Turning gold into mud tricky for English clubs

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Owen Coyle has probably no idea the trouble caused in his name at Celtic.  Notions that his granny’s uncle’s cousin passed on verifiable information that either Owen rejected the Celtic job, or that he did so because he didn’t agree with the direction the club were going, were clearly nonsense at the time and are more evidently the case now.

Having just earned promotion to the English Premier League the man chose not to be interviewed for the Celtic position, a perfectly defendable decision.  He was never offered a job.  Coyle performed well at St Johnstone (without winning promotion) and did well at Burnley before managing an inevitable decline at Bolton.  He remains a good manager who I hope gets back into the game soon.

The Bolton lesson to football is stark.  On some levels the club was well run.  Good manager, good scouts, a small but faithful following, a chairman who could see the iceberg ahead, all signed up to the ambition to remain in top flight football, but their budget was forever under pressure.   Debts topped £100m, although the directors ensured public services didn’t suffer as a result of their ‘ambition’.

Three years ago Phil Gartside, the Bolton chairman, knew the model in the English game was unsustainable and tried to change things.  He failed, unfortunately, and was unable to produce a reverse alchemy – turning tens of millions of pounds from Sky TV each year into a 17th place finish in the Premier League.  I hope the change works for them.

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  1. From what Phil has written why are the Police not involved, and if the answer is the same as AT got it has to go higher up the plod chain

  2. Just finished “the Lewis Man” by Peter May ( just 20p for the Kindle). What a wonderful read but previously did not know anything this which was still goimg on when I was about 10 yrs old:

     

     

    Air Fasdadh (Homers)

     

    The boarding-out of hundreds of parentless (often Catholic) ‘homer’ children from the southern urban sprawl to the distant Highlands began in late Victorian times and continued until the 1960’s. For almost one hundred years, children were sent to places such as Mull, Arisaig , Glenlivet , Barra , Eriskay and South Uist.

     

     

    There are stories around of members of staff (including nuns) setting off north with a vanload of children. They would stop off at the first village,ask if anyone was prepared to take a child, and carry on from village to village until the van was empty”.

  3. Steinreignedsupreme

     

     

    Nothing planned in Europe so far, recovering from a GAA intense few months.

     

     

    DD

  4. A COWBOY TOMBSTONE :

     

     

    Here are the Five Rules for Men to Follow for a Happy Life that Russell J. Larsen had inscribed on his headstone in Logan , Utah . He died not knowing that he would win the ‘Coolest Headstone’ contest.

     

     

    FIVE RULES FOR MEN TO FOLLOW FOR A HAPPY LIFE:

     

     

    1. It’s important to have a woman who helps at home, cooks from time to time, cleans up, and has a job.

     

     

    2. It’s important to have a woman who can make you laugh.

     

     

    3. It’s important to have a woman who you can trust, and doesn’t lie to you.

     

     

    4. It’s important to have a woman who is good in bed, and likes to be with you.

     

     

    5. It’s very, very important that these four women do not know each other or you could end up dead like me.

  5. miki, the only people who know that their is more than 1 verse to the national anthem aren’t English

  6. ernie

     

     

    Have a wee search for Mary Honeyball and some of her comments if you believe that the ‘hun’ attitude is only prevalent north of the border.

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    DonegalDanny..

     

     

    Whits Aboot Ye..?

     

     

    How is GweeDoreBhoy and Errrmm the Ither Brother..

     

     

    You must be a Disiple of the Prophet Samaras by Now Danny..

     

     

    After ALL they Away game Winning Goals he Scores..WeeGoreBhoy must be Ecstatic..;0(

     

     

    EnyWhooo Hope Yir Guid

     

     

    Summa

  8. That Austrian Felix Baumgartner mission must be – where all those due money for Jelavic are gone ? They must be checking few other requests and decided to delay mission.

  9. The Battered Bunnet on

    DBBIA

     

     

    You’ve evidently forgotten the missing Meissen incident, when ol’ BSR lost his best porcelain soup bowls in the unfortunate teutonic plates calamity.

