I loved the Newco statement from yesterday evening, it betrayed the reality that they’ve lost their nerve in the face of panic among fans and a complete lack of knowledge of what to do about History overtaking them.
They cited that the SPFL had a conference call on the subject of the Court of Session Oldco EBT ruling, but quickly got onto the subject that “our Club’s (sic.) history, including its many successes, is beyond debate”.
Those of us who supported another team during the EBT decade know well that history is beyond debate. We paid money to see those competitions and there will be no denying what happened.
At a stroke Newco took a debate, which was hitherto the exclusive domain of fan comment and the occasional journalist repeating the words of well-paid Newco and Ladbrokes SPFL PR team, that there was “no appetite” for title stripping, and made it a subject football people could legitimately be drawn on. In short, they made Rangers historical successes THE debate.
I’ve spoken to Celtic on various potential public statement matters over the years. They don’t always get it right, but they know when to shut their mouth and win support for their objectives, at the cost of taking flak for not making grandstanding public comments.
Tommo Blog.
While many paid to inform us were repeating paid PR as news, Channel 4’s Alex Thomson had no qualms calling-out the cheats in his blog yesterday: Rangers cheated at football: the fraudulent silverware must go. And that was just the blog title.
Oh Mr Black! The Rangers v HMRC First Tier Tribunal was held in private, with witness names given anonymity in the written report. Mr Black, the name of a key figure at Rangers, who signed and sold up to 400 footballers, and, I guess, took a senior role from late 1988 until 6 May 2011, provided damning evidence against the former football club at the Tribunal.
Thomson writes:
“Why did this powerful but busy character introduce a scheme of wholesale – and now proven to be unlawful – avoidance of NI and income tax?
Why – so the club could gain advantage on the pitch, of course: sporting advantage. By attracting and keeping players they otherwise could not afford. How do we know?
Because the powerful but talkative “Mr Black” was good enough to spill the beans to the Tax Tribunal: “Mr Black did not consider the Trust as a means of tax avoidance, but rather as a means of retaining and rewarding loyal employees. So far as Rangers was concerned it enabled the Club to attract players who would not otherwise have been obtainable.”
Sporting advantage.”
““Mr Black” didn’t see it as a tax wheeze at all, he said, but a football wheeze. Sadly for him if you’re now found to have been cheating the taxman you’re also cheating football – so now his unfortunate admission is a smoking gun
There is more: “As for Mr Black, he denied that the scheme was for tax avoidance in cross-examination, though he went on to describe the scheme as ‘a method of us acquiring, especially football wise, better players in a more cost effective manner than we would be able to do so’; that the club had been ‘very ambitious at that time’; and ‘it was seen as a correct and proper way for us to proceed’; that Rangers ‘have been very successful, because we’ve been able to attract players of a certain standard that, perhaps, we may not have been able to otherwise’.”
One more time: “especially football wise better players in a more cost effective manner”. Sporting. Advantage.”
“It is time Campbell Ogilvie explained his conduct – the man who played a part in the tax avoidance and personally benefited before going on to be SFA President.
It is time Sir David Murray – the conductor of this disastrous orchestration, by overseeing EBTs at Rangers – is similarly held to account for what he did and now, why Rangers did it for advantage on the field: cheating.
Above all, it is time the SPFL members came out from Glasgow, Edinburgh, Dundee, Aberdeen and beyond to denounce cheating as cheating and take action as fans from Kelso to Thurso are begging them to do.
All the titles and silverware from all the years Rangers cheated at football, as they cheated at tax, must be null and void and wiped from the record.
Let nobody try and tell me it isn’t the same club – I have always said it is and now Rangers have to take the consequence of that reality right on the chin.
Turnbull Hutton RIP – how your godforsaken Scottish game needs you now.”
‘Mr Black’ really has dropped Sir David Murray in it. I hope he stays away from Charlotte Square. This situation reminds me of that scene from Blazing Saddles, where the sheriff turns his gun on himself. Alerts in advance for the use of racial pejoratives, appropriate for the environment, in this clip:
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Following the BBC’s decision to ask Steven Thompson if Rangers should get titles stripped because of EBT illegalities, breaking news is that
Lord Watson is being asked if barbecues should be allowed on hotel landings.
Denis McShane and Patrick Mercer’s views are sought on whether we should privatise Parliament and just sponsor MPs to ask questions.
