Campbell Ogilvie’s appointment as president of the SFA was always controversial. As general secretary and director of Rangers, Ogilvie was the club’s chief administrator during the final 11-year period they refused to employ Catholic footballers. In many other walks of life, this background would make him an embarrassing relic of a former era, but in Scottish football it was enough to see him promoted to the ultimate honour position.
He remained in position at Rangers long after the new regime of Sir David Murray arrived and set aside the decades-old sectarian employment policy but left the club in 2005, joining Hearts as operations director two months later. All of this puts the SFA president in central position regarding the on-going tax tribunal, which is charged with deciding if Rangers illegally evaded tax from a period starting in 2000 and going on well beyond Ogilvie’s departure.
If the First Tier Tribunal finds against Rangers the SFA must ask for Ogilvie’s immediate resignation. The association cannot have a president embroiled in a tax evasion scam which, even before a verdict has been decided, has already caused untold harm to his former club and the reputation Scottish football. The scale of the damage to public finances has yet to be definitively established but it will not make good reading.
The SFA has just embarked on its first proper investigation into whether directors of a football club, in this instance Rangers, are fit and proper persons to hold such a position. Office holders at the association cannot exercise power over the game if they are not subject to the same standards they demand from clubs. Pending this investigation, and the outcome of the tax tribunal, Ogilvie should temporarily step aside. Scotland is not yet a banana republic, public bodies must have robust ethics and must not allow the shadow of contagion to be cast over the body charged with ensuring legal and moral standards are adhered to.
The SFA has some enormously important months ahead. Its president is currently in a position to influence which course it takes and, if the tribunal verdict falls against Rangers, could be implicated in the scandal which precipitated the crisis. While I am sure Campbell Ogilvie will be shown to have acted with impeccable ethical standards, the SFA must quickly establish a structure clear of contagion.
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Any chance of a jelly and ice cream new post Paul just to put an end to all this nonsense on here at the mo?
Cheers.
HH
/Bishop B
Jelly & ice cream, anyone … ?
My dear,dear,dear,friend.. Philvis
Nae matter whit,palomine
At least wan Heart ….oan Here..
‘
Beats Fur Ye!
Heck..
Wan oota.. A Coupla Thoosand…
Which..
Ah know..
That’s No Much..
But, whit kin Ah tell ye,pal???
Face it Pal..
You and Ah are jist No Appreciated…oan this
Forum..
We are Soitenly… No Entitled tae Voice an Opinion.
We must be quieted..at all costs..
Heck..
If oor Message goat oot.. tae the General Public..
My…
That widnae be Nice..wid it?
That is..
According tae the Majority Opinion ,oan Here.
It wid Upset the Status Quo.
Right?
Darned Right.’
Kojo
yer pal.. who wull back ye tae the end..
The Battered Bunnet:
Afternoon fella. Good to see you today.
How you enjoying The Greatest Show in Town?
Are those timelines coming into focus yet? I even heard them being discussed on Clyde recently.
IMO
Everybody who claims unemployment benefit should have to do something to earn it. Now that could be getting work experience with a company, it could scrubbing grafitti of the walls, cleaning river banks etc etc, but nobody who is fit and able to work should be given money to sit on their fat lazy bahookies.
That is one of the reasons the country is in the mess its in. Its crazy that when the government try to cap the maximum benefits a person can get at the same level as the take home pay of someone earning £35k they get criticised for it.
Having Sky is not a human right, neither is having a phone etc etc.
You want them go and earn the money for them!
RogueLeader : I use ‘body armour’ in the verbal argument,metaphorical,analogous context; not literally!
Anyway,I’m not defending myself. It’s philvisreturns who needs brought down over his anti-poor,anti-disabled,anti-immigrant,misogynistic comments. This an open forum,but his words are truly offensive;they may even be open to reporting to The Boys in Blue. Do I mean the polis.or his brethern in Ibrox? Who knows,who cares.
He certainly needs a good spanking from his mummy…but then that’s probably the source of his disturbed & disturbing thinking.
I speak as a clinical psychiatrist.
James Forrest is The Emperor of Ice Cream – You want to debate like grown ups now?
Make your mind up, James.
Only a few minutes ago you were crying and calling me a fascist bigot. You can’t flip-flop between hysterial outbursts and logical debate and expect to win the argument – I know that game, I’m already married. (thumbsup)
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Kojo – I think our James is basically a good guy, but I agree with you, he had a lot to learn. Once he grows out of this socialist phase he’ll be fine. (thumbsup)
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gerryguk7 – We’ll I’m hardly a wee, sleekit, cowrin, tim’rous beastie. (thumbsup)
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Awe_Naw_No_Annoni_Oan_Anaw_Noo – Thanks, I think? :) (thumbsup)
The Battered Bunnet says:
21 February, 2012 at 15:00
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he also used the eff word, something Sir Paul normally spots and deletes.
