We’ve not really discussed the enormous political and disciplinary matters hanging over Scottish football since before our Champions League campaign got underway but it moves to the fore today, as the SPL Commission, headed by Lord Nimmo Smith, sits to consider charges levelled by the league against former member, Rangers FC. The Commission is expected to conclude by the end of this week.
Rangers are charged with improperly registering players by allowing footballers to enter into contractually binding agreements to receive money in connection with the game, directly or indirectly, without registering these agreements with the SPL or the SFA.
Playing an improperly registering footballer voids the result of a match, no matter how innocuous the registration impropriety is, as Spartans discovered 14 months ago to their cost. They saw their Scottish Cup win over Culter overturned because a player’s registration form was dated only once, not twice as required.
As well as being awarded a 0-3 defeat, the improper registration of players will cost the offending club any prize money ‘won’ and will result in a disciplinary measure being imposed. Spartans were fined £4000, approximately 20% of their annual income, and were suspended from the competition for 12 months. A steep tariff for leaving a box on a form empty and fielding a player in one game of football.
Lots of speculation has centred on the so-called ‘stripping of titles’ but in the event the Commission upholds the charge the voiding of results will happen as a matter of consequence; it should not subject to speculation. What is more interesting is the size of prize money the league would seek to reclaim, and redistribute, and any penalty imposed by the Commission.
SPL teams receive prize money based on their final league position, funded by the league’s TV deal, which for teams finishing in the top two positions is well in excess of £1m each year. Any ‘stripping of titles’ is likely to be a headline grabber, but the repayment of prize money and disciplinary measures will be far more significant, for some.
Sir David Murray, who owned Rangers throughout the period of alleged improper registration of players, insists the club registered all contractually binding payments players received in connection with playing football. SFA president, Campbell Ogilvie, was an executive director of Rangers for some of the period under investigation and may have been responsible for some registrations.
Charles Green rejected an offer to limit the consequences of the charge being upheld in return for his company (then called Sevco 5088 Ltd) acquiring the SFA membership vacated by Rangers. We will soon discover if he is master of the Cunning Plan or an over-ambitious gambler.
I expect calls for SPL and SFA rules to be upheld without fear or favour to be met.
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Canamalar
Magic ! :0)
HH
Neil canamalar Lennon hunskelper extrordinaire
18:45 on 29 January, 2013
‘ernie..,
I dont think the FTTT transcript is needed as evidence, I would also expect such learned men fully aware of the findings as part of their development as experts in their field.’
I’m not talking about the judgement, I’m talking about the word for word transcript of the evidence.
We would want to be sure that people’s accounts of what took place are consistent.
inho celtic need to start giving kayal regular game time, we are a better team when he’s in the middle of the park, i like brown, ledley and vic, but i’d like kayal to get a run of games now
Hamiltontim
18:46 on 29 January, 2013
‘Ernie
Celtic voted no, that’s well documented.
Can you provide any evidence to suggest that they would have done otherwise had this ‘mood’ been different?’
No. But then neither can you.
Though The Great Desmondo’s comments did cause me concern.
ernie..,
as I said not needed, did side letters exist, how many do they have proof of, how many were declared.
and time for a pint on the way home :o)
Jackie Mac’s………
…………Arabian Army
ernie lynch
18:51 on
29 January, 2013
Hamiltontim
18:46 on 29 January, 2013
‘Ernie
Celtic voted no, that’s well documented.
Can you provide any evidence to suggest that they would have done otherwise had this ‘mood’ been different?’
No. But then neither can you.
Though The Great Desmondo’s comments did cause me concern.
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Genuinely don’t know what more you expect or expected Celtic to do.
channelislandcelt
NFL just saying his piece on Shortbread right now.
I agree with your assessment, sir, he tells it most righteously.
Congrats to jackie..a real gentleman and a great servant to our club.
Lns..i too am a cynic, in matters of justice and fairness prevailing..especially when our deceased foe are concerned.
celtic fc’s strongest team imho is
foster
lustig, efa, wilson, izzy
brown, kayal, vic, commons
hooper stokes
Paul67 et al
Apologies if posted already but Paul shouldn’t that be;
Oh Brother Where Art Thou?
Up_Over_Goal
Then miss bye kick by opposition goalie
straight back to one of our players and
in the net for a goal to the Hoops
That’s some handle.
