You want some good news? Around £1m of Tottenham’s money for Victor Wanyama will find its way to Celtic, which will offset some of the economic impact of this morning’s news. This aside, there is only bad news. If we want to buy footballers priced in euros (or anything other than GPB) they will cost more money. We will also have to pay higher wages to be competitive with European clubs.
Goods will cost more – it will start today with fuel and travel, then food, electrical goods and everything else. Wages will buy less (not just less-able footballers). Borrowing repayments will be higher. Business expenditure, wages and employment will drop, so will the tax take – and money available for welfare spend. The poor always pay the highest penalty.
If you are rich enough and without a mortgage you can indulge in flag waving all day, happy in a delusion that self-determination even remotely exists in modern economies. Or that more self-determination over here, and a little less over there, is a panacea. It’s not, it’s just another economic crisis coming your way soon.
The entire political class have failed us. Calling a flag waving referendum was a grubby attempt to hold onto power by the prime minister; this mess is his making. Whoever succeeds him will have to successfully pander to the same party membership in order to get elected.
Jeremy Corbyn’s mealie-mouthed campaigning was an embarrassment. His “7 out of 10” backing for remain did what it was supposed to do: convince people he was going through the motions for something he didn’t believe in.
Who’s ever heard of a leader winning support for an issue he is prepared to back 7 out of 10 himself? He should go, but political ego will ensure he’ll hang around to make sure Johnson wins the next general election.
It took six days for the Greek government to abandon their own disastrous EU referendum mandate. Instead of attempting a rescue, all our political ‘leaders’ will give us is more populist power grabs. It’s already underway.
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Fitting dramatic finish in store
Messi and Vidal both miss.Wow
Chile up first
Saved.
Argentina. Messi over the bar.
Chile score. Hammered into top of net.
Argentina score almost same spot
Chile score
Argentina score low into corner
2-2
Chile 3-2
Argentina penalty saved. 3-2
Deciding penalty upcoming from Chile
Chile win
Great save Bravo.
And Silva scores.
Chile wins.
They deserved it.
What an entertaining final.
Vamos Chile!
What a game!
Superior to the Euros IMHO.
Refreshing to see an unfancied country win something.
Macjay,
Malvinas or The Falklands?
Early nineties I was working in Argentina, 2 hours flying south of BA. Sitting one night with the rig manager he came out with the following statement.
” we won the war” I asked him to explain. “We got rid of our dictator, you got one!”
Shook his his hand and said “no argument ”
Thatcher was informed by both CIA & MI5 that Argentina was going to invade. IMO if we had sent the Navy down there on manoeuvres Argentinas “scrap metal dealers” would not have landed and raised the Argentina flag saving many lifes
Morning all.
A very happy hoopy birthday to ANGELGABRIEL!
HH!!
In the name o’ the wee man, Paul 67, gonnae gie us a fitba heider as ma heid is bilin’ fae a’ this politickin’ an ma finger is sore fae tryin’ tae scroll by!
Tae scroll by, but, ye hae tae read sum o’ whit the guy posts!
Hail! Hail!
Terrymac
FESS19 on 27TH JUNE 2016 5:39 AM
Macjay,
The British reaction could and probably should have been better.
That`s probably why Pym ( I think ) resigned .
None of that supports the contention that Thatcher ” wanted the war ” for political purposes.
Far more evidence that that was precisely the motive of Galtieri and his band of socialist murdering fascists.
The Argentinian rig manager has a far better understanding of the issues than some on C.Q.N.
You should have suggested a statue to the leaderene in downtown B.A.
:-)
HAPPY HOOOOOOPY BIRTHDAY to
ANGELGABRIEL!!!!!
Shared with Charles Parnell,btw.
MACJAY
You clearly regard That her as a most astute and intelligent politician-sometimes almost like Norman St John Stevas did(!)-and that being the case,why did she ignore warnings from all over about the threat to this little bit of British Sovereignty which was so obviously close to her heart?
It wouldn’t have been because she heard them,considered the ramifications,and thought…
What would an astute and intelligent politician do in such a scenario?
Blinkin’ flip. Even my spellcheck disnae like Thatcher!
That George Osborne statement in full…
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=G2DCExerOsA
BMCUW
Or Charles Stewart Parnell, to give him his Sunday name.
HH!!