I suppose we should be grateful he didn’t once say “outwith” (instead of “outside”).
:D)
greenjedi
why do you presume that those that are unemployed have fat backsides ?
Start with the bankers … it is they that have their hands in the till of the taxpayer
Hail Hail
you know Ally is being sincere when he says “very very”.
miki67 – If you feel a crime has been committed, please contact:
Strathclyde Police Headquarters
173 Pitt Street
Glasgow
G2 4JS
Telephone: (UK) 0141 532 2000
It’s a fair cop, guv. (thumbsup)
Lennon n Mc….Mjallby @ 14:32,
“Is there a time limit to the SFA enquiry and what exactly are they investigating?”
I posted a bit earlier that the lack of transparancy regarding the terms of reference was concerning but it is a two week process, so if they stick to that I’m guessing the remit will be rather narrow.
“The Independent Inquiry shall be afforded the same powers as the Scottish FA to investigate the potential breach of a number of its Articles of Association and shall present its findings to the Board within two weeks.”
So I’m happy with the calibre of the panel and the two week timeline will not allow them to kick it into the long grass.
They can always have a post mortem afterwards:-)
philvis..,
you’ll point out the lies then eh, only lies I’ve noticed have been coming from your unsubstantiated claims, but then thats yor normal argument style, absolute rubbish spouted as FACT, nothing to back it up, refusal to discuss points, then run away when you get nailed, I m ust admit I’m surprised you got a rise out of JF again :o)
sweary words, so what, as far as I’m concerned some of the misinformation you are trying to pass off here is far more damaging than the odd profanity.
But yer a tim
hail hail
Golly
philvisreturns says:
21 February, 2012 at 15:04
Awe_Naw_No_Annoni_Oan_Anaw_Noo – Thanks, I think? :)
That will be a new experience phil ;-)
Hail Hail
miki67 – as a clinical psychiatrist you should be well aware of the imagery the use of such a term conjures.
I am with TBB here. I am not making any comments on anybody’s politics however your posts have been bang out of line with regard to what we have on this blog. The fact we don’t rattle into each other and instead attack the words rather than the speaker is why so many of us spend our time here rather than elsewhere.
I wonder if Brother Walfrid would identify with some pf our contributors current views on the unemployed struggling to find work in these difficult economic times, certainly not Celtic men as i would understand
greenjedi – Everybody who claims unemployment benefit should have to do something to earn it. Now that could be getting work experience with a company, it could scrubbing grafitti of the walls, cleaning river banks etc etc, but nobody who is fit and able to work should be given money to sit on their fat lazy bahookies.
That is one of the reasons the country is in the mess its in. Its crazy that when the government try to cap the maximum benefits a person can get at the same level as the take home pay of someone earning £35k they get criticised for it.
Having Sky is not a human right, neither is having a phone etc etc.
You want them go and earn the money for them!
Absolutely spot on. (thumbsup)
lionroars67 – I wonder if Brother Walfrid would identify with some pf our contributors current views on the unemployed struggling to find work in these difficult economic times, certainly not Celtic men as i would understand
You think Brother Walfrid would be against people being asked to do a little bit of work in exchange for their benefits? (thumbsup)
Jeez, all that debating about poverty; I thought I had went into rfc.helplineforallyappeal.com
Whats that saying never bother your enemy etc.
Do it yourself,numpty….you obviously realise your comments are criminal and feel the need to report yourself. You just want someone else to do it for you. But hey,isn’t that the kind of thing you rant about?
And having the address & phone no. of our finest,you must be very familiar with them….one way or another.
greenjedi:
Maybe philivisreturns will chip in here, as I’ve challenged him to debate this properly and he’s responded as above, with evasion. That said, this is a question to you.
So, you force unemployed people to do these jobs. For free. And that benefits who, exactly?
The companies which otherwise would have to PAY people to do those jobs, thereby lifting them off the unemployment lists, will get their labour for sod all, and ergo there is no need for them to hire people. In fact, as they can get people to come in and do these jobs for free they can start looking at their paid workforce and perhaps start thinking about ways to trim it some … after all, the more people are on the dole the greater the resource pool they have to tap into.
There was a word for that kind of thing long ago … oh yes, that’s it. Slavery. It was popular in Imperial Rome, especially when the conquests of the Empire had put a third of the world under the control of the Caesars. The problem was, there were so many slaves engaged in work that honest men and women, who wanted jobs, couldn’t get them … and so those land owners and farmers who had the slaves got richer and the average citizen got poorer.
Not only is it a dehumanizing policy, one that is utterly sickening in the modern world, but it is acutely self-defeating, and perpetuates the very condition it is set up to fix.
I can only conclude it is a reprehensible political measure, designed to appease Daily Mail readers. Otherwise we are back in dark, dark times I would have hoped were past.
