I wonder if we will see two rival Scottish Premier Leagues next season? We could see a SPL consistent with the threats made to SFL clubs last week, let’s call it SPL Loyal, with Hibs, KIlmarnock and a few others. They would sit atop a feeder league containing whoever they could attract from the SFL and Sevco, who due to fan power would be excluded from the top division, no matter how few teams that division had.
Meanwhile a rival SPL could setup, let’s call it SPL Solvent, with Celtic, those from the Gang of 10 who realise they are better-off participating in a league which is likely to survive until next May, along with the teams who last season finished near the top Scottish Football league.
SPL Solvent would make no threats to exclude SFL clubs who were due promotion on merit, and would therefore attract the balance of SFL clubs; which is likely to be the overwhelming majority. This league would contain the only club with the ability to underwrite the commitments needed to bring broadcasters and commercial partners on-board. It would also be free of, moral and ethical questions, where clubs are united with their fans on what it means to organise sporting events.
It’s not the worst idea floated in recent weeks.
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O.G.Rafferty
Yer a badjin.
But keep it up!
;-)
DBBIA – I think Declan has been ghost writing for him or should I say gosht writnig
R/L- even Declan has standrads
Right lads and ladies,
If any of you are famous or a personality apart from in your own house, get along to here and donate your old trainers
http://www.greatschoolrun.com/greattrainerdonation/Default.aspx?id=100
All for a good cause ‘Marys Meals’ – of whom Gerard Butler is also a fan btw DBBIA.
There has to be one of two of you worthy of the term personality…The obvious one being Mr P67 himself! Come on Paul you can be the first. who amongst us wouldnt want to walk in your shoes? :)
corrib04- the wee lassie from Lochgilphead raised money for Mary’s Meals through her school dinner blog, which as you know became an internet sensation.
Conflict of interest? I think perhaps this should be referred to an expert on this issue. How about it Mr Ogilvie? What do you think someone who has a potential conflict of interest should do?
What about you Duff and Phelps? What have you to say on this subject?
OG – I’m catching a flight at lunchtime and will be on my hols for the next 10 days with no CQN access. So….. if you whisper it quietly it goes no further.
Cheers.
When do BDO get the go ahead to legally and forensically investigate the real story that was Rangers?
Gordon_J
For all intents and purposes there is a vacancy now. Sure there is still a Rangers FC but with no stadium and very few players (if any) and in the process of being wound up, they are in no position to field a team.
Once the formality of the share not being transferred to Sevco is over with, there will be a vacancy in the league structure and any club wishing to take over that place, be it Spartans, Gretna 2008 or Sevco, needs to apply to the SFL and all applications should be considered on individual merits according to the same criteria that enabled ICT and Ross County to enter the league in 1994, Peterhead and Elgin City in 2000. Gretna to enter league in 2002 and Annan Athletic in 2008.
Mort
Gordon J
The panel can take directions on conflict of interest from one C Ogilvie , in which case I’m sure the sorts chap will be allowed to continue no problem :-))
Is it just me but when I begin to read Traynors articles I only get as far as the end of the first sentence and switch off, cannot read on. Reading his stuff is giving him some kind of credibility that the likes of him, Waddell and Burley do not deserve. Plus it is the ramblings of a man clinging to what’s left of the old establishment for his own personal gain.
Stopped buying that stuff long ago.
OG do you think this news might affect the deliberations of the various committees in the next few days?
Might it sway undecided voters?
So, nothing nuclear today.
Maybe tomorrow, subject to legal argument/ discission.
Does that mean I can get on with my work today?
Sh*t!
Wheb do we start back to trianing?
The Patrick McGuire @paddimir
“traynor threatening that clubs will go bust and their gates be locked. You mean they wouldn’t just go straight into div 1?” Brilliant por cierto
Mort – play it by the rules? Follow established procedures? It will never catch on.
PFayr – Old Campbell is good at ignoring conflicts of interest it seems
Mort on 2 July, 2012 at 10:12 said:
good point well made, no conflict of interest because there is no rangers, lets not ever forget that there is no rangers in glasgow
Bomber is tweeting that he will be releasing a statement in the next 24hrs…something else to look forward to.
OG
If jabba is implicated, I will need a sedative…… LOL
PFayr,
Yes, I caught your reply.
La Caleta is a lovely fishing type villiage.
We had a lovely couple of meals there a few years ago.
Great game last night and it must have been a wonderful experience watching amongst committed supporters .
Enjoy your holiday,
An envious (but in a nice way),
ttt.
Philbhoy …..think it’s today we start back training
roy croppie on 2 July, 2012 at 10:37 said:
If it follows (follows) along the lines of statements from previous “saviours” it will be along the lines of “We don’t do walking away I tell you but that bad man green won’t let us have the club so we won’t be making a bid”.
Mort
The only ‘conflicts of interest’ to R.C.O. are the war in Afghanistan and the uprising in Syria, for neither of which does this fine, upstanding chap have anything to declare …
From the BBC. Good to see big John back in football:
John Hartson has revealed he is to become part of Wales manager Chris Coleman’s backroom staff.
The former Wales striker announced the appointment in his Scottish Sun column.
Hartson wrote: “Chris simply asked me would you like to come and work for me? I immediately accepted, shook his hand and promised him I’d do anything possible to help make the Wales national team successful.”
