Not one of you will be surprised at reports this morning that Celtic escaped punishment for “sectarian chanting” when the club and its fans were not, and never have been, accused of sectarian behaviour. Last month one Irish title suggested Celtic fans stood accused of racism before amending their online content to read sectarianism and eventually paying enough attention to zone in on “offensive chanting”. If they’re going to make things up, I really would prefer they accused us of something a bit more original in Scottish football, like genocide. Ironically it would be less offensive.
Celtic have been open to all since its inception and are supported by groups right across Scottish society in increasing numbers. It’s the other lot, you know, them, who brought sectarian practices into the game. From Neil McCallum, our first goal scorer, to Gary Hooper, our last, Celtic have never had this peculiar social deficiency. Never.
The SPL decision not to act against Celtic, after a Strathclyde Police match commander complained, was assured, as Celtic could demonstrate they had previously taken action “all reasonably practicable steps” to prevent what the league called “chanting in support of the IRA”. Both Neil Lennon and Peter Lawwell have spoken in unequivocal terms on this subject in recent weeks.
The league goes on to say, “Such behaviour is unacceptable and unwelcome at SPL matches.” All the league have done here is pitched the ball back into Celtic’s court to prevent a reoccurrence. I don’t fancy that job.
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!!Bada Bing!! says:
6 December, 2011 at 16:27
Got Yourself McGinn – Alabama 3 (Sopranos theme)
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Have you ever watched anything else on the TV?
vogue
pretty sure it was a straight red.
Remember this was about time the Chief Executive of the SFA was on a personal crusade to rid the world of divers like Mikolunis and McGeady.
His name… Gordon Duffield Smith.
Pretty silent on this issue, eh?
3 Aways…
Valencia to beat Chelsea 4/1, Marseille to beat Dortmund 4/1, Arsenal to beat Olympiacos 14/5
Ridiculous odds im having a bit of that.
Hughes sorry now ?
Paddy Mr Bhoy is that the Chatanooga choo choo..
Glen Miller.
Ok taxi..
This is a real song bhoys and girls…quite topical methinks…Ridin for a Fall
by Eddie Smith
Actually good name for a band….. Eddie Smith and the Match Commanders..wonder if DBBIA saw em at the Burns Howff?
Celtforlife.
I looked back at the match reports for the game and it was a second yellow.
Imagine double dougie was still around.
Paddy me Bhoy…….still rubbish..
McGrainfather’s Clock
Stein Alive.
Mick says:
6 December, 2011 at 16:23
I would say that if the alloy has a whole in it then it would be safer to replace the wheel. There are specialists that repair alloy wheels but it can be expensive and depending on what car ir is you drive might not be cost effective to get it repaired.
I deal with these guy’s on a regular basis http://www.pristinealloywheels.co.uk/, they are, for me, the best around and offer a pick up and return service.
Hail Hail
Should I McStay Or Should I Go?
The oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooollllllllllllle Burns Howff?
Never heard of it.
Mick says at 16:23
Entirely depends on the condition of the alloy.
If you have some surface corrossion only – most likely inside the rim – then refurbishment works very well. Costs about £50 for a new coating per wheel.
I used a mob in Cambuslang recently. Decent folk, good service, terrific results.
See http://www.wheelcentre-scotland.co.uk/
Takes 3 or 4 days though, so you need a spare which you can rent for a couple of quid if necessary.
If the other wheels are dinged too think about getting the set done.
On the other hand, if the wheel is cracked you’ll need to buy a replacement.
Second hand are easy to come by, but phone the folk above and they’ll give you the gen.
TBB
Mahe the…..,
“But yet to me something just wouldnt be right. We are a Scots/Irish club who many purists will believe should never ally ourselves with anything Brittania , and its hard not to agree. We wouldnt be welcome in many place’s we would travel to thats for sure.”
Sorry pal, got to laugh at that one, we’re right at home here eh :o)
Completely disagree, england is the only place worth moving for in the current climate, Eire would actually be a step down from here, and as for being unwelcome, thats what makes it exciting. IMO.
hail hail
Neil canamalar Lennon hunskelper extrordinaire says:
6 December, 2011 at 16:07
Thanks for the response.
I think we’re agreeing that something needs to be done, if we don’t do something independently, something will be forced on us, whether that be legislation or this “independent commission” in the press this afternoon or even the plc doing/saying something.
