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  1. fan-a-tic on

    Bimbo Smith and cohorts only pulled their bull knowing that the msm would approve wholeheartedly of this glaring fix.

     

    We will never get treated equally in this country.

     

    Celtic should leave at first opportunity before the cheats return to continue as before.

     

    Celtic fans should boycott the cup.

  4. Stringer Bell on

    jimbo67

     

     

    20:30 on

     

    2 March, 2013

     

    Evening.

     

     

    Now watching El Classico. Didn’t realise it was not live so don’t know score.

     

     

    ———

     

     

    Don’t want to waste it, but it finishes 6 each :-)

  5. ....PFayr on

    Maggie

     

     

    If CFC don’t slay the goat that is Ogilvie I’m done with the whole lot

  7. Auldheid on

    My previous post in Tweetenese became this in English

     

     

    Auldheid (@Auldheid)

     

     

    March 2, 2013 at 7:54 pm

     

     

     

    How and why did it go unoticed for so long when the SFA had an ex Rangers employee Campbell Ogilvie with vast football administration experience and ebt experience working with the SFA from 2002 pt, FT from 2005 and now President.

     

     

    Anyone who looks at what makes a trust work, that its guiding principle is trust, then they would know, if they worked in football as CO did, that the trust concept was incompatible with a highly contractural business culture.

     

     

    Campbell Ogilvie as a recipient of a real trust SHOULD have known they were incompatible with football and asked questions how Rangers were operating them. He knew they were being used, he had one himself that depended on trust and they were reported in the accounts as Rangers suporters are quick to point out.

     

     

    Other Rangers men held positions in the SFA, they too would have known. Why did they not blow the whistle to safeguard our game, why were ebts not questionned as soon as they appeared in Rangers accounts?

     

     

    Regan’s call to move on will remain unanswered until the questions now raised have been answered.

  9. stephenofderby on

    Jimbos a smert erse!! Sorry couldn’t resist. Barcelona are still my second favourite team.

  13. The Spirit of Arthur Lee on

    leftclicktic

     

     

    My right click is not working to well

     

     

    Cheers

  14. The Honest Mistake loves being first on

    Cheers left click.

     

    I added a comment there earlier on.

     

    There doesn’t appear to be any coordination of efforts yet. Id expect some of the supporters groups or the club to coordinate this but it’s all gone quiet.

  16. jimbo67 on

    Stringer Bell

     

     

    Sort of Murderwell v Hibs part 2 then?

     

     

    Stephenofderby

     

     

     

    Me a smerterse ? Some other guy! :))

     

     

    Slainte!

     

     

    Jimbo

  18. leftclicktic on

    GOOD NIGHT ALL

     

    From last night.

     

    BREACH OF SPORTING INTEGITY RULES

     

    GUILTY & FIND

     

    CHEATS

     

    ————

     

    Neil Lennon Abbot of Clonmacnois

     

    23:03 on

     

    1 March, 2013

     

    Apologies from me for what has probably been dealt with today or yesterday, but these things have got to get off my chest…

     

     

    The purpose of these Rules

     

    [65] Evidence was given by Iain Blair, the Company Secretary of the SPL…

     

     

    [67] In recognition of the need to regulate the business of professional football in order to maintain its sporting integrity the international and national associations and the professional leagues have adopted extensive measures to ensure (so far as possible) that players do not receive irregular or improper payments or benefits.

     

     

    General conclusion

     

    [83] For all these reasons, we are satisfied that breaches of the Rules have been established…

     

     

    So, Manager McCoist, you were found guilty of a breach of sporting integrity. Not an admin error. A breach of the rules set out by football to allow football to “maintain its sporting integrity”. Roon ye.

  19. ....PFayr on

    Watching the game again

     

     

    We’re too soft at CB . ….need a bobo or a mjallby …either would have battered that tadger Thomson

  20. Margaret McGill on

    ….PFayr

     

     

    20:32 on 2 March, 2013

     

     

    I know what you are saying but will we though?

     

    We all love Celtic but what do you do if the custodians dont at least sue the scum that is all of them?

  21. stephenofderby on

    A wee typo Jimbo but ma dad used to call me a smert erse instead of swearing. Made me chuckle. Back to the Glenfiddich.

  22. Auldheid on

    The Honest Mistake loves being first

     

    20:22 on

     

    2 March, 2013

     

    Auldheid.

     

    Who is getting the ball rolling here?

     

    There are too many of us reeling in shock waiting for the fight back to start. Is any of the supporters groups taking action?

     

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    Not so far although I’ve been on TSFM blog suggesting other clubs supporters contact their club. An Aberdeen supporter has done so but we need supporters of all clubs to do what they did last year and that is contact their clubs. Much depends on the strength of feeling but the more the LNS decision is seen as questionable they more disatisfied supporters will be at the SFA.

     

     

    This post from TSFM is a belter in terms of questionning LNS reasoning.

     

     

    itsalitany says:

     

    Saturday, March 2, 2013 at 01:05

     

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    First time poster. Long time lurker here and previously on RTC.

