be a spectator at any such hearing.
The FA, as usual, get their panties in a bunch and decide to show the world that they are the most important Football Association in the world and that not even the manager of the national team has a say on the captaincy if they so choose! They are so keen to act and to do the right thing—apparently.
Meanwhile, in this neck of the woods, it would appear that you can appear in courts more often than Andy Murray and it is of no concern to the SFA. Rangers have been sued by former Directors, former solicitors, Government departments and more than the odd supplier. Allegations have been openly made about Rangers players and Directors being paid through the unlawful use of EBT’s. Such EBT’s were closely linked to the company which was once operated by their former chairman– although he no longer appears to control MIH which has effectively been repossessed by the bank.
Yet, last week the Chief Exec of the SFA – Stewart Regan- tweeted away that everything Rangers was just an allegation– nothing had been proved yet– and so on. Then unbelievably, he tweeted that Celtic and Rangers draw money into the SPL and that one has to look at the overall good and interest of football when looking at sanctions etc.
Lastly he posed the direct question. Do Celtic not need Rangers?
And here again the press miss the point. In fact even Celtic slightly miss the point.
You see I don’t understand at all the argument that Celtic need Rangers.
Historically, there is no case for such an argument. When Celtic started out and played their first game against Rangers Swifts, there was no great rivalry between the teams and clubs. As you all know, the Rangers team and management all came back to St Mary’s hall for a celebration after the game.- Can’t imagine that today– can you?
John Cairney says in his most recent book that it was only when the Rangers club was hijacked by folk coming from Northern Ireland who wanted a “Protestant” club to combat the supposedly Catholic Celtic– that the weird sectarian rivalry started.
Surely nobody in Scotland or elsewhere wants that social malign to remain? So on that basis– where is the attraction of Rangers for Celtic on a social basis? Indeed where is the attraction of Celtic to Rangers on the same basis? Where is the attraction of a Celtic and Rangers for Scotland if they only exist in that social environment?
So Historically and socially there is no need.
Football wise the two have dominated Scottish Football, with all others occasionally coming to the fore. But if Rangers weren’t there, then someone else would challenge and step up or if Celtic were a shoe in for Champions League qualification each year, then a big part of the year and a big part of the club’s outlook would be building a team that can take you as far as possible in that competition.
Also it has always been said that attendances go up when a team is winning. Hibs being relegated is often cited in support of this. Other statistics are thrown up to back this up.
Well if that is the case, why would Celtic’s numbers decrease because of no Rangers? Yet that is what we are told will surely happen, because Celtic fans would get bored without the rivalry with a strong Rangers . Ask any Celtic fan at Tynecastle the other night if they were get bored seeing that type of performance? As far as I recall, Rangers were not playing!
There is great focus on what happens to Scottish Football should Rangers go to the wall. I believe this is the wrong question. What opportunities exist should Rangers suffer insolvency—that is the smart question. For some clubs there is a chance to achieve a status and a position that is not regularly attained. European football is far more likely on a regular basis for some. Young players at provincial clubs will not have their heads turned and leave early because Rangers and Sir Minty’s chequebook came calling—and that was a distinct and detrimental practice for many clubs and indeed players in the past. There are undoubted positives.
For Celtic, I think the opportunities to look at football and the fanbase itself are huge. There is a real opportunity to concentrate in re-engaging with their fans on the non football front. Get players and ex players out to schools and social clubs and focus on community liason. Increase the charity focus at the club—something I know is being looked at already—and capitalise on both the history of the club and its reputation for being a unique club throughout the world.
In short it is time for Brand Celtic. For too long, the commercial mentality of others has determined that where there is a Celtic there is a Rangers and vice versa. That is a situation that has long annoyed the Celtic fanbase. That commercial notion and a desire to be seen to tackle the sectarian problem that exists in some quarters, has meant that in the eyes of the public the clubs are inextricably linked in every way.
Not only does it not need to be that way, but to be honest it should simply not be that way. Certainly not from a commercial view as Celtic has more than enough going for it to stand alone in any market.
Football Associations have a tendency to want to control and influence almost every aspect of a club or a situation—whether they do that by being over active or by being virtually comatose in the face of what appears to be overwhelming irregularity on al fronts.
As a commercial and social entity, Celtic should simply not tolerate the notion espoused by some that they will act for the good of the game and society—and drag Celtic along with them—especially where that means a shoring up and a maintenance of the current Celtic/Rangers rivalry and relationship. It is for Celtic to determine what is good for them, not others, and it is for Celtic to determine in what if any capacity they “need” Rangers—and that is with no disrespect to all decent Rangers fans and those who would choose to run the Ibrox club properly and with integrity.