Sepp Blatter’s views are sought on the desirability of making the World Cup bidding process self-financing via willing donations
Mickbhoy1888,
good effort at knocking CQN posters,
just a pity your original post was so wrong,
using racing,that deals with cheating quickly and severely not your best move
SFTB
Hahaha vg. :))
stebhoy, 10:11 pm
He’s not an ally of Celtic. He’s a journalist who asks questions that those closer to the story are don’t, won’t, or are afraid to
Please lads ignore the fools attacking Celtic.
our targets are those who cheated and those who aided them.
Everynight on here posters listen and rail at their pish on radio…..then bizarrely report and update us on their lies.
why do you look for justice from cheats, bigots and Celtic haters?
ffs
Instead of asking Celtic, the GB or others to do what we all need to do….
Get up off your knees and act….
, write, phone, communicate, but challenge their distortions and make sure every football fan is aware.
Winning Captain, so far we have had no leadership or coming together of minds, are we going to sit, and bleat?
Haven’t heard anything from CSA, CT why?
Say what you like about the zombies, they got their stuff out.
We sit and do nowt.
How about former players letting us know how they feel, I’m sure others feel as Darren does…
I decried the idea of a boycott, perhaps it is worth considering
We need to make our feelings known.
DD…it would be much more emphatic if banners appeared at ALL football grounds in the coming weeks, otherwise, it is reported as obsessed hate-filled Celtic fans only…everyone else having moved on.
Delaneys Dunky on 10th November 2015 10:19 pm
:-)
Wish I had been able to spend more time in your company .
‘Speak softly and carry a big stick.’
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Or to put it another way.
Keep your head down,say nothing and hope it all blows over. Next season they’ll be in the same league as us so season book sales will pick up and the old firm franchise will be back up and running.
SFTB @ 10.33…and Peter Manuel to be asked what he thinks of capital punishment.
WBC
That would be the ideal scenario.
Neg Anon
“As CQNs Cassandra”
Is that the one from Only Fools and Horses?
Maggie McGill & Tony Mac
We know there is no willing appetite from them to implement their own rules but, ultimately, they are answerable to the clubs.
Up until now, the clubs have not had the backing of law with the FTT case and LNS finding against common sense and natural justice in order to make public statements or even behind the scenes pushes. You might be right in that they will let us down again but today is not Judgement Day on that- that time comes when the Appeal Period elapses. I can see a lot of sense in avoiding screaming Press and media headlines, though not keeping completely schtum within SFA and SPFL meetings, until the Appeal period elapses. It is not a long period to wait- we have waited since June 2012 when the switcheroo was performed- what’s one month more for the long suffering Scottish non-Sevco fan? I mean, it’s not as if they are suddenly going to become a healthy financed club if we hold the big guns back for a month.
Ghuys.. Has there been any formalised co ordinated plans with our fellow supporters across the Country? Has contact been made? Whats their feelings and views??
If we are to succeed in this battle for the sport, we cannot sit on our hands and hope for a win.
United we can do it, but only if we have the backing and support of the majority of Scottish football fans.
KTF, we CAN win.
HH.
MacJay
That feeling is very much reciprocated, although brevity can be good too in quality class company.
Hail Hail amigo. :)
THETIMREAPER on 10TH NOVEMBER 2015 10:23 PM
I would have loved to hear Paul McBrides thoughts on this fiasco. He would not have missed them.
RIP
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Now you`re talking.
What a loss.
SFTB
Save your breath – you’re dealing with condescending wimps!
I am 100% for stripping them of their titles and cups and having the competitions declared null and void. Awarding another team the title would have the effect of letting the Blazers off the hook. History should show that the huns cheated all of us and this was presided over by as corrupt a bunch as those who cheated.
As regards former players and managers being rolled out to give their opinion about the games being won on the park it wasn’t their hard earned cash that was being spent in the mistaken belief that they were watching a “competition” – far from it they were the recipients of that hard earned cash! Don’t expect the average, modern day footballer to give a shit about the Club the way we do, those days are gone a long time ago.
There used to be 2 certainties in life – death and taxes (unless you’re a cheating hun), now there are 4 – death, taxes, the huns died and the huns cheated.
Hail! Hail! PMTYH
WBC
Are Scotland U21s playing in Paisley on Friday?
