Well, at least we don’t live in Spain, where tax fraud convicts are lauded like some sort of distorted victim if they have a connection to football. No one really expected Leonel Messi to go to prison, accountability in Spain isn’t that exacting, but he will have to live with a conviction for defrauding the tax system of millions of euros. A shameful act for one so wealthy.
I’ve always been a bit uncomfortable at the politicisation (from all sides) of the poppy and charities like Help for Heroes. Society has been poor at looking after its literal cannon fodder in the 100 years since the Somme, but flag wavers around these parts have imposed political sentiment on these charities which doesn’t exist elsewhere in the UK.
Four years on from the infamous Rangers-Milan legends supposed charity match, James Doleman’s article yesterday, on the unauthorised use of Help for Heroes logos on t-shirts, gives us more to ponder. It’s impossible to damage a brand which is already at junk value, but activity like this makes it difficult for all good causes to make their appeals.
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Any Celtic manager who dizny realize that,
Efe Ambrose becomes, Celtic’s Yaya Toure
when played as a front-sweeper or, front-John-Clark
well,…..maybe that manager dizny deserve to be the
holder of the keys of the Sellic dug-oot….imho.
Also,….Brendan,….wee James Forrest will be a star for
you, if,…..ye play him the cute way…..JF running onto the
ball, not,….getting the ball with his back to the goals and,
2 / 3 big hun-animals hovering over him waiting to chop him
doon, knowing that mibbery will get the away wi it.
Also, Brendan….Big Ciftci could become a lethal-predator
once you sprinkle some of yer magic dust his way….imho.
It’s so simple Brendan…..just be cute. Celtic Cute.
So, depending on yer Celtic-Cuteness-levels Brendan, ye could
find yerself wi an, Yaya Toure in the midfield and, an Arren Robben up front.
It’s all up to you Brendan, you’ll be backed by the Green Brigade’s
mini-Jungle-safe-standing-area who’ll be switched on for the entire 90 mins.
They’ll no be as guid as the Jungle but, they’ll be grand enough.
Also Brendan, Joe Allen is a guid player in his own right, absolutely.
But, he’s not in the same league as Efe-Yaya…..not by a distance.
Please don’t wast yer budget on the likes of, Joe Allen or, Shane Duffy.
Duffy,….imho, is a cross between an, agricultural-Mick-McCarthy and a
Clumsy-Mulgrew. Don’t blow yer money just for the sake of blowing it.
Make yer money work. Keep the R*ngers on a short leash, ready for a severe
skelping that’ll have Sturgeon calling in the national guard. Then ye’ll know
that yer on the right track. All the best tae ye Brendan Ar La.
My Celtic-DNA always tells me to back the underdog-not the eye candy.
You’ll Never Walk Alone…in the Jungle.
Btw,…the Welsh fans don’t wave the butchers apron.
The Welsh fans don’t riot when they get defeated.
Aint that a coincidence ?
…..oot…..laters.
Less than a week before an away CL qualifier and UEFA have still to decide when the game will take place.
Ridiculous state of affairs.
Morning all.
Looked up the Celtic site for the dates of the European ties. No mention as yet. Anyone know if the dates have been confirmed?
I gather Maclean, the season ticker holder at Ibrox referee, is saying that he and his fellow rogues are relishing the return of the O.. F… Yes, the cheating will reach unprecedented levels shortly to prop up the deid team.
Just learned from my Bhoy that we have been offered a move round to the ole safe standing area. Not sure if there’s a pre-season fitness test to pass first but seriously considering this option.
Aff oot………..
Flight to catch to the Azores :)
Jobo
You are fit enough but fat too sedate a personality to mix with those exuberant young young Buckies . Stay seated 0:-)
JJ
Will look in on arrival in the afternoon.
Maybe some news on Res12?????
Or even a statement???………….
………..from Celtic?
Mibbeees naw ;)
Hail Hail
Is the Wolfesburg game on Sat 16th pay at the gate? I can’t find any ticket info on the fishal site?
Hot Smoked,
That’s a bit personal calling Jobo fat!