It is just time to lance a boil.
In this instance it is time to most definitely walk alone—contrary to one of our most famous anthems. When it comes to this all burning question of Celtic and Rangers, then I am in the ourselves alone camp—and yes I know there will be some who latch onto that phrase but it hits the mark in this instance.
WE are Celtic, we were founded for charitable and good purposes, we play football and seek to entertain wherever we go. We welcome all visitors, all opponents on the park and off, and we play within the rules of football and life. We support with a song and a smile, and in numbers throughout every corner of the world.
On that basis, we are at least among the best, if not the best, at what we do.
That should be our message and our marketing strategy in 2012– it is a message and a claim that belongs to no one else!
Morning all tims on the Lenny 100 day. I seldom post because the contributions are rich enough without my chippings. Taking 3 sons and 2 debutant nephews to game today, and huge thanks go out to Dannybhoy who has offered us 3 child and one adult ticket in the Jock Stein stand. Nephews jumping!! Maybe get a photo for The View. Looking forward to a beer in BB before tanking the Invernesians (no love despite being from the same county as Morar). Cqn been part of my life for over 6 years now, and I’d like to mention the Fat Bhoy Slim Club, bunch of great guys that have helped me to the lightest I’ve been in probably 5 years, and counting! Off out on my bike for an hour now before some nice red Asda jelly for breakfast, purchased by my oldest last night!
Hail hail, yes, bring us home Lenny!!
Good morning friends from a damp but currently dry and mild-ish Jersey.
Thanks Jobo, I wasn’t sure how to word it :-))
mickthetic says:
11 February, 2012 at 08:55
13 goals in 44 appearances, less than 1 in every 3 games.
Paddy Gallagher –
it can be best summarised as a good day for a game.
Jobo
Jobo Baldie says:
11 February, 2012 at 09:21
Good man yerself bud, feel good factor is certainly back to the club. No slagging certain players, everybody behind NL and even PL getting a quiet time.This is one phenomenal team Neil is building and it is a pleasure to watch.
BRT&H
Stunning stuff,as ever.
Don’t think you’ll get too many arguments either.
Morarbhoy –
If that post is anything to go by, I really look forward to many more contributions from you.
Hail Hail
MurdochauldandHay says:
11 February, 2012 at 09:05
Check out the last sentence in this article
“He has been a member of the Old Firm club since leaving school.”
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I suspect the point you were making is that a report on a Rangers player in court has sought to make a connection to the “Old Firm”.
However, that sentence seems to confirm there is only one club in THE “Old Firm”. And it ain’t us.
The game is not on Aussie TV tonight. Only the Dunfermline v Rangers game is being broadcast. I will watch Man U v Liverpool, while flicking over to keep in touch with the score at East End Park.
Glad to say that the quality from Celtic TV has improved dramatically over recent months, so will watch the Celtic game live with them.
3-0 Celtic.
Morning Bhoys from a damp, overcast ML3.
Having a wee break from the Celtic this weekend and taking the missus to the Lake District for a couple of nights. To all of you going to the quiz, have a smashing time and remember the worthwhile cause that you’re supporting.
Brogan Rogan Trevino and Hogan supports Kano 1000 @ 09:15
Good post as always.
Can I add that there are also clubs outwith Scotland who have a cause for complaint against the huns in European competition in recent years, not only because they shouldn’t have been given the licence to compete in Europe, but that the financing of their team was (QED) seriously suss. It is not just us that they diddled out of millions during their “illicit” ventures into Europe.
hamiltontim –
How can you have a weekend away from Celtic at such a time?
Are you a Hun?
BRTH
Fantastic way to begin a long weekend. Terrific writing, salient points, succinct.
Our community is better for your contributions.
I’m really looking forward to today’s match. I believe Paradise will be joyful today and an early goal will make for an enthusiastic following of the faithful.
I would not presume to suggest a starting 11, as Lenny has proved perfectly capable of callling those shots himself, although I do wish for a Broonie 5 in a row.
Gazebo time should be excellent with or without an above Par performance in the early KO.
Great, only a few hours now.
EC67
hamiltontim says:
11 February, 2012 at 09:36
Safe journey amigo.
Tom
I was thinking about that last week. I wonder if it was possible for that money to “show” in his bank, but with restrictions on his ability to actually withdraw it until such times that the club was signed over to him for the sum of £1. At this point he has access but it is now secured against Murray Park?