     

     

    I’m driven to post for the first time (and probably only) time by my incredulity at LNS’s interpretation of the rules on the eligibility of the players with undeclared side letters to play in official matches.

     

     

    Rule D1.13: A Club must, as a condition of Registration and for a Player to be eligible to Play in Official Matches, DELIVER the executed originals of all Contracts of Service and amendments and/or extensions to Contracts of Service and all other agreements providing for payment, other than for reimbursement of expenses actually incurred, between that Club and Player, to the Secretary, within fourteen days of such Contract of Service or other agreement being entered into, amended and/or, as the case may be, extended.

     

     

    In my opinion, and I drafted contracts for a living for many years, this rule means, in layman’s terms that “all other agreements providing for payment etc” must be DELIVERED to the football authorities. If this is not done, the consequences are twofold: (1) a condition of the player registration requirements is broken; and (2) a player is not eligible to play in official matches.

     

     

    LNS concludes that the side letters were such “other agreements providing for payment”. He determines that the side letters had not been delivered. The two consequences of this failure to deliver the side letters, as provided in D1.13 and as Hirsute Pursuit and majorcoverup have already pointed out are clearly in my view (1) that the registrations were flawed AND (2) that the players were ineligible.

     

     

    On the registration point, LNS accepts seemingly without question the SFA’s Mr Bryson’s evidence that, as far as the SFA are concerned (1) a registration is valid until it shown not to be valid and even then, only becomes invalid from the point when the factor which invalidates it comes to light and is proved and (2) remains valid through any period during which it should not be valid but the invalidating factor is not yet known to the SFA. LNS quotes no precedents for this approach having been taken in the past and no SFA rule underpinning such an approach.

     

     

    LNS goes on to state that SPL rules in his view should be interpreted to agree with related SFA rules. Therefore, he interprets D1.13 to provide that while the non-disclosure of the side letters was a breach of the registration conditions, the fact the non-disclosure was not known to the SPL meant the registrations of the affected players remained valid and that, as they were validly registered, they were eligible to play. If the registrations were subsequently proven to be invalid, they would only became invalid from the point of time they were proven to be invalid (i.e. now) and cannot retrospectively be challenged or set aside.

     

     

    LNS then relies on rule D1. to determine that, following his conclusion above, no ineligible players were fielded by Rangers FC as a result of the non-disclosure of the side letters.

     

     

    Rule D1.1 states that: “Subject to these Rules, to be eligible to Play for a Club a Player must first be Registered…”

     

     

    Rule D.1 clearly, in my opinion, means that a player cannot be eligible to play if he is not registered.

     

     

    It cannot in my opinion, reasonably be taken to mean that if a player is registered, he is therefore eligible.

     

     

    Yet that is how LNS has interpreted it.

     

     

    A quick analogy. In order to be pregnant, one must be female. By the logic of LNS’s interpretation and application of D1.1, however, if one is female, it follows not only that one is pregnant, but also that one will be forever be deemed to have been pregnant during such period as passes from the point one became female until the point one proves that one is not pregnant.

     

     

    The most bizarre aspect of the LNS findings on eligibility of the affected players is that it goes to such lengths to determine that the players were validly registered when valid registration is just one of a number of requirements for eligibility and when, in terms of D1.13, another of the requirements for eligibility to play is clearly absent.

     

     

    As stated above, D1.13 provides that “for a Player to be eligible to Play in Official Matches…a club must…deliver all other agreements providing for payment”. This could not be clearer in my view. It matters not a jot whether the players were validly registered. In terms of D1.13, if the “other agreements for payment” were not delivered (which LNS confirms they were not), the players were not eligible to play, irrespective of the validity or otherwise of their registration.

     

     

    Yet LNS concludes that the side letters were “other agreements for payment”, concludes that they were not delivered, but concludes that the affected players WERE eligible to play.

     

     

    Try squaring that circle. I can’t.

     

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    Fantastic first post and absolutely hits the mark.

     

     

    The distinction between Registration and eligibility is the point that must be understood by everyone.

     

     

    It is not the only mistake the commission made; but it is probably the most important.

     

     

    I wonder if any club who feels that this (mis-)ruling has denied them their rightful league positions and the consequential prizemoney, may wish to “seek clarification” from the SFA (as the governing body) or indeed the CAS.

     

     

     

    Celtic know the feeling of our support and share it. However they need other clubs to take the same view and prefer to work behind the scenes to gather that support.

     

     

    This applies as much to the CST/CSA as anything from a Celtic direction will be attacked as sour grapes.

  24. tommytwiststommyturns on

    Fans should do this and fans should do that, blah blah blah.

     

     

    The board of our club should be speaking with the other SPL clubs and pushing for a vote of no confidence in the SFA. We’ve always felt that the organisation was rotten to the very core, but they’ve gone about proving it over the last few years, from the honest mistakes through to Bryson undermining a year long enquiry.

     

     

    Call them out publicaly!

     

     

    T4

  25. ....PFayr on

    Maggie

     

     

     

    Is Ogilvie is in situ next season I won’t be attending CP

     

     

    to do otherwise is craven and servile….of which I’m neither

  26. ElDiegoBhoy on

    SOAL

     

     

    I’m enjoying a large tinned lager aided by also a large glass of Lindeman’s Chardonnay this evening.