BOBBY MURDOCH’S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS on 27TH JUNE 2016 7:29 AM
Bobby.
There is no way to convince minds that are adamantly anti-Thatcher.
You are suggesting that the invasion was preventable.
Just assume you are correct .
How long did it take to put the task force together ?
She made many mistakes. As you would in ten years , but was not ejected by the British electorate.
Why shouldn`t she be accused of those mistakes instead of this speculative accusation based on anti-Thatcherism.
Mate.
I`ll say no more on the subject.
Promise.
I see Messi’s retired from international football.Hope it extends his club career by a few years,the longer we get to watch him the better.It’s been a privilege to witness him reminding us on an almost weekly basis that football is still capable of magic.
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From a county Mayo town came a man of great renown
As a sailor and a soldier was none bolder
He went to America at an early age they say
As a cabin boy to sail the wide world over
Then adventure took him south to the De La Plata mouth
San Martin was on the route in Argentina
So three whaling ships he bough and Brazil and Spain he fought
And freedom then he sought for Argentina
Now Admiral William Brown you’re a man of courage shown
And in battles fought the odds were all ahainst you
But your Irish heart was strong and in memory still lives on
And in Irelan there are some that dont forget you
On St.Patrick’s day it’s told you had many victories bold
You defeated all invaders thugs and bullys
Then through the Pampas rose and you found a happy home
‘Las Islas Malvinas Argintina.
[3]
He had heard of Irish hands in the noble gallant bands
That helpet to free the called Argintina
He had heard with great acclaim the Patricos name and fame
When in 1806 the British came for slaughter
And to this very day in the Argintine they say
The English ran away from Buenos Aires
To the Islands futher down and they took them for the crown
”Las Islas Malvinas,Argintina”
[4]
We remember William Brown and his land of great renown
He, invader of the islands from your country
When in 1833 were by pirates forced to flee
And in Ireland sure we know the story fully
And the people that went too,to the Argintine when new
To escape the English laws and wars and famine
They had proved a loyal crew just like all the Irish do
”Las Islas Malvinas Argintinas”
[5]
The old colonial days and the cruel English ways
With her thunder plunder we will teach the natives
For the Brits are going to war just like Whitelocke did before
With her ships and guns and drums and flags and banners
In the empire days ofold when they murdered for the gold
And paraded it arount the streets of London
Oh no human rights were given to the natives dead or living
”Las Islas Malivinas Argintina
[6]
In the Argintine he died Father Fahey by his side
’57 was the year his country mourned him
A hero of the nation he’s remembered with elation
Throughout the world where freedom still abounds
And the southerde cross take note where bold Willie Bullfin wrote
The Irish still support you Argintina
With the empire thumbling down let no Paddies back the crown
”Las Islas Malvinas Argintina
TALLYBHOY
Aye,true.
Mon the cod-warriors and Italy tonight!
Forgot the link
https://youtu.be/BniyC33QdjM
BABASONICOS71 on 27TH JUNE 2016 7:39 AM
Which just serves to underline the commonly held contention that fascism and Catholicism are closely allied.
:-(
MACJAY
“Why shouldn`t she be accused of those mistakes instead of this speculative accusation based on anti-Thatcherism.”
Because I’ve read her book twice looking for apologies for her mistakes. And I only ever found one.
She regretted that the UK workforce hadn’t become more mobile due to a lack of privately-let properties,meaning that people preferred to stay put with their families rather than move away for work.
Quite how that was meant to improve the function of family life,I don’t know. Might have kept divorce lawyers busy though.
BMCUW
Not entirely confident that Italy will win tonight.
Could go to penalties, I think.
Aye c’mon the Icelanders/Icelandics(?!).
shuggyedvaldsonCSC
HH!!
HAPPY HOOPY BIRTHDAY TO ANGEL GABRIEL. Did you see my post re The Open ? Anyway at 13 th hole all week.
COSY CORNER BHOY
Hope to see you at the Open.
I have tickets for two of the practice days – Tuesday and Wednesday – courtesy of ROBINBHOY.
Yer bhoy says he will forward your ‘phone no so we can make arrangements to meet up for a beer and a chat.
Take care n HH!!
ANGEL GABRIEL,many happy returns.
My bhoy’s called Gabriel,always digged that name. :))
BATISTUTAcsc
“Socialist murdering fascists. ”
I wonder if that’s all Fascists, or just selected ones, Ol Maggie was partial to a Fascist during her time, allegedly.