I agree with you that there is a problem with verification of the voting, ensuring the votes are relevant and valid. With this in mind there is only one real unique reference for Celtic supporters, and that is your season ticket number. There will be shareholders who are not fans and to be frank season ticket holders are in the main, the only Celtic supporters affected and have input into chanting at games (home and away), I do accept there will be exceptions with this but we need a general rule.
Therefore, a website where you enter your vote on songs with your season ticket number being the unique reference. This could then be verified if necessary. There is conditions around data protection etc could included which would ensure access to data for verification if necessary.
So technically it is possible – quite easily. This then leads to the options for voting. To me this could be done with a full extensive song list with yes/no boxes possibly even a “yes, but I wouldn’t sing” box, or more general sections ie Songs wich mention IRA, Irish songs with no reference to IRA, this would need some further thought and input on how the questions were phrased.
So from you saying it is impossible you can quite quickly see that it is possible. We should be deciding our own future, not being dictated to by authorities or even our board what they deem to be acceptable chants from the Celtic support. The Celtic support have always had very strong morals as a group and individually, we can decide ourselves, democratically what we feel is appropriate and what isn’t. As someone mentioned earlier – it is us they detest and simply banning songs will make no difference it will simply be the first step in an erosion of everything we are. It is entirely different us deciding our own future, telling everyone else, here is the songs we’ll sing and defend our right to sing, this is not for negotiation. Here is the chants we’ve dropped – NOT BECAUSE THEY’RE ILLEGAL, this is a democratic decision made by XXXXX number season ticket holders.
Is this better than continually fighting bad legislation and a continual erosion. A line in the sand, a marker decided by and for the fans – not forced upon us by outside agencies.
Hopefully it kind of makes sense, irrespective whether or not you agree with it.
hh
bjmac
Seasonal theme
“Let it Sno, let it Sno, let is Sno”
HH
/Bishop B
Aluko 2 game ban SSN
The Honest Mistake says:
6 December, 2011 at 16:35
Can you recall what the first yellow was for?
yep.
Irish songs with no reference to IRA
-‘Nothing Compares 2 U’
where did that yep come from???
Vogue- you been pannin’ windaes in doon Toryglen way?
jobcreationcsc
DBBIA..have I got the wrong guy? :)
Jungle Jim says:
6 December, 2011 at 15:29
‘From The Evening Times
A suspension for the former Aberdeen man would be a huge blow for McCoist as the recent signing has brought much-needed creativty to the Rangers side’
Creativity? That’s one word for it.
Maybe he could help out with preparing the accounts while he’s suspended.
ernie lynch says:
6 December, 2011 at 16:53
Maybe he could help out with preparing the accounts while he’s suspended.
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I’m sure no additional creativity is required.
DBBIA
Thanks for the praise ;-) – I’m taking it that way anyway!
celtictom and The Battered Bunnet
Thanks for the advice. Yes there is a hole on the inside of the wheel (a couple of mill).
The mechanic used to ol soppy water to show me where the air was coming from,looks like a new wheel for me…just before Christmas though needs must I suppose.
ISWNRTIRA-
‘Caravan’
Johann Murdoch- possibly. It was the 70s.
Bjmac,
again back to the same problems verification and interference from the board, I doubt very much the board would offer verification information without a major input into how the questions are asked, and that will always be the problem, the board have no interest in the real issues, money (amon) is their only concern. How to appease their god :o) and celebrate collecting his offerings. innit:oD)))))
dirtymac at 16:49
First booking was for a foul on Derek Riordan. This was Celtic’s 2nd foul of the day. By that stage (20th minute), Hibs had committed 6 fouls.
Mort
I can’t believe no wants come up with a ditty for legned Wayne Biggins
A Wayne in a manger
Or
Walker on
V
Dbbia,
is that no an american song ??
I though that was written by prince, formerly known as no prince formerly known as prince ??
formerlyknownasprinceCSC
ISWNRTIRA-
‘She Moved Through the Fair’ [ a favourite of my dad]
Dontbrattbakkinanger says:
6 December, 2011 at 16:55
Ok will ask my mum about it then…..:)
Excuse the spelling…. iPhone twubble
V
From the SFA website …. people, be no longer in doubt. The legislation, all of it, this is about Celtic fans.