Or did he simply have a “friend/ businessman” deposit the money so that it showed, then buy the club and return it and secure the new stadium he had acquired against a £24m loan from Ticketus?
He is very reluctant to have those accounts signed off, or have his purchase investigated. Johnston and Murray are now eager to have the purchase investigated. The only reason for them doing this is surely to see where that £24m came from? It has to be their only point of contention?
If he did borrow from a friend, buy the club, pay his friend back, and borrow from Ticketus, then he has indeed bought the club for £1. He is a creditor, one of the first in the queue I believe, so he will walk away with Millions if the admin goes thro. Where is that £24m stashed that he got from Ticketus It simply has to be the money he paid the bank with? The bank debt clears, he has spent £1, and to avoid the tax penalty he just goes into admin and collects a tidy sum?
Probably some of the more financially astute amongst you will come on and blow that theory to pieces but it is the only theory that seems plausible?
BRTH –
Thanks for that.
Superb!
Morning gents. Still trying to find a Celtic friendly pub between Hammersmith and Kensington that will show the match today. Any help would be appreciated. Not much luck with Celtic Bars.com. Hail hail.
hamiltontim says:
11 February, 2012 at 09:36
Morning Bhoys from a damp, overcast ML3.
Having a wee break from the Celtic this weekend and taking the missus to the Lake District for a couple of nights.
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Are you bringing her back ?
So we might get a look at Ibrahim today. Hopefully Lenny will give him at least half an hour to show what he can do in the middle (ie not in the wings.)
Police trying to talk Craig Whyte out of Glasgow city centre restaurant siege, reports claim he lost it when the waiter offered him jelly and ice cream
WOULD SCOTLAND MISS RANGERS.
Written by Desmond Kane today for btyahoo..
Of all the quotes that can be regurgitated relating to the darker side of Rangers and a helping of the imbeciles that have clamped themselves to the Glasgow club seemingly since time began, Ian Archer’s musings remain perhaps the most pertinent. It was penned over 30 years ago. “This has to be said about Rangers, as a Scottish football club they are a permanent embarrassment and an occasional disgrace. This country would be a better place if Rangers did not exist,” wrote Archer, who latterly worked on the now departed television programme Scotsport, in a Glasgow newspaper.
What was exceptional about Archer’s heartfelt words is that they were scribbled down during some of the finer moments in Rangers’ history, specifically alluding to a night when they snagged the old European Cup Winners’ Cup in Barcelona in 1972 with a 3-2 victory over Dynamo Moscow. As a piece of newspaper prose, it was ahead of its time.
Inspired by beers and cheap wine while being firmly planted in Spain, a Roman Catholic country at odds with the anti-Catholic signing policy once employed by Rangers and endorsed by its supporters, a furious rump of followers battled with riot police in the Camp Nou amid their team’s rise to clasp the only European trophy in the club’s history.
It will be argued that the heavy-handedness of local police made the riots in Barcelona eminently preventable, but then Rangers seem to have spent large swathes of their past defending the extremist behaviour of those who masquerade as football fans. The blame always seems to fall on others.
In a taxing period when a case with HMRC threatens to capsize the club with over £50 million of debt, it is perhaps Karma as much as unpaid taxes and gross financial mismanagement that has left Rangers facing the trap door. Rangers may well be left to pay the price for the sins of the father, with or without his sash, and their inability to drive out the rancid element that has tailed them.
They range from their highly inflammatory position in shying away from signing Catholics, the racist and sectarian songs sung by some followers of the club, the orange shirts wheeled out a decade ago as a “Dutch tribute ” marketing ploy and the wretched riots in Manchester when a big screen television went on the blink. These are just some of the episodes that have tarnished not only the Rangers brand, but the image of Scotland as a tolerant country.
Scottish football may be left impoverished by a league without Rangers, but will society? Should society feel a certain sadness towards the plight of Rangers?
While the Scottish Premier League, satellite television and perhaps even twitchy Celtic directors would lament the loss of the income that Rangers generate, a progressive Scotland may feel differently.
At a time when Scotland’s first minister Alex Salmond is trying to drive forward the idea of an independent, progressive, multicultural, multi-faith Scotland – a rainbow nation of Scots – the country’s national sport is perhaps the last public haunt for the miserably uneducated. This was seen and heard when Hearts and Celtic exchanged lamentable ditties on Wednesday evening that continues to illustrate the deep-seated anti-Catholic sentiment that exists in pockets of Scotland. The strained old IRA choruses were heard from the visiting end amid the pestilence. Tramps behave better.