TET
Aye Maggie and Pinochet were bosom buddies.
Did he not stay with her briefly. when he came to London for medical treatment?
HH!!
I would really enjoy an Iceland win today but can’t see it happening.Although I think England are lacklustre and without genuine world class players (Rooney when younger maybe) I believe they’ll still have enough to see them through.I’d love to be proved wrong though.
In the other match I reckon the winner will go on to make the final.Italy looked good in their opening two games and definitely better than some commentators predicted but I think Spain will edge it.For me Iniesta has been the best player on show so far and with the support he gets from Busquets,Silva and Fabregas I predict they’ll run out winners by a couple,3-1.
It’s all meaningless anyway,football’s only worthwhile when the Bhoys are playing.
CANNYWAITFORNEWSEASONcsc
THE EXILED TIM on 27TH JUNE 2016 8:09 AM
‘[Ol Maggie was partial to a Fascist during her time,’
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She was also very unfortunate in the number of paedophiles she associated with. Not that she would have known, of course. Whether the security services knew is another matter.
SETTING FREE THE BEARS FOR RES. 12 & OSCAR KNOX on 26TH JUNE 2016 11:02 PM
Hrvatski Jim
“I have never mentioned Nick Robinson on here. Must have been another poster. ”
And I never said you did tonight.
I said that you had during the Indy Ref complained about biased BBC reporting including that of Nick Robinson, who had the spat with Alex Salmond. Was that not so?
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The word “never” speaks for itself..
When asked what his team talk to England would be, Terry Butcher said “go out there and grind them into the dust”.
The man is clearer a tactical genius.
Who got Hibs relegated again?
“O, wad some Power the giftie gie us
To see oursels as others see us!
It wad frae monie a blunder free us,
An’ foolish notion.”
http://www.highsnobiety.com/2016/06/25/last-week-tonight-john-oliver-brexit/
Very funny. Disnae miss the target.
Good morning from a sunny but windy view of the Ochil Hills.
Week off work and heading off to Berwick for a impulse booked caravan holiday. Once the plumber comes to stop my boiler leaking.
We signed anyone yet or sorted that hole in the bus Park?
HH
Oh, it other news my bespoke adverts that appear when I log in tell me that a jacket I bought last week is now reduced.
I blame winning captains. :-)
Giggsy my boiler is leaking too, but they ordered the wrong part…fixed tomorrow if I wait from 1pm until 6pm!!
Juy duty in Paisley this morning…brilliant start to the week…sigh!
Enjoy your break buddy!
HH
Macjay
I don’t know when you moved to Australia but your recollections re the Falklands/ Malvinas are way off, maybe deliberately so.
Jim Callaghan sent the Navy “on excercises” twice in the late 70s to yje South Atlantic to deter the junta in Buenos Aires from making any aggressive move towards the disputed islands. He did not make a song and dance just did what was necessary. Thatcher was 20 odd % behind in the polls following her trashing of the metal industries in the NE and Midlands and needed the boost of a “patriotic war”. The conflict was entirely preventable. The sub which sank the battleship heading OUT of the exclusion zone lost its log book amid the ro about who ordered the sinking of the Belgrano, the only Royal Navy boat in history to do so.
Thatcher was a murdering, heartless COW.
Pre Falklands …– Thatcher’s numbers were plummeting-
So what.
Fully two years before she has to go to the people.
That`s TWO YEARS .
If a week is a long time in politics , how long is two years.
So what is the reason why she was not due to win an election. Just like the brexiteers her election promises were seen to be the smoke and mirrors that they were. Her powerful Saatchi and Saatchi image of the “Labour isn’t working” lengthy dole queues was rebounding on her as the dole queues lengthened as she surrendered heavy industry to our competitors. In 1970, manufacturing accounted for 20.57% of UK GDP. By 1979 that was down to 17.62% of GDP. By the time she left office, it was down to 15.18%. Poverty went up under Thatcher- In 1979, 13.4% of the population lived below 60% of median incomes before housing costs. By 1990, it had gone up to 22.2%, or 12.2m people, with huge rises in the mid-1980s.