     

     

    And we’re o.k. thanks.

  29. Margaret McGill on

    Scottish clubs cheated out of 22 trophies!!!

     

    Celtic cheated out of 5 titles!!! At least. Come on!

     

    Celtic Sue them Celtic Sue them!

     

    The lost revenues Re Paul67

     

     

    Where are OUR CLUB?

  30. jimbo67 on

    Stephenofderby

     

     

    Smerterse was used in similar fashion in our house. The Feck of it’s day!

     

     

    I’m a wimp – nothing stronger than Shiraz tonight. Haven’t had GlenfIddich in years. Still an acceptable dram? Had a bad experience with Laphroaig in Jinty’s recently so Malts off the menu. (til tomorrow aft anyway)

     

     

    Jimbo

  31. corkcelt on

    That is crazy stuff. If a player is invalidly registered he is deemed to be valid until the Club is found out. Surely that is rewarding the Cheats and goes against every sense of natural justice.

  32. Árd Macha on

    What is the Stars,

     

     

    Good man, You may well be right about Gerry A, who knows but I doubt Moloney’s book will disavow you of your gut feeling.

     

     

    Either way you should check his tweets, they’re hilarious. They show a completely different side to the man.

     

     

    LowerWhackCSC.

     

     

    Árd Macha

  33. Gordon64 on

    Should we encourage the younger generation

     

    to watch Scottish football knowing that it is a

     

    corrupt entity ?

  34. stephbhoy on

    ziggydoc1

     

     

    i suspect we have a few players willing to commit to a long term stay with brown, forrest, ledley, sammy and charlie all springing to mind.

     

     

    a few, i suspect, want to stick around for a while yet; foster, mathews, ambrose, izzy, lustig, kayal, rogic, mcgeogh, trawdzic, watt, lassad, commons and zaluska

     

     

    a few or a number of reasons, i suspect, want out asap such as; hooper, victor, rogne, mccourt, miku, bangurra

     

     

    the core of a good team for the long game is already in place. i would likely sell and move on hooper, victor, rogne, mccourt, miku, bangurra, commons, zaluska, lustig and gouran and bring in three quality young players and academy bhoys to make up the numbers. pass on all wages/ savings on to celtic supporters throught reduced season tickets and public sales prices.

     

     

    spend 80% of all tansfer fees brought in on the completion of the celtic triangle and improving celtic park. repeat every 2 or 3 years and we”ll be on our way to a succesful future and one that balances fans needs first, do that and everything else falls into place.

     

     

    hail hail

  36. stephenofderby on

    Jimbo

     

     

    I’m about to announce myself very publicly as a real cheapskate but I also like Shiraz. Aldi’s does a red called Baron St Jean for 2.99. What a bargain.

     

     

    In my opinion Laphroig is like chewing muck, don’t ask me how I know that.

  37. TinyTim on

    I have no inside information .

     

    What I am posting is pure supposition .

     

     

    It is my personal opinion that Celtic have done all that they can to expose the cheating Hun.

     

     

    I believe that much of the inside information that was fed to this site and the likes of RTC and Phil, emanated from within Celtic park.

     

     

    I believe that Celtic privately put pressure on The SPL to take the Hun to task.

     

     

    I believe that Celtic crave to move to English football or another European league.

     

     

    League reconstruction is part of the roadmap to this.

     

     

    Celtic have to win over the SFA, the SPL , and UEFA.

     

    They need there support and the support of the other clubs in Scotland.

     

     

    This has to be done from within.

     

     

    Celtic cannot openly go to war with any of the governing bodies.

     

     

    There is a long game being played.

     

     

    I understand the sentiments of those that want Celtic to publicly go to war.

     

     

    Our board are too clever for that.

     

     

    A war is being fought , but it is a guerrilla war.

     

    Sniper like.

     

     

    Our custodians are doing all they can to secure the best possible future for Celtic.

     

     

    TT

  38. Stringer Bell on

    General post

     

     

    It would cost £5 million to take £100 off 50,000 season tickets.

     

     

    Your running Celic.

     

     

    Would you?

     

     

    Wouldn’t you?

  40. bunburybhoy on

    My Fellow Tims….

     

    Surely none on here are surprised with the sleight of hand verdict and punishment of the last version of The South Side Filth?

     

     

    We have had too many examples of unfair decisions,punishments and heavy handed treatment from the authorities that run Scottish football against our club these past 125 years to expect anything else.

     

     

    This is our struggle, on and off the park and one we must always continue to fight.

     

    It is who we are.

     

     

    Remember the guy who gave up?

     

     

    Nobody does.

     

     

    Hail! Hail!

  41. tommytwiststommyturns on

    TT – that stacks up, especially when you consider PL’s comments about charming our way out of Scottish football. But it’s very hard to swallow when you’re told to just accept the verdict from LNS and move on!

     

     

    Rubbing our feckin noses in it !!

     

     

    T4

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