CHAIRBHOY on 6TH JULY 2016 9:42 PM
BIG GEORGES FAN CLUB @ 9:07 PM,
Thanks for the reply, you are from Plains… wonder if you know my Aunt Betty (Armstrong)…!?
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Sorry for late reply – went to bed after the game last night – I’m rubbish with names, so probably do know your Auntie, but couldn’t put the name to the face. Only Armstrong I definitely knew was Tam – married to one of the Hunters.
HH
BGFC
Hail Hail
The Iraq War was always a simple calculation. Does the UK stand with the US in an invasion which which was going to happen anyway?
Blair thought yes, and successfully got the US to return to the UN which essentially found Saddam in material breach of its resolution.
The miscalculation was the failure to adequately plan the aftermath, and the disbandment of the Iraqi Army (many of whom went on to fight for ISIS). This was the real failure – but it was one of competence rather than malignancy.
The Left always hated Blair because he was the perfect bogeyman – a centre-left leader who actually won elections and paid attention to the people as they are, rather than some idealised socialist-humanist view. Clearly, his popularity must mean he was a sell-out. They used Iraq to vent all their frustrations onto everything he stood for.
It’s a shame, because since he left office the country has proceeded steadily downhill.
saltires en sevilla on 6th July 2016 9:45 pm
Scullybhoy
You realise the vast majority of the bhoys on here are Scots?
Every one I’ve met is proud of their Irish origins ( even the Italians and Poles etc :-)
My own family came from Ulster before, during and after the great famine period and I’m very proud of my origins and visit there regularly.
There is no doubt that Celtic FC emerged from the Irish diaspora, but they were not only from the great famine period. There were pockets of Irish in the West of Scotland from late 18th Century. Who had been integrating and doing rather well in the profesional classes. The guys who were involved in organising the early Celtic were established here and doing quite well and almost certainly relying in a foundation laid here in commerce that pre-dated that specific famine period.
Celtic also attracted Indigenous Scots too. Not all Celtic fans in the beginning were Irish, and an attempt to try and create an all Irish/Catholic club was tried. It was overwhelmingly rejected to the extent that a faction club broke away in the East End with the intention of remaining Irish and or Catholic. That club disappeared fairly quickly. The one that survived and grew into the great club we love today chose to embrace all and that was their strength and God Bless them for it.
I am genuinely interested in the source you used for quote- it looks familiar. Perhaps in Willie Maley’s book although from memory it was lifted originally from the press who habitually referred to Celts as the Irish club ( never in positive way, using horrible caricatures and invoking the worst stereotyping imaginable).
I’m glad you love The Celts
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Sorry for not getting back to you sooner. I tend to dip in and out of CQN, mainly to see transfer news. I have pasted in the article I referred to and I am not for a second claiming it is infallible, in fact I was attracted to it mainly because it reflects the perspective that I was taught in my own home as a child. I have no affection for any English teams because I struggle to identify with them, on the other hand, Celtic express so much of my peoples history, culture and identity that I could not stop supporting them even if I tried.
ARTICLE BY JIM DEVEREUX
If you ever find yourself in the east end of Glasgow, a trip to Paradise, also known as Celtic Park, is obligatory. Close by the main entrance to the ground you will find a bronze statue dedicated to the memory of Brother Walfrid, revered as the founding father of Celtic FC. Last year marked the 100th anniversary of his death. Although founding Celtic is some legacy, what is perhaps less well known is the extent of his work with the poor people of Glasgow and, later in his life, London. Walfrid was born Andrew Kerins in the village of Ballymote in County Sligo, in 1840. This was an area ravaged by the effects of the Great Famine and like many thousands of his compatriots, Kerins left Sligo as a young man and headed for Glasgow, Scotland. This was a well trodden route for young people from Ireland even before the famine. By 1840 Irish Catholics, predominantly working as labourers in Glasgow’s mills, docks and railways, represented a quarter of the city’s population. Little is known of his early years in Glasgow but at the age of 24 Andrew Kerins joined the Marist Brothers and took his life-long vows of poverty, obedience and devotion to Mary. The Marist community were very much focused on the teaching and education of young people and had their origins in France, being formed by a French priest, Marcellin Champagnat in 1817. On joining the community Andrew Kerins travelled to Beaucamps, near Lille, in France, to undergo four years of training and take the name of Walfrid.