So- what else, apart from the Falklands War and the publicity campaign surrounding it, affected those plummeting popularity figures? The narrative our children are told is that she turned round our economy and was successfully re-elected twice more. We don’t hear much about those unpopular years of 79 to 82 when her numbers tanked. Despite the existence of the SDP, which did not exist in 1979, which split the Labour vote, she won the 83 election with a lower share of the vote (down 1.5%) than in 79- think how it might have been and where it was heading before the Flaklands and triumphal parading happened.
Post-Falklands- she was certain of victory- True or False?
Just your opinion. Opinions can`t be true or false.
Backed by opinion poll sampling which is based on the expressed views and opinions of the electorate. Those showed huge anger and disappointment. Ipsos-Mori states:-
“However, there were considerable periods of unpopularity, including Conservative support falling to a consistent level of 27% throughout the Autumn of 1981 as the SDP was launched and formed an Alliance with the Liberals. But six months later, as the Falklands were regained ………….the party’s support almost doubled, to 51%.”
Oh! and of course opinions can be true or false. If I say I am as good a footballer as Messi, it can be easily disproven. If I say that plants are poisoning us with carbon dioxide, I can be disproven. If you opine that Jack Jones was a commie spy, you can be disproven.
Would you have allowed the fascist Galtieri and his cohorts a victory ?
Foot and the Labour party didn`t .
Would you?
The Labour Party approved the Task Force – they did not and could not approve the actions for war. Nobody was consulted when Thatcher ordered the Belgrano to be sank. With that one action- the diplomatic efforts were sunk too, much to the annoyance of even the gung-ho USA government of Ronnie Raygun.
Galtieri`s cohorts are being prosecuted to this day because of the ” Dirty war.”
With absolutely no impetus from Thatcher of the Tories. She did nothing to prevent their success and was happy to trade with them, until they “invaded” the islands just off their shore. She protected the equally bloodthirsty Pinochet as she was too busy denouncing Nelson Mandela who was making things difficult for her husband’s trading interests. Not a word of denunciation did she ever utter about the political leanings of the Junta- after all they were not commies, which was all that mattered- not their dictatorial leanings. Their overthrow and prosecution was an unfortunate side effect to her.
If your accusation stands up , why did she wait for a year before calling an election ?
Why wouldn`t she have gone straight to the people ?
You already had your answer in my post but you appear not to have read through as you, later, posted your next question which makes this one redundant.
The gap of a year gave room for the exploitation of returning soldiers and sailors to cement the victory as a rush to the polls within weeks of entering Stanley would have been seen as opportunistic.
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WHIT ?
That`s what you have just accused her of being.
Fully two years before she has to go to the people.
That`s TWO YEARS .
If a week is a long time in politics , how long is two years.
She went to the polls when the poll figures showed she had a chance to win again. In the immediate weeks after entering Stanley, the legacy was too mixed. The images of the dead and injured of our troops was too raw to declare this a complete success. But, when The Sun (Wot won the war and the election, remember?) got to work and the euphoria of welcoming the troops home was cranked up, so too were her poll figures and her election chances. The creation of the SDP helped too. The summer of 1983 was the optimum time as far as her figures recovering was concernedd. If she were to wait until 5 years had passed, it would have looked too much like a desperate hanging on and who knows when the war costs have to be paid what the economy would have looked like without further sell offs of the family silver to her pals at knock down prices.
I’m back to work now
Macjay
Your recollection of the era is a bit faulty if you think Galtieri and crew were socialist.
These guys suspended Trade Unions and “disappeared” thousands of left wing “subversives” but no right wingers or industrialists were harmed in the making of their fascist regime.”
Your also wrong about Pym who was not removed until after the 83 election because he was a “wet” rather than any Falklands related misdemeanour. You might be mis-remembering John Nott- (who knows when you get so much else wrong?). John Nott (with the unfortunately named wife of Shirley Nott) who offered his resignation, along with Lord Carrington, in order to deflect the culpability away from The Glorious Leader ( a trend she continued of “sacking a minion” whenever she made a mistake). She accepted carrington’s resignation but not John Nott’s, again because of their respective wetness and dryness rather than on the share of cock up that she and they shared for not taking preventive measures in The Falklands prior to the war.
MACJAY
Where’s PHILVISRETURNS when you need him?
Keep voicing your opinions,bud. I’m partial to a friendly disagreement or ten-you might have noticed!-but while I don’t admire your opinions,I admire the strength-and,largely,good humour-with which you express them.
But yer still wrang!!!