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Now see what you’ve made me do,I’m agreeing wi MACJAY ffs!
MACJAY1 FOR NEIL LENNON on 6TH FEBRUARY 2017 8:25 AM
He lost the popular vote.
Obama won the popular vote.
In fact every Democrat President has won the popular vote.
And every ‘so called’ President, ie the ones who were elected despite having lost the popular vote, have been Republicans.
Makes you think, eh? ( On reflection, in your case,probably not.)
So, given that he lost the popular vote, it’s a little silly to attempt, as you have done, to defend his actions by saying he has a mandate. He doesn’t have a mandate.
BOBBY MURDOCH’S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS on 6TH FEBRUARY 2017 8:35 AM
ERNIELYNCH
‘Rules is rules,mate. You know them before you start playing.’
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But don’t attempt to justify his action by saying he has a mandate. He doesn’t.
How is it possible for someone who patently supports the 57 ish years of Cuban totalitarianism to complain about the American democratic process.
Is that what`s called a disconnect ?
Fidel`s mandate ?
Raul`s mandate ?
While I remember,my apologies to MAFFO of this parish for posting without accreditation his Gareth Gates joke.
S-s-s-sorryCSC
No word yet from JMCCORMICK?
I hope he wasn’t caught up in the wee fracas at the appropriately named Still Game last night.
More to the point,I hope he was nowhere near it.
MACJAY1 FOR NEIL LENNON on 6TH FEBRUARY 2017 8:42 AM
I’m pointing out that you cannot justify Trump’s actions by saying he has a democratic mandate to do what he is doing.
He doesn’t have a mandate.
He lost the popular vote.
If you want support Trump’s policies on their merits then have the courage to do so.
Don’t shift responsibility for what is happening to the American public. They are not to blame. They voted for Clinton.
In a tennis game it’s very possible to win more games, but still lose the match.
It’s the rules. Players can either abide by the rules or campaign to have them changed before playing.
Simples.
HH to all .
Macjay
“Hitlers mob were the S.S. under Himmler , who was something simmlar.”
And the brownshirts under Ernst Rohm (but not the regular army until after 1933), but the real weasel words here are “something similar”.
Yes, they both fought in the streets, unlike the Prussian Elite (sho did their dirty work elsewhere). If you use that analogy you would have to accept that the Allied Armies and the Axis powers were “something similar” since they both fought each other. Similar as in polar opposites, perhaps?
“Hindenberg tried to stop him until age and infirmity curtailed his efforts .”
Hindenburg did try to ride the tiger and sought to curtail absolute power but he and his pals were fellow-travellers- He had the option, with the backing of the SPD 9who thought he was the only name big enough to halt Hitler’s progress), to truly oppose Hitler, but he was a reluctant conscript. He was quoted as saying :-
” Please see from the following that the charge that I opposed a government of the Right is completely false. It was not I…but solely the disunity of the Right (emphasis in the original) and its inability to come together in the main points that constituted the obstacle to such a development…Despite all the blows in the neck I have taken, I will not abandon my efforts for a healthy move to the Right”
He is quoted as saying that he did want Hitler to be part of the government: he just did not want Hitler to be the sole arbiter of government. Yet, one of his old Prussian elite pals persuaded him to do just that- and not by threat either.
“The Prussian elites and the ” regular army ” hated Rohme and his brownshirts more than they hated Hitler Hence the night of the long knives and the murder of Rohme and his cronies mid `34 after Hitler became Chancellor.”
Some hate- what did they do to express their hate- they accomodated him, appointed him, and, for the most part, enthusiastically served him. Von Stauffenberg and a few pals, were a small minority amongst the elite that supported Hitler. Much the same was true in the UK where the upper class provided strong support for Hitler right up to the invasion of Czechoslovakia. He had supporters within the Royal Family (not just the abdicator but Lizzie’s own ma and da), and within the Lords and Dukes of Halifax, Northumberland, Montagu, Buccleuch. Even the appointed aristocracy, such as Lord Rothermere of the Mail, was able to write headlines like “Hurrah for the Blackshirts!” in 1934. Some of the Mitfords, if they count as aristocracy, were willing to idolise Mosley and Hitler.