On his return to Glasgow, Brother Walfrid was appointed a teacher at the junior school in St Mary’s church, Calton. It was during his time at St Mary’s, and later when appointed headmaster at Sacred Heart School in Bridgeton, that he would have become fully aware of the devastating effects of the hunger and poverty that existed in Glasgow at that time. Glasgow was Europe’s most densely populated city and disease and suffering were endemic. In 1888 it was recorded that of the 11,675 registered deaths nearly 5,000 were children under the age of five. As a teacher at St Mary’s, Brother Walfrid set up a football league and a literary society to encourage children to read outside of school. He also developed links with local employers to provide work opportunities for his pupils when they were ready to leave school. But he would have known that education was not a priority for children who were hungry and dressed in rags. Displaying care, compassion and courage, Brother Walfrid was determined to address the barriers that prevented children in extreme poverty from attending school. It was largely down to his drive and enthusiasm that led to the creation in 1884 of the ‘Penny Dinners’ for his students and the children of the parish. Working closely with the St Vincent de Paul Society, which had been established in Glasgow in 1848, Brother Walfrid helped to ensure that every child attending school was a provided with a hot, nourishing meal on a daily basis in return for their penny. The major challenge for the Marist Brothers and the SVDP was how to raise sufficient monies to meet the growing demand for this initiative.
Charity football matches were an established method of fundraising, harnessing the growing popularity of football amongst the working classes. In April, 1887, over 12,000 spectators attended a charity match in Bridgeton in aid of the Poor Children’s Dinner Tables of St Mary’s and Sacred Heart School. The game was contested by local Glasgow team Renton and the Edinburgh team Hibernian, the Scottish Cup holders of the time. Edinburgh Hibernian football club were a successful team that had been founded in 1875 by Canon Edward Hannan. The club was run wholly for the Catholic Irish of the capital city and during its early years only practising Catholics were allowed to play for the club. Edinburgh Hibernian raised significant funds for the local community, and this was the primary inspiration for Brother Walfrid who led discussions with leading parish members in the summer of 1887, to establish a Glasgow Irish football team. Brother Walfrid had a lot of contacts with powerful and influential people within the Irish Catholic community in Glasgow. Tom Maley, who worked closely with Brother Walfrid at the time and became a Celtic player and Committee Member, later ascribed the formation of the club to Brother Walfrid’s ‘…organising genius and wonderful persuasive powers’. On Sunday, 6th November, a meeting was held that led to the official creation of Celtic FC. The club came into existence with a main objective of providing funds for the St Vincent De Paul Society to support the Dinner Tables for needy children in the local parishes. Brother Walfrid wrote the constitution and chose the name of Celtic in preference to the proposed name of Glasgow Hibernians. Unlike Edinburgh Hibernian, Celtic players did not have to be Catholic and tee-total. The newly formed club was a great success from the off, reaching the Scottish Cup Final in its first season, and donating over £400 to charity in their inaugural year. By their fourth season Celtic had won the Scottish Cup, beating Queens Park in the final in front of a record 40,000 attendance.
Brother Walfrid had little time to revel in the success of his initiative as he was moved by the Marist Order from Glasgow to head up a school in the Whitechapel area of London’s East End. Whitechapel was a very deprived area of London home to large Jewish and Irish communities, and synonymous with the Jack the Ripper murders of a few years previous. Despite his advancing years Brother Walfrid approached this new challenge with all of the enthusiasm and dedication he had displayed in Glasgow. As well as fulfilling the role of Headmaster at St Anne’s school in Whitechapel, Brother Walfrid established local boys’ clubs and a project to provide meals to the poor in the local community. Walfrid’s last major challenge as a Marist Brother was to oversee the relocation of the novitiate school from Beaucamps in France to Sturry in Kent, England. In May 1911, Brother Walfrid travelled to London from his base in Kent to meet some old friends from his time in Glasgow. Celtic were just returning from a European tour having recently won their sixth successive Scottish League title. Brother Walfrid was a guest of honour at the celebratory dinner. Walfrid’s last few years were spent at the Marist Order’s home in Dumfries. He died in April, 1915, and he is buried in the Mount St. Michael Cemetery in the town.