Don’t worry the Hoops will bounce back after the
No show up on Sunday 4-0 to the Hoops tomorrow night
Yes I totally agree Chris Commons should be given a
starting berth
I would certainly have Tony Watt @ least on the Bench
If Tony Stokes is match fit I would play him from the start
because he links up well with Garry Hooper
What’s the script with young James Forrest why is he
not @ least on the Bench because he has certainly got
passe he has just got to work on his final ball decision
like it’s the right time to shoot or is it the right time to give
the ball to one of my colleagues who is not in an off side
position I would also have Lustig in the squad because
the tall man can put in decent crosses Izaguuirre is not
the same player as he was in his first Season with the
Hoops he was going past players for fun and putting in
decent crosses he has to go back to his better player
mode days I would also have Thomas Rogne in the
Squad as well obviously along with young Tony Watt
& Dylan McGeouch in fact my Team would be
1) The Slovakian Goalkeeper Or Get Down Quicker
Zaluska
2) Adam Matthews
3) Tall Charlie Bhoy From St Ninians (I Played for that School Team)
I remember the PE teachers remarks when one was having
an off day on the field a bit like Sunday his remarks where
You could not beet a carpet
4) Thomas Rogne
5) Mikael Lustig
6) Chris Commons
7) Victor Wanyama
8) Scott Brown (Through the middle not on the wing)
9) James Forrest (Passe down the wing)
10) Antony Stokes
11) Garry Hooper
On the Bench 1) Reserve Goalkeeper 2) Joe Ledley 3) Tony Watt
4) Dylan McGeouch 5) The Derry Pele & If you can have a sixth
reserve 6) Kelvin Wilson
The likes of Sammy, Lassad, Izy it’s back to the ball controlling
school for them with working on dribbling shooting passing the
ball and not giving it away cheaply team spirit remembers it’s
a team game don’t be greedy (Sammy) and trying to beet all
the oppositions players and having a go @ the goals when
one is in a position within the 18 yard box with only the goalkeeper
to beet instead of always looking in one player to score goals
& Izy we are looking for quality crosses not quantity crosses
that sail into opposition or no mans land and work on getting
past players the correct decision making and remember your
number one job is defending not bombing forward and being
posted missing when the opposition have a rare break away
Invisible/non existent cover/defending does not stop the opposition
from scoring your down as a defender so that is your number
one priority not posted missing
Just come across this!
Astounded of forehead!
Gordon Strachan wrote Jesus the Master Builder: Druid Mysteries and the Dawn of Christianity (1998), which was the basis of the documentary titled And Did Those Feet (2009). Strachan believed Jesus may have travelled to Britain to study with the Druids.[27]
Not just a master tactician, but a master of esoteric wisdom!
He sure kept that quiet!
HH!!
NCLHE
Spot on ,to me it’s black and white regards 0-3 results if found guilty ,so lost titles should follow .
IMO expulsion would be the only appropriate sanction but we all know that isn’t going to happen as that would lead to the SFA bringing a head the old club new club debate and after their farcical handling of the liquidation and their reluctance to put that on record there is no way they will want that situation.
What does this leave ,?
What about …ragers being found guilty to fielding ineligible players but only a few fringe players that were maybe involved in the least amount of games as possible .
Could this be the secretive 5 that were admitted to by them in the FTT appeal ,do we know who these 5 players are .
I am to long in the tooth to believe the goings on over Govan way will ever be properly addressed the problem I now have is that it has now got to the point were I am about to just walk away from the game and leave the lot of them to it .They really do deserve each other .
IMHO the sooner we get out of football in Scotland the better the damage has already been done
HH
ALWAYS loved the Jackie Mac song at Celtic Park.. Still sing it aboot the hoose…
HH
Celtic Mac.
‘I had a dream’.That was Martin Luther King who said that,Well I had a dream last night,I had a few glasses of wine,went to bed And ‘I had a dream’the problem It never finished,The usual door bell rung and woke me up,but it was quite a good dream,but the end will have to be, Not a dream, just a second verse.
Off topic…….Sean Fallon’s death has sparked a lot of talk
off Tully, Fernie, and such other’s but don’t recall any post’s
about my old man’s hero Bobby Evans.
I’ll post it in about five minutesjust finishing the last couple of lines.
Here’s the 5 to avoid tonight –
Stoke (11/10), Sunderland [on TV] (6/4), Watford (10/11), Crawley (23/10) and Gillingham (5/6). Accumulator plus 5 4-folds all for the cost of £1!
Paul Lambert’s last chance saloon tonight – Newcastle at home is a ‘must win’
Jobo
Paul George, Tony Watt and Dylan McGeouch all start for the U20s at Rugby Park, as does …
…
Miku.
Just got a fantastic text message ……………secured a couple of tickets for Juve home game …..buzzing about the trip now :0)))
HH.