The elites were very willing to ally with the fascist right in preference to both Communism and Socialism (they did not differentiate both terms, just as many today have difficulty in doing so).
ERNIELYNCH
The problem is that the numbers who voted for Clinton were huge in the obvious places like New York and California. Those shedloads of votes didn’t convert into more Electoral College votes,those states were handsomely in the bag.
Yet Clinton spent a disproportionate length of time there when concentrating on the Rust Belt might have been a better idea. That’s what Trump did,and a few thousand votes in each state gave him 100% of the Electoral College votes.
That’s how elections are always won,concentrate your power where it can have most effect.
Trump isn’t stupid,he zeroed in on what stupid people think they want. Tell them you’ll give them just that and they’d have to be stupid not to vote for you,right?
https://twitter.com/celticbible/status/828263869508317184
A wee laugh to help you through Monday
BMCUW,
Talking about numbers: I see Swindon has 30 opening every day. Allegedly.
HH.
SETTING FREE THE BEARS FOR RES. 12 & OSCAR KNOX on 6TH FEBRUARY 2017 9:19 AM
Sorry.
My reference to Himmler was related to the song.
” Hitler has only got one …………………….
Goering has two , but very small.
Himmler etc etc
Goebels
BOBBY MURDOCH’S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS on 6TH FEBRUARY 2017 9:20 AM
I know how the electoral college works.
I realise that Trump won according to the rules.
My point is that it is not appropriate to justify his actions as President by saying he has a mandate.
He doesn’t have a mandate.
Those on here who wish to voice support for his actions should do so on their merits, not on the basis of his spurious mandate.
kitalba
“The prussion elite, such as Von Ribbentrop” VR was a German Buckfast salesman who married into money, hardly Prussian Elite.”
Not sure pf the arcane rules of aristocracy membership or how long you have to be a member but his da, Bobby, at least, was an aristocrat, and his paternal lineage was described as respected and noble. In the class conscious German army of WW1, he was able to be commisioned as a Lieutenant, suggesting they were not sniffy about his status as “one of them” and, from there, selected for prestigious duties, even being present at the Treaty of Versailles.
But people are reluctant to acknowledge their own background. George Bush junior solf himself as a Washington outsider, even though his da had been pres before him and a long-standing insider. And Trump presents as a self made man, though his daddy made millions as a slum landlord and his grandaddy through Alaskan brothels
Ernie,
If you win by the rules then that is a mandate.
Whether we like it or not.
Aff oot- will catch replies later
GREENPINATA on 6TH FEBRUARY 2017 9:30 AM
So Hitler had a mandate.
Well, that’s alright then.
GREENPINATA
Aye,I’d heard about it all. Hard to believe,but there you go.
I see them out at all times,particularly around Manchester Road,it’s heartbreaking to see. It’s not as though they’re out there because they’re nymphomaniacs.
Btw,the fella that told me about it did so because I work for the local paper. Distribution,not editorial,I might add. No-one interested. He also suggested they work from Pop-up Shops!
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Oh Dear…..!
Ernie…….Don’t You Have A Milk-Round To Finish..?
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Ernie – you are questioning the legitimacy of Trump’s win because he did not win the popular vote, but the American electoral system is defined in their Constitution. Many countries (including the UK) operate a representative democracy where the popular vote may not always define the winning party – this happened in 1951 and 1974 in this country. if you’re suggesting that Clinton should have been given the presidency then it would have been ruled unconstitutional.
SFTB:
He was ordinary, a wine salesman, he married into money and I can’t remember how he got his title but was not from his parents.
Regards Rohm and the SA. Rohm started the SA. He then departed for Bolivia before being asked to return to Germany by Hitler. Hitler appointed him the head of the SA not the ‘ellite’ nor the army.
“The Prussian elites and the ” regular army ” hated Rohme and his brownshirts more than they hated Hitler Hence the night of the long knives and the murder of Rohme and his cronies mid `34 after Hitler became Chancellor.”
Some hate- what did they do to express their hate- they accomodated him, appointed him, and, for the most part, enthusiastically served him.
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What they did was to make it clear to Hitler that the regular army and its Prussian Officer corps saw Rohm`e brownshirts for what they were .