Loved your story Hunderbirds
SMALL HILL TIME
The Wolfsburg game is on your season ticket
SMALL HILL TIME
You can also buy tickets at the ticket office
There’s a remarkable similarity to the Noakes, Pastry & Thompson defence of Blair’s actions and the Rangers fans defence of their tax and player registrations.
1) There has been a neutral Inquiry which has vindicated us (Neither did)
2) We did nothing illegal (outwith the remit of both Inquiries)
3) If we’d known then what we know now we would not have acted quite like we did (If we knew we’d get caught, we would have been more careful and thoughtful).
4) There was no pre-planned agreement (Blair’s e-mail to Bush and the side letters to players both tell a different story)
I feel responsible tangentially because I voted for Tony Blair. I have voted for the Labour Party consistently until after the Iraqi War when I wasted my vote on another party (I would not abstain). The self-serving defence that this was to topple Saddam because of his atrocities is patently false. Saddam was our man -we, The West, backed him as our guy against Iran because we wanted them to fight each other to a standstill and be too weak to fight us or Israel. We have been trying to use exported wars to keep the price of Oil down so that we would not ever face the OPEC crisis of the 70s ever again. That has led us to be beholden to Wahabbis in Saudi who are much more murderous and duplicitous than Saddam even was.
I ask one simple question of Tony Blair which he has yet to answer. What was it in the presentation made by the proven liar Bush that persuaded you to by-pass the UN authority and commit us to actions which are and remain potentially illegal in International Courts? (that is not the view of rabid leftists but of sober judges of International Jurisprudence.)
All he has ever replied is that he was convinced by the argument for WMDs. How convincing is that to you? Why, if it was so convincing, could he not convince Cabinet colleagues of its compelling nature? Why did it require “beefing up” by the non-military expertise of the propaganda expert Alistair Campbell?
Apart from that, his only defence has been to try and put this adventure into the same category as Kosovo and Sierra Leone by portraying the necessary UN legalities as too slow and too late to prevent further atrocity. I’d counter that on realpolitik grounds. Were the demoralised Balkan forces of Serbia likely to react badly and take on the might of USA and UK acting as 51st state? Was Russia that bothered that they would risk war? Were the African Congress of Nations likely to censure in any effective way an intervention with humanitarian aims in war torn Sierra Leone? The answer to all of these questions is patently No and has proven to be so. We did not suffer any loss of trust as a law abiding nation in our Kosovo and Sierra Leone adventures as they were obviously humanitarian and we had no financial gain from them.
Now ask yourself the same question of Iraq? Were her Arab neighbours and her worldwide co-religionists likely to take offence and react with bloody force to an invasion that had argued long and hard for legitimacy but acted impatiently in abandoning the quest for UN backing, indeed waged war on the UN for not bowing down and granting backing? Were they not likely to recruit for Al Qaeda, IS, Daesh and all its variants on the back of the rhetoric that these nations acted illegally. They did not create these murderous bodies, they existed in some forms already, but they exploded the membership and backing of these groups. That is in Blair’s war crimes charge sheet.
Anybody who thinks that Saddam was top of the list that reads “Dictators who needed toppling” is a fool. We could easily have done so at the end of The First Gulf War and we stopped short because he was our guy in the region. He was supposed to go back and be our puppet again after this warning but he embarrassed The West with his blatant atrocities but angered them even more by his unwillingness to back down on financial and political measures in the region. He was targeted because he was an insufficient puppet. Now look at what we can manipulate and control?- nothing.
No, toppling Saddam as a war aim is as unconvincing as the argument that we sent an invasion force to Las Malvinas to topple Galtieri.
Sadly, realpolitik will see Bush and Blair spend not a minute of time in any court or jail. The best we can hope for is to win the propaganda battle being waged to continue to accept his self serving lies. He committed to supporting Bush “come what may” well in advance of any negotiations. He reaped that whirlwind. In Iraq, we created a desert and called it peace. That’s what imperialist invading forces have always done. That’s what the Dr. Strangelove politics of the “Let’s nuke the Commie/Muslim/ Slant eyed peoples” variety has always wrought.