WHERE IS OUR CLUB? ARE THEY JUST BENDING OVER FOR THIS?
“The Joint Action Group on football has met for the final time this year and has given a commitment that further work will continue throughout 2012, as it published a report on the progress which has been made to deliver upon wide-ranging recommendations to improve the game.
The meeting at Hampden Park was hosted by Justice Secretary Kenny MacAskill and involved partners from Strathclyde Police, the Scottish Football Association, the Scottish Premier League, the Scottish Football League, Celtic Football Club and Rangers Football Club.
Minister for Community Safety and Legal Affairs Roseanna Cunningham and Minister for Commonwealth Games and Sport Shona Robison were also in attendance.
The Joint Action Group said that ‘welcome progress’ had been made so far to drive forward work to deliver upon the eight commitments agreed at the recent summit, and announced that further work will continue throughout 2012.
Speaking following the meeting, Stewart Regan, Scottish FA Chief Executive said:
“The progress made by the Joint Action Group highlights the commitment of all stakeholders to improve behaviours in football. We have united to achieve many of the original 41 action points from the group’s meeting in July and will continue to work together to publish a Code of Conduct for Scottish football. This will be implemented in time for the start of the 2012/2013 season, in partnership with the professional leagues and supporters.
“The Scottish FA has been a committed member and advocate of the group and we believe that the achievements made will allow us to promote the many positive aspects of Scottish football, in line with our own Focus on Football campaign.”
The key achievements since the JAG was established in March include:
Football taking the lead in tackling unacceptable conduct – supported by: the establishment of an Independent Judicial Panel by the Scottish FA to handle all sanctioning and quasi judicial functions of the Scottish FA; a review of the role of SPL Match Delegates placing a greater emphasis on reviewing off-pitch events, such as crowd behaviour which is helping to improve standards, identify and share good practice around tackling unacceptable supporter conduct. SPL taking the lead in an anti-Domestic abuse campaign, working with local domestic abuse charities to provide children affected by domestic abuse with positive experiences.
Greater consistency in the way football is policed in Scotland – supported by: the establishment of the Football Co-ordination Unit in Scotland (FoCUS); the development of a National Training Strategy for Policing at Football; ongoing operations to prevent alcohol-related disorder including targeting supporters buses to restrict the availability of alcohol before and after football matches and a pilot initiative to effectively enforce licensing legislation.
Partnership working between police and football clubs and authorities – supported by: the establishment of a formal process between ACPOS and SPL to enhance mutual understanding of fixture scheduling issues, helping all parties to identify potentially problematic fixtures; the development of a standard national information sharing protocol – to improve communication between Scottish FA member clubs and their local police forces so that information about individuals or incidents causing concern can be shared and appropriate action taken; Match Commander briefings delivered to all SPL and SFL clubs ensuring players, managers, coaches are aware of their legal responsibilities and the impact their behaviour can have on the crowd.
The Joint Action Group has also approved a number of proposals to tackle unacceptable supporter conduct which, if approved by SPL member clubs later this month, will be in place for the start of season 2012/13. These are:
Amendments to the SPL Unacceptable Conduct Rules, expanding the definition of unacceptable conduct to include song/chants/behaviour referring to terrorist organisations;
Amendments to the SPL Guidance associated with these rules, raising the standards by which SPL clubs will be expected to comply with regards to tackling unacceptable conduct. This will include a requirement for clubs to provide interim and annual reports to the SPL detailing actions taken to prevent unacceptable supporter conduct and the steps taken following any breaches.
Establishment of an Independent Commission which will review reported breaches of the Unacceptable Conduct Rules and will have the power to apply a wide range of sanctions where a breach of these rules is found. This commission will be chaired by an advocate or solicitor of at least 10 years standing.
To provide supporters with the opportunity to positively influence developments in this area, JAG representatives and Supporters Direct Scotland will work in partnership with supporters to develop a national fans charter, setting out a positive vision for Scottish football, highlighting the important and positive role that supporters play in this. This Charter, intended to apply to every football club, will be supported by a robust communications campaign, ensuring clear and consistent messages are shared with supporters and other stakeholders. It is intended that this Charter will be in place for the start of season 2012/13.”
Vmhan – Supporting Lenny & the Green Brigada! says:
Re Wayne bhoy
“When they biggin the biggin..”