Very good chance they we will be 23points clear b4 they play ICT. Very good chance they will drop points there. Does anyone actually think we will be allowed to win the league at ibrokes on march25th??
a spades a spade
the same as fascist scum is fascist scum
that is not a boundary crosse
and you have no right to make it a boundary
Cyber peace pipe lads ?
Their institution is crumbling
It’s a happy hoopy time
We’ll all remember february 2012 for the beginning of their end.
Not this.
Pls ?
HH
Greek Bailout for 130b euros goes ahead.
Rangers ask for a loan.
Been out – re; huns. What gives?
Off the current thread
Does anyone know when the cup final tickets ( for seaon tkt holders ) go in sale?
PC67
tomtheleedstim – still here, ugly and broke
is tomorrow nights game on sky?
p
James
Timelines wise:
Theoretically, it’s all coming down in time enough to start something new for the beginning of next season.
Practically, looks like they’ll be sat there for a year or two, waiting on the outcomes of umpteen court cases.
Looks like ticketus have been sold a right pup, and you can expect legal action for recovery. Of course it may not succeed, but for £24.4M they will be energetic in their pursuit.
Then their is the issue of Wrongful Trading to consider. If Insolvency was the foreseen outcome when the business was bought, then doing stuff like selling future years’ tickets and trading on withheld VAT and PAYE looks like a bit of a sticking point.
If the Police are, as rumoured, investigating the allegation of uttering in relation to the sale of RFC, none of the assets can move. If there is a criminal charge, the assets will likely be sequestrated pending the outcome.
We’re talking padlocks, which is a change from my usual bollox I suppose.
Remains all Ifs and Buts, but steadily the information is coming out, and soon enough we’ll have the full picture.
TBB
pabloh_AKA_NEIL LENNON says:
21 February, 2012 at 15:11
Very good chance they we will be 23points clear b4 they play ICT. Very good chance they will drop points there. Does anyone actually think we will be allowed to win the league at ibrokes on march25th??
I posted this earlier….
If I read it right it seems that Laura Brannan (LB?) thinks the game at Poundland is getting moved or am I wrong?
“celticfc @CraigyBhoy88 The date’s going to change, it’s no longer March 25th, details still to be confirmed. (LB)
BABASONICOS71
Amazes me how even the most intelligent of people are still taken in by the political system.It’s a big game used to divide and conquer.And with it’s allies in banks and big business it seeks to maintain the population as tax slaves…..
INDEED.
My sentiments exactly when reading the exchanges on here…
Our rivals find themselves in a surreal soap opera we would not dare to imagine.
The SFA is under the microscope as a result.
The MSM has been exposed for the PR sham it is..
And…
Posters on here argue over some false dichotomy.
All over Europe consultants of Goldman Sachs are being annointed to previously democratically appointed positions.
There is no democracy. No Left and Right.
It is an illusion similar to the Great White Knight who came to their emotional rescue.
An Empty Vessel.
RE Tescos and workfare, I wrote this elsewhere:
“Sometimes we have students in to do ‘work experience’. We generally create something useful for them to do.
Are Tesco creating something useful for them to do? Do they over-stack the shelves, put more fruit out than normal? open more tills than needed?
No, probably not. Actually they are filling real work that if they weren’t there would be done by real employees- for real money. Who is the welfare junkie?
ps I’m not a ‘job-snob’. I don’t think there is anything wrong with working in a supermarket. Indeed I think it deserves a decent wage.”
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RE the idea that this country is “going to the dogs” because of lazy scroungers.
Well… with any benefits system there are always a few chancers. Right now we are not having an unemployment crisis due to a sudden explosion of chancers but because there are ~4-5 unemployed for each vacancy.
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RE the idea about people taking home benefits of £35K-
I think that is fair enough but there are an absolutely minuscule number of people taking home those sorts of benefits. They cost an unacceptable £100m or less. However they have been used as propaganda to cover for a ~11Bn cut in welfare. Most of that money is cut not from the unemployed but from tax credits and housing benefit (which goes to landlords!) that mostly tops up wages for people in low paid work.
jock steins celtic says:
21 February, 2012 at 15:06
you know Ally is being sincere when he says “very very”.
You know Ally is being sincere when he says “i honestly believe”.
RogueLeader : fair enough,and point taken.I wouldn’t normally get so irate about non- football matters here. It’s just that,under the circumstances,I’m feeling extremely hurt & offended by ‘philvisreturns’. That is his intention,no doubt,and I should not rise to the bait.
I value this site; it’s the absolute best forum for all matters re. Celtic & our community.
I’ve taken on board the words from you & others re.’ philvisreturns ‘ and I’ll get back on track & concentrate on football.
KJamBhoy says:
21 February, 2012 at 15:00
Wonder if anyone is condemning the unemployed while skiving on a football blog?
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Wonder if anyone is condemning the EMPLOYED while skiving on a football blog? :-)