It is the politics of the sorry-too-late thoughtless interventionists.
We lived through the period and we can remember the events and the sequences that they would prefer we gloss over to see plausiility in their defence argument.
The least we can do, as with the much less important situation of the Sevcoites, is to refuse to swallow their self serving lies.
ITALIABHOY on 7TH JULY 2016 9:02 AM
The miscalculation was the failure to adequately plan the aftermath, and the disbandment of the Iraqi Army (many of whom went on to fight for ISIS). This was the real failure – but it was one of competence rather than malignancy.
The Left always hated Blair because he was the perfect bogeyman – a centre-left leader who actually won elections and paid attention to the people as they are, rather than some idealised socialist-humanist view. Clearly, his popularity must mean he was a sell-out. They used Iraq to vent all their frustrations onto everything he stood for.
It’s a shame, because since he left office the country has proceeded steadily downhill
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2 quick ripostes if I may. In reverse order to yours above……
1. I’m not really of the left. I’m one of these ideologically neutral types that New Labour was created to attract. You say the country has deteriorated since his departure?
Well of course Tories have a long history of delivering that. And they have.
But never forget the £BNs of squandered during a rare ‘7 years of plenty’ on illegal wars and PFI madness that our children will be paying for long after the crappy constructions have crumbled.
2. Undoubtedly the post war planning wasn’t even in existence sufficiently to be lamentable. But that misses the still more important point. There was no compelling justification for war.
To paraphrase the American stance ref Kuwait several years earlier……we wouldn’t intervene if they produced carrots.
Oil. $$$$$$s. Haliburton. Trying to emulate the East India Company that launched the British empire.
HH jamesgang
Thanks BarrowBhoy
Foxy,
I saw you asking a few questions about Gibraltar last night. You might find this video interesting, ITVs, ‘Death on the Rock’ documentary.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7MBqTw2vl0
It’s fun watching the trolls on here at times. As soon as a sore point about Sevco is mentioned such as Resolution 12, or the pyramid scheme Club 1872, Hector, liquidation…whatever.
On they come to change the topic, allegations of racism, ridiculous posts about politics, turn the focus on to Celtic anything…
Anything to fill the page and move the conversation on to another topic.
It’s a great laugh watching them at times:))
Strange when people read posts from wind-up merchants and get, well, wound up……
Great! I wake up! Celtic victory! The sun is shining!
It’s a carlsberg sort of day!!!!
HH
Morning Timland, hun free and hot in the valley.
Everyone seem to forget that the real reason for the invasions in the middle east is arms sales, they make more from this that everything else, tho having control of the oil, getting the contracts for rebuilding after they bomb the feck out of the place, controlling the water supply to the desert, can’t be feeding Africa can we, in the reigon does help.
Haliburton, the big red, within an hour after the Piper Alpha blew up, they were on to their Aberdeen office asking for an inventory of what equiptment was on the Piper, they even suggested that Aberdeen could cook the books so to speak so they could make out there was more on the Piper than there actually was.
Not once did they offer any condolences to the people who lost their lifes, scum of the highest order.
Antipodeanred
I have just come back in and noticed it! I thought, a la Acorn Antiques, I might have got away with it but, als not 0:-)
JJ
A good read……………….
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HUNDERBIRDS ARE GONE on 6TH JULY 2016 11:07 PM
Well the pilgrimage to Estadio Naçional (Or Estadio Honra, as we call it in Portugal ;)) went well.
Took the train from Central Lisbon to Cruz Quebrada. Nice 15 minute train ride, along the coast, costs about €3.20 for a return.
Then about a 15 minute walk, uphill, to the stadium.
There was a tv crew outside filming with some people, no idea what for. Me and Mrs H, walked past them and up to the perimeter fence at the open end of the Stadium. I tried a few gates, but all locked, although the view into the pitch, and terracing (now seating) was good from here.
There were about four or five groundstaff, cutting and watering the grass playing surface, which looked immaculate, and one runner pounding around the running track.