Restitution of titles :o)
stephbhoy
18:57 on
29 January, 2013
celtic fc’s strongest team imho is
foster
lustig, efa, wilson, izzy
brown, kayal, vic, commons
hooper stokes
stephbhoy
my hoops strongest team would be
Foster
Lustig Wilson Ambrose Matthews
Commons Wanyama Brown Mulgrew
Stokes & Hooper
Celtic_First
19:10 on 29 January, 2013
must mean we can’t return to sender this window
Barcabhoy
18:31
Can you sum up what you think the outcome of LNS tribunal deliberations is likely to be? I’d be interested to know.
More FF pearls of wisdom, bare in mind I have absolutely no idea what this thread title is referring to, completely baffling, think this one is about watching the D Utd match in pubs.
Re: anyone else think this could be one of the most mental folk have gone in a pub if
I hate to say this but i would have preferred to have been knocked out of the cup earlier on as this is just another chance for SPL teams to have a go at us. I cant see us beating Dundee UTD but if we manage to it a stick on we are lined up for a trip to Parkhead in the next round just to boost TV money and give the earl haigs the chance to hammer one of the weakest Rangers teams ever.
I want nothing to do with any SPL team until we have to once we are back in the top league. Only then when we have a team able to compete do i want to come back at them.
….
Ouch, he’s hurting
Remember this is only a dream.
Paul67.etal.
Do dream’s come true.
I had a very vivid dream last last night. it was about something I very rarely dream about.Football, but not the game itself, more about the administative side of things.
The SFA management committee were having their AGM and all the clubs were represented. Because it was to be a very important event, they excluded the CEO’s of the SFA, SPL, and the CEO of the SFL, also excluded was Charles Green CEO of the newco.
When they took their seats the chairman of Dundee utd, opened up the Meeting , His opening Gambit was, there is only one Question on the Agenda today, and that is to remove the CEO’s of each of the three branches of Scottish Football. Stewart Regan SFA. Neil Doncaster SPL. And David Longmuir SFL.
The vote was taken and it was unanimous, so the meeting was ajourned, and each of the branch managers came in individually and were told that they were being made redundant, first in was SFA.s CEO Stewart Regan, when He was told that he was being made redundant,his first utterance was You can’t sack me,I’ve had 2 years to look at all the documentation regarding the running of Scottish Football, and I could bring it to it’s knees. uproar followed and they wanted answers from Regan, which weren’t forth coming, so he was asked to leave the room.
They Called in the SPL CEO Neil Doncaster, and the same proposal was was made to him, and the same answer came back, I’ve been serving you for two years, and in that time I’ve read all the documents, I can’t be laid off as I will bring down the Scottish Game, again uproar ensued, nearly coming to blows at times, He was then asked to leave the room also.
David Longmuir was asked to enter the room and by this time he new there was something up, As Chief Executive Officer of the SFL, were you party to all the documents at Hampton Park, He said no, I wanted to get my hands on them, but the SFA President Campbell Ogilvie had sequestrated all documentation for Shredding.
The Chairman of the meeting asked him why they were shredded , and Longmuir said they would bring down Scottish football for ever.
Don’t you mean they would bring Rangers down, and longmuir said there is nothing anyone can do about Rangers they are finished, extinct.
No this shredding of paperwork was to cover the misdeads perpetrated for the last fifty, sixty years.
No-one can remember how long it’s been going on,but it certainly has been going on.
There was garbling in the galleries and everyone looked to see three figures all huddled in a corner, Charles Green, James Traynor, and that wee guy from Clyde 1 Keevins. He asked if they got everthing down on tape, and the answer was yes.
I hope I can get it finished, but naw, The bliddy Doorbell rung, shit how long will I have tyo wait on the second Chapter.
oldtim67
Did you count your pillows?
Bobby Evans was my favourite player of that generation.
Boundless energy and heart of a lion.
Played centre half latterly and in one occasion at Wembley, he stood between Scotland and a hammering.
The Daily Express, on the following Monday, had a headline,” Thank Evans For Little Goals”.
A reference to the popular song from the musical, Gigi, ” Thank Heaven For Little Girls”.
Ref gives a penalty against the baby Hoops (plus Miku) and Killie score. 1.0, 15 minutes.
izzy – quite surprised that he thought we over achieved last year – in fact very surprised.
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Where is this game being played Celtic_First
& That’s not good news
Rugby Park.
Go on the young Hoops + Miku are you down @
Rugby Park or where Celtic_First?
Tony Watt misses an open goal, heading past the post.
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