A lawless rabble , 2 million from memory , and thus a threat to the regular army.
Hitler took their concerns on board and murdered Rohme and his senior officials and assimilated the brownshirts under his command.
After which he was able to insist on an oath of loyalty to him personally and not to Germany.
ERNIELYNCH
Win a vote,you have a mandate. It might be a Gerymandate in some eyes,but them’s the rules.
PHYLLIS DIETRICHSON on 6TH FEBRUARY 2017 9:39 AM
Very well put.
TET
Reading back and saw your post at 9.14 last night. Clicked on the link and saw that at that time the Aye/Naw division was 11%/89% – that’s some shift our lads have put in.
I wonder what the hordes will think of that? Probably cancel the poll when they realise that we want the Warbler to stay!
KITALBA. 946
He was adopted by his aunt,who had the honorific title. The wine salesman bit was working for his father-in-law,who was Jewish,IIRC.
(I read a book about him a while back,not a biography,more of a history of life and times. Didn’t read it twice!)
Word of the Day (reprise)
mandate
noun (ˈmændeɪt; -dɪt)
(politics) the support or commission given to a government and its policies or an elected representative and his policies through an electoral victory.
NB
I don’t see anywhere that states the mandate is negated by not winning the “popular vote”.
KTF
Perhaps learning from these lessons is what we should all be most concerned about.
Ernie
Trump / mandate
de ja vu
Joachim von Ribbentrop.
Encyclopædia Britannica, Inc.
Ribbentrop was the son of an army officer in a middle-class family. After attending schools in Germany, Switzerland, France, and England, he went to Canada (1910), but he returned to Germany at the outbreak of World War I, in which he served as a hussar on the Eastern Front. He was then assigned to the German military mission in Turkey. Upon his return to Germany at the end of the war, Ribbentrop worked as a Sekt (sparkling wine) salesman until his marriage in 1920 to the daughter of a wealthy Sekt producer made him financially independent. Thereafter he persuaded a distant ennobled relative to adopt him so that he could affix “von” to his name.
From History Today:
Who got the biggest laugh at the Nuremberg Trial?
The answer is, von Ribbentrop.
It happened when he was denying that he had bullied President Hácha of Czechoslovakia.
‘What further pressure could you put on the head of a country except to threaten him that your army would march in and your airforce would bomb his capital?’ demanded Sir David Maxwell-Fife.
‘War, for instance’, Ribbentrop replied and the court erupted.
The other prisoners shook their heads in embarrassed disbelief while one asked his neighbour
‘How could such a man be Foreign Minister of the Reich?’
EMERALDBEE
I think we crashed the site-I tried to vote last night and couldnae get on!
“Don’t Sack the Hat…”
One for the not so young, maybe even the aged.
Lustigs fancy footwork yesterday I learned from Twitter is called a “rabano?” for some reason.
I remember Weighorst did it but my memory tells me that John Colrain was an exponent back in early 60s.
It also tells me he was called Big Hookey and if as a result of that fancy footwork why is a “Rabano” not called a “Hookey”? :)
BOBBY MURDOCH’S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS:
I read a couple of books on the Nuremberg Trials a wee while ago and recently watched a documentary on here about the SA. From memory Rohm and Hitler were really good mates.
Rabona is Spanish for Hooky = skipping school
honestdidntusewikipediaCSC
AULDHEID on 6TH FEBRUARY 2017 9:52 AM
One for the not so young, maybe even the aged.
Lustigs fancy footwork yesterday I learned from Twitter is called a “rabano?” for some reason.
I remember Weighorst did it but my memory tells me that John Colrain was an exponent back in early 60s.
It also tells me he was called Big Hookey and if as a result of that fancy footwork why is a “Rabano” not called a “Hookey”? :)
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Big John Colrain. A hero to me and my mates of the day.
It was called a ” scissors kick ” in those days.
A logical description.
The morning after a great day and weekend of sport and CQN is full of posts about the brownshirts, the Prussian elite, Hitler, The US Constitution and the Bible.
You have to love diversity, eh?
Me, I’m still watching video replays of Dembele’s hat trick.
One for the statisticians. Are we on course to break highest ever points tally? What points gap do we need to set a new world record?
Hail, Hail from a sunny Denia.