Would be good place to start a protest.
67 EUROPEAN CUP WINNERS on 10TH NOVEMBER 2015 10:21 PM
The Spanish assessment of Moyes was that he was ‘tactically limited’ and that he is ‘quintessentially British’. Or in other words cut from the same cloth as the likes of Walter Smith, Alex Mcleish, etc.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p037m58h
Barstewards
Sony to kill off Betamax tapes
3-0, each game when a player ineligible to play played.
No enquiry needed for that.
Apply the rules, without fear or favour. (There is a first time for everything)
I’m not saying no enquiry is needed, just that one is not needed for the rules of the game to be applied.
To make the gem better will need an enquiry, and more.
Gutted by that, the 6-2 game was only 3-0.
(Not really, we win the next game 3-0 too)
But the rules is the rules.
They cheated.
PARKCUMSALFORD
As Cowiebhoy has already said its just a bit of fun from us
Aussie wallopers to lighten the blog in between the angst
we feel about the nuclear button pressers.
Best eleven Celtic players and three subs from 1965 onwards
whoever picks the most of our fourteen gets a much sought
after polo shirt ( there more expensive than t shirts Cowiebhoy )
its more difficult than you think when you count how many wonderful
players we’ve had over the years.
H.H Mick
SFTB tonight I am not laughing.
Big Cup winners
To be fair, the lies and lack of objectivity spouted on Shortbread over the last 2 nights have outdone the msm’s usual high standard of moonbeam chasing pro-rangers (in liquidation) and Sevco bias. I see no harm in broadcasting their blatant BS in order that tims can get a good laugh at it and systematically challenge and dismantle their tissue of lies on social media.
You raise a fair point about the silence from the CSA and Celtic Trust though I do worry that if the Celtic Trust were to actively campaign for cheated titles to be revoked then Tony Donnelly67 might be put in the desperate situation of finally agreeing with the Celtic Trust on something!
Isn’t there a mob called Supporters Direct Scotland who are supposed to represent the interests of Scottish football as a whole? Maybe they should be taking up the cudgels on this.
As for boycotts, the Scottish Cup is a given for boycott in my view should the SFA continue the path of obfuscation they appear to have chosen re Resolution 12.
The GB would have any banners taken off them …….
Anyone interested in doing something constructive to ensure what honest football fans think is heard?
DD…I imagine there will be so few fans at the game on Friday that any kind of protest would simply be ignored by the media. Either that or, ” a few obsessed Celtic fans produced a childish banner…” etc.
Have to agree with negenon on pl and dd’s motives and rhetoric regarding them in the last 5 years, financially motivated?
At least Derk will be fit once Sevco return
Mitchell had to be on something tonight.
His rant was either pre meditated or substance enhanced.
He was never so fluent previously. So I go for the latter.
His argument that because Italian football is corrupt then scotland has a cheek trying to aspire to a higher code. Shocking values which are indicative of a corrupt era in scottish football which he presided over.
This should be called out.
Hullboy Twitter.
Scottish football is utterly corrupt and beyond repair. Money laundering, tax evasion, rigged through bank loans. If fans knew full story…
Pog
Agree 100%.
Strip the titles and cup wins. Tournaments voided by cheating. If Sevco are thought by the SFA as being the same club as Rangers il then they must be kicked out the game. Cheating, master deceiving dobs!
West End of East End on 10th November 2015 9:44 pm
Thanks for the link.
Good read. He is enunciating what many feel.
MELBOURNE MICK @ 10:53 PM,
Here’s my shout…
Simpson
McGrain – McNeil – Mjalby – Gemmel
Johnstone – Murdoch – McStay – Moravcik
Dalglish – Larrson
Subs: McBride, Auld & VvD
where are BBC finding these people who say “move on for the good of the game” “the games were lost on the park” ANd how much license fee is being paid to them?
Scottish Clubs should BAN ALL Scottish Scribbling Press from their grounds. Let the lamb munchers continue scribbling pish about Sevco and nowt else. When they die the scribbled media will have pish all to report….then sacked.
End of.
TSOAL
Have you made a time machine and returned to 1985??? ;)
DD
Rum Sodomy and the lash
Psychocandy
Meat Is Murder
?????
We’ve gotta protect our phoney baloney jobs, gentlemen!