Celtic supporters are plagued by their own unsavoury band, but have always been uncomfortable with the Old Firm tagline that they continue to share with Rangers. The racists who have used Rangers to further their warped ideology will remain intact, even if Ibrox does not after the tax hearing has been played out. This would be a tragedy for a club with so much potential.
For the decent Rangers fans, progressive people, who follow their club only as a football team, there is a genuine sympathy at how departed owner Sir David Murray allowed the club to fall into such a state, but there are too many who have been allowed to hijack the good name of Rangers to further their own ideals away from a sporting context. For them, there will be no sympathy.
Rangers may well survive in some form if they fall into administration, which would be heartening for the national sport, but would clubs outwith Glasgow such as Aberdeen, Hearts, Hibernian, Dundee United or Dundee be sorry to see them go?
To the ones who sing songs about child abuse and the Irish Potato Famine, it is difficult to argue that the air would not be cleaner if their club stops. “And because some people are so sick, I have to put six words at the end of this column,” wrote Archer. “I am not a Roman Catholic.”
TT
I see some of you good men are trying to make sense of and understand the financial dealings of CW. I suspect a few lawyers and forensic accountants will be doing the same soon. DM is very quiet or at least his ‘bought’ reporters are which I find a bit unnerving. Strange that an individual that had so much to say that he even started his own newspaper should fall so quiet. I posted last week that I wondered if the ex directors were plotting a comeback from a bunker in deepest Ayrshire, many a true word in jest. A ‘patsy’ in my mind is someone who is unwittingly set up. I am beginning to think accomplice.
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She’s very supportive of all my excursions following Celtic home and away so she deserves a wee treat now and then (and it builds up brownie points for the run in to the title!!)
Paddy G
Thank you amigo, hope you’re well.
Ron Bacardi
Depends. If there’s an adverse score at Parkhead this afternoon She may find herself acting as a buoy in Derwentwater :-))
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This comment under the above article say’s it all really.
It is from Sharon from Bolton.
‘as an english person experiencing rangers and celtic fans at first hand in manchester, i would have celtic fans anyday of the week, the threats and bile issued to we bar staff by rangers fans was appalling, I am a protestant but the celtic fans would be welcome in our bar any time but never again rangers fans, how can two sets of people from the same city be so different celtic fans seem to be out to enjoy themselves, and rangers fans seem to be out for trouble.
the rangers fans also sing rule brittannia and god save the queen , but as a royalist i would rather they were not aligned to us.’
TT
hamiltontim –
Well quite!
Tom McLaughlin says:
11 February, 2012 at 09:34
Are you sure it’s not on Tom? I thought I saw it on the listing before I went out tonight.
Some great posts here and on RTC last night.
Here are some things to remember and repeat to any doubters.
“WE are Celtic, we were founded for charitable and good purposes, we play football and seek to entertain wherever we go. We welcome all visitors, all opponents on the park and off, and we play within the rules of football and life. We support with a song and a smile, and in numbers throughout every corner of the world.
On that basis, we are at least among the best, if not the best, at what we do.
That should be our message and our marketing strategy in 2012– it is a message and a claim that belongs to no one else!”
“Whatever part of my club depends on Rangers is a part I am willing to lose”
and
“Scottish football has only been competitive in the last ten seasons because Rangers have cheated.”
And this post in its entirety. If Jonathan Swift were alive today, and aloowed himself the odd diversion into Scottish football, he might have written this.
Babylon FC
hamiltontim says:
11 February, 2012 at 09:55
Enjoy your break mate…
Keep the Faith!
Hail Hail!
TimsonOhio: THE COCK TAVERN in Euston
Tom
Glad you are back posting, I noticed in a post the other day that you were interested in the Kennedy assassination, I bought the Mafia killed Kennedy by Davia A Schiem, wondered if you had read it and would recommend it if you haven’t. HH
I am taking my son to his first Celtic game today. I think I might be more excited than he is; he is seven and I am not. It will be his choice but I hope that it will be a road that will always rise up to meet him. And the Glasgow Celtic will be there.
Chris
Gordan J
Come to think of it, was it levein who reacted angrily to the discussions about cel/ran entering an Atlantic league saying it was arrogant to include cel/ran , what about aberdeen, d utd etc. ? Where’s that argument now ? The arrogance to think a failed entity could be represented in all but name.