  10. Summa of Sammi….

     

     

     

    Gweedorebhoy and Dr McKenna Cup? they’re both well…

     

     

    Samaras has made himself a cult hero, down, in no small part, to the man management skills of Neil Lennon.

     

     

    Although Samaras can still infuriate at times, when he fancies it, he’s near unplayable*

     

     

    *views subject to change ;)

     

     

    DD

  11. dd

     

     

    Glad to see you back posting.

     

     

    Bet you couldn’t believe your luck that Donegal and Mayo both got to the final. Who’d a thought that a couple of years ago.

     

     

    It’s almost as unbelievable as seeing Rangers liquidated.

     

     

    Mort

  12. traditionalist88 on

    McGuinness: No Celtic offer

     

    By Alan Foley

     

     

    Tuesday, October 09, 2012

     

     

    All-Ireland-winning Donegal boss Jim McGuinness insists he has not been approached by either Celtic or Liverpool but revealed he spent time with the Glasgow club this summer.

     

     

    Speculation has been rife about the future of McGuinness, whose background is in sports science and psychology, with claims he had been offered positions with both cross channel clubs.

     

     

    The Liverpool link was quickly quashed over the weekend and yesterday McGuinness moved to distance himself from a possible move to the Scottish Premier League giants.

     

     

    McGuinness, who admits to always being a Celtic supporter, was invited to Celtic Park in August for the Champions League qualifier against Swedish side Helsingborg IF and also spent time at the club’s Lennoxtown training facility.

     

     

    Celtic manager Neil Lennon, who played Gaelic football as a county minor in his native Armagh, had been in touch with McGuinness as Donegal’s championship season was only taking shape.

     

     

    Lennon, in turn, was a spectator at Croke Park as Donegal defeated Mayo 2-11 to 0-13 in the All-Ireland final and was at the victorious team’s banquet that night.

     

     

    “Nobody has approached me,” McGuinness told Highland Radio’s Shaun Doherty Show yesterday.

     

     

    “I was invited over to Celtic a number of weeks ago for a Champions League match. It was a great experience to go over and see it. The day before the game, I was invited over to the training ground for a look.

     

     

    “I met everyone over there and they have some set-up with fantastic people, from recruitment, talent identification, strength and conditioning and just the coaches themselves and the facilities.

     

     

    “It was something I took with open arms when I was asked if I wanted to go over. It was something I enjoyed. From my own point of view, I come from sports science background so it was great to see.

     

     

    “He showed me a lot of things in terms of how they operate. They have a very sophisticated system in relation to how they identify players, how they recruit and also how they analyse and evaluate games.

     

     

    “If things work out with Donegal, hopefully we might be able to tap into some of that in the future.”

     

     

    The transformation of Donegal’s footballing fortunes in just 20 months with McGuinness in charge is of biblical proportion.

     

     

    Before his appointment, Donegal were the first team eliminated from the championship in 2010 and now, with the same panel of players barring the promoting of Patrick McBrearty to the seniors, Sam Maguire is nestling in the hills.

     

     

    The word has spread and 39-year-old McGuinness admits he would have to consider any offer that came his way.

     

     

    “If a professional football team, or any professional sporting organisation came in and said they were interested in talking about work, it is obviously something that I’d have to consider. I’m a young man with a young family and three kids so it’s something that I’d have to consider.

     

     

    “There have been a few things since the final from a consultancy point of view, with football teams and different sports that want work done with them. That happens on an ongoing basis anyway. I did more of that before I took the Donegal job.

     

     

    “My background is in sports science and in psychology, which are transferable across all sports. I have trained Finn Harps for a year, I trained Limavady United for a year, worked with Derry City. I’ve worked with golfers, Gaelic footballers, male, female and young people across the spectrum.

     

     

    “It wouldn’t scare me,” McGuinness added. “If something came up, I would have to discuss it with my wife but Donegal is where I’m from and Donegal is my love and passion.

     

     

    “It would have to be something that I would have to look at very seriously if there was going to be anything. That isn’t the case at the moment and hasn’t been the case. Who knows what the future holds?”