We took a few photos, and I was happy to have seen it all first hand and close up. Just as we were getting ready to leave, a young couple approached the perimeter fence, and peered in. I heard the girl talk in English and asked were they Sellick supporters. They were. She was born up north and he was originally from Dublin, but they both now lived in Glasgow.
We were just chatting to them, when a guy approached us from inside. He had a kind of knowing look, and asked were we from Scotland. “Yes”.was the reply. He pointed to our right and told us there was another approach, with an open gate, and we could come in. The four of us walked away and found the other approach. Just as we were nearing the other gate a uniformed security dude appeared from a building to our right and challenged us, but at that point the original guy from the ground appeared and told the guard to stand down, the security guard relaxed and smiled at us “Celtic?”, we all nodded. The original guy was leaving, but told us to go in and take as long as we liked to get photos etc, but not to go on the grass.
So I got some great images, and at least touched the grass. It felt quite emotional, as I plotted out bits from the game that I have watched over and over.
It was a lovely sunny day and 25c, so not as unbearable as the day before.
We took the train back in to central Lisbon, and rounded off a great day with a few Al Fresco beers, in a nice terrace, outside a wee bar :)))
HAIL HAIL
Scullybhoy/Saltires
Great topic is that of our origin :-)
Great essay by j.deverux.thanks for posting.may I suggest brendan sweeneys celtic the early years 1887-1892 which audits all threads in our early make up.
John kelly in his book irish also goes over the impact of the irish on scotland.
Good reads are both books if you have not already :-)
HH
I didn`t see the game last night but, from reports on here, it would seem that Scott Brown looked like his old self. That, for me , is great news.
If Brendan makes us a stronger all round team, then Broonie`s current responsibility within the team will be lessened and we might see a more creative player.
I know Mike in Toronto is not a fan but if he saw Broonie regularly in the flesh (!), then I feel he would change his mind about the importance of our Captain to our team.
JJ
HOT SMOKED on 7TH JULY 2016 9:50 AM
Brown played well in first half last night. He played on the left of a middle three, Johansen was right with Bitton centre. He already looks a lot fitter than last season
Lincoln Red Imps v Celtic : Tuesday 12 July
Celtic v Lincoln Red Imps : Wednesday 20 July
Home leg on season ticket.
Gary67
Good to have that view confirmed.
If Brendan gets it right, we could have some excellent midfield groupings.Different formations for different games rather than a `best ` eleven.
I would guess that, for most Home games, we will have Roberts,Dembele and Griffiths playing so, if we remain with a back four, the three in midfield will have to be very solid. Interesting and exciting.
JJ
Auld Tam
I would like to go to the Away game but I`ve got something else on that day 0:-))
JJ
Celtic to play VfL Wolfsburg at Paradise
BRENDAN Rodgers’ first game at Celtic Park will be a glamour friendly match against top German side, VfL Wolfsburg on Saturday, July 16 (KO: 3pm).
And Celtic supporters can pack out Paradise as the game is included as part of the season ticket for 2016/17.
THE EXILED TIM on 6TH JULY 2016 10:46 PM
Proudbhoy
We should have enough to qualify without any additions, but I would be much more hopeful if we invested in a feck off CB and a quality middy.
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Totally agree mate . That team last night made a good few chances ,which had they taken would have showed up the failings in our defence . Chances that better strikers would have taken . Thought by the team in the first half , with the exception of a couple of changes , I thought Ronny was back , sideways and back from the usual suspects .
I appreciate that it’s early days , but a few weren’t good enough last season ,and IMHO they won’t be good enough this season . For my tuppence worth , still a few to exit , and still a few needing to enter .
HH
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/36729462
Start at 3:20 and pause at 3:27 !
I see the old Assault & Battery 11 beat Charleston Battery last night 2:1.
We should be very scared.
Sorry. You have to scroll down to the Match Highlights of Murray V Tsonga.
I’m sure we were to be playing in a lucrative series against , Barca, PSG, Leicester City in the Us, or was it Dublin. Is my mind playing tricks or am I dreaming. Can anyone help please.
KINGLuBO