     

     

    Since getting the county job, McGuinness has got his players to commit and focus. An evolving system and progress through the championship let them believe and their dream of winning an All-Ireland was achieved. But that doesn’t mean it’s now the end of the road for the team, or manager.

     

     

    “It gets better if you can win a second one and a third one,” McGuinness added.

     

     

    “My goal is to achieve as much as I can with the boys in the timeframe we’re operating in.”

     

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  13. Mort

     

     

     

    On the GAA:

     

     

    You know I thought it would be good, but having connections on both sides it was difficult to enjoy it too much, Mayo will be back although some news around Horan staying sounds ominous.

     

     

    On Sevco 5088:

     

     

    Pass the popcorn is all i’ll say, not the end of the fun by a long shot IMO

     

     

    DD

  14. South Of Tunis on

    Hamiltontim @ 14 50 .

     

     

    Butting in ————

     

     

    Mary Honeyball ?

     

     

    The MEP ?.

     

     

    She isn’t a Hun —— she is a secularist —— .

  15. Ernie Lynch

     

     

    I agree that is a worry but just as the SPL has become less competitive for Celtic but not others vieing for 2nd place so is the same happening to the EPL.

     

     

    However as long as the world lines up to watch the fat guys eat the skinny guys on TV the fat guys are not going to care one jot.

     

     

    Now letting the fat guys eat each other might be the more entertaining way to go whilst in the meantime the skinnies get on with playing unadulerated football.

     

     

    Why all clubs do not agree to a simple wage cap I do not know.

     

     

    Football is the only industry dictated to by the workers where the decisions of the few at the top undermine the conditions of less gifted fellow workers. Result is a shrinking cake with the fat guys getting more and more of the share.

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    DD..

     

     

    Re; Sammi..

     

     

    That’s You.back on the Christmas Card List.. Ha..

     

     

    Summa..

     

     

    Ps.. Danny.. Your Not Owen Coyle are You..as I Noticed Bolton always played at Home when Celtic did.. ;0)))))

  17. donegaldanny

     

     

    I feel sorry for Mayo and its supporters. They are one of those teams who lack any sort of continuity which impacts on them greatly.

     

     

    They have some excellent players but just came up against an unstoppable force in Donegal.

     

     

    The way they dismantled Dublin in the semis was a joy and they had an equally impressive performance against Cork last season. If they could just get some consistency going, they could be the one team that could put up a serious challenge to Donegal in the next couple of years.

     

     

    I don’t think we are there just yet, maybe a couple of years but from what I have seen of Donegal this year and last, the major threat to their challenge next season will come from within, i.e. if players have spent too long celebrating over the winter break or take things too easily but I don’t think Jim will allow this to happen.

     

     

    Mort

  18. Auldheid and Ernie Lynch

     

     

    Would it be such a bad thing if all the billionaires’ puppet-show globetrotter clubs did walking away? How many would be outside the official football tent: Chelsea, Man City, Málaga (if they survive), Paris St Germain … I can’t think of many more.

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    DIBBA..

     

     

    That Girl (The Red Haired One) was Interviewed this Week on Oz TV.. She had a Polo Neck on.. It was Breakfast TV tho..;0((

     

     

    Hope She does a Late Nite Chat show..

     

     

    I Might get a Couple of Mugs of Horlicks to Keep me Warm..

     

     

    Summa..

     

     

    Ps.. Is She a Actress..?

  20. SoT

     

     

    She’s also the woman who stated that there were too many Catholics in the cabinet.

     

     

    That was the comment I was referring to.

  21. Steinreignedsupreme on

    This is the final call for Billionaires travelling on Moonbeams Airlines flight number 1690 to Glasgow Airport.

     

     

    Will all billionaires please make you way to the front of the 2012 lounge – the flight is now boarding.

  22. DonegalDanny

     

    Great to see you back. It has been so long that I might even have been Hotsmokedsalmon in those days!

     

    I remember sticking up for you sometimes as I genuinely believed your mainly negative posting was down to frustration and a love of Celtic.Posters such as Madmitch,Neganon and Timbhoy2 never came over that way for me.

     

     

    JJ

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