Neil Lennon@OfficialNeil
1st day back….here we go again
Por Cierto on 2 July, 2012 at 10:32 said:
The Patrick McGuire @paddimir
“traynor threatening that clubs will go bust and their gates be locked. You mean they wouldn’t just go straight into div 1?” Brilliant por cierto
That article/orangeman rant is full of comedy gold he certainly lost the plot
“Forgive me, the reasons for the crisis that threatens to destroy Scottish football have been lost somewhere in the lust to tear and shred one club. It’s as though a century of hatred and probably jealousy have erupted”
Forgive me Jabba i thought that particular eruption of centuries of hatred was last seen at Manchester, it has also been at Barcelona, Villareal, Newcastle etc etc, a very long list of venues,
Mea Culpa, 10:29
It may be of interest to them
1st day back….here we go again
I was hoping that chant would fade away over the closed season.
DBBIA,
Yes indeed. A fantastic effort by Martha. She can be very proud.
Its fantastic how a good intention can snowball when the good public see a cause worth contributing to. We have seen a few of them on here raising unbelievable amounts of money for charitable causes.
What we can all do with a bit of self belief, a bit of luck and a fair wind is extraordinary.
@CelticFCTickets: For everyone asking, Norwich game is on the season ticket.(a)
When is EBT Walter gonnae accept Alex Thomson’s invite for a chat bhoys ?
I hope if she comes up for the game we ask Delia for ideas on beefing up the ole catering.
Delighted that Fraser Forster has put pen to paper and signed on permanently for Celtic.
Hope that all who slagged him last week for not signing when they thought he should are feeling particularly silly now.
Serves people right for believing what they read in the newspapers.
Mort
don’t know if this has been covered already, but Traynor seems to have had a remarkable change of heart over the weekend:
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Sending newco into Division One isn’t justice and isn’t sporting integrity
By jim Traynor on Jun 26
They (SPL Chairmen) know Rangers should be sent to the Third but can’t afford to lose them for too long and the irony is that even though Rangers probably want to go all the way to the bottom they won’t be allowed.
Like Mario Balotelli in front of England’s goal the fans themselves have missed a sitter, a gilt-edged chance to bring much-needed integrity to the game. But if they could just get rid of their bloodlust they could make amends.
It isn’t too late to let their clubs know they want Rangers newco in the Third Division.
They still have a week to get the new message across and make their leaders do the right thing, at least morally if not financially.
It’s simple really. The question isn’t, “Do you want a Rangers newco in the SPL?”, it should be, “Where do you want the new Ibrox club to play?”. We don’t want to get bogged down in the technicalities that are afflicting the Scottish independence vote. This is much more important.
There is still time to make the chairmen who run our game find sporting integrity in Hamdpen’s basement along with old strips and burst balls. So tell them. Demand proper justice.
End the sham and the shame.
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If SPL & SFL kick Gers out of football they will kill our game
By jim Traynor on Jul 2, 12 07:25 AM
Either they decide to let Rangers newco – who already know they don’t have the support of enough SPL clubs to get the share that would let them begin again at the top – kick off in the First Division or the way is cleared for them to start in the bottom tier.
But research has shown the game will lose £16million if Rangers are dumped in the Third Division and frankly that would be too great a loss to an already impoverished business.
Supporters, of course, are entitled to be heard but the question is this: Are fans – forget the ones who can’t see beyond their own hatred – willing to see what they believe to be justice done no matter the cost or consequences?
What if their justice means Scottish football would be reduced to a truly moribund state that would make recovery impossible?
What if their idea of fair play meant our game would be forever locked out of the big boys’ playground?
Morals and integrity are fine but we must all be sure we can cope with the fall out, which would be considerable.
Mark my words, clubs are already being squeezed by their banks who have seen Lloyds get out with all of their money back from Rangers. The other lenders also want shot of their football clients and they’ll be imposing tougher repayment plans on clubs, who will use these demands as excuses to make swingeing cuts on their budgets.
But even by making savage cuts, a number of clubs will still go bust. This will be the true price of sporting integrity.
And when the doors are being padlocked let’s have no wailing or tears because too many clubs saw Rangers’ insolvency as an opportunity to promote their own agendas.
Yet what good has that done any of them, apart from allowing them to invade the moral high ground for a short while. Now, though, as they hobble down having broken their toes through kicking Rangers they are suddenly confronted with reality.
Let’s take decisions tomorrow and the next day that will chime with whatever our notions of integrity are and kill the game.
After all, we can’t put a price on justice, especially in football where justice is something to be kicked around without finesse or direction.
Of course justice should be about fairness and handing down punishments that reflect the nature of crimes committed. It should always be about observing the law according to the rules and principles written down. But that’s the problem with applying justice in a morally bankrupt game.
The game is pulling itself apart because some want to settle old scores with Rangers while others strive only to make the most of the problems and strengthen their own positions.
Okay, but what’s the point in being powerful within a game that will soon have no real significance beyond its own boundaries?
But here are a few questions those ‘just’ men should ask themselves as they file into their meeting rooms on Hampden’s sixth floor over the next couple of days:
Is losing all credibility, standing in the game, SFA licence, SPL share and being treated with the utmost contempt not punishment enough?
No?
Then ask yourselves this:
Is going out of business, struggling to emerge as a newco without fan support and being banned from playing in Europe for three years and being branded pariahs not punishment enough?
If the answer is still no then there is no justice.
And there is no hope. The game, and not just Rangers, will be doomed.
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Wonder if Traynor received a call over the weekend………..
Mort on 2 July, 2012 at 10:57 said:
Im so glad your not one of those “i told you so” type’s!!!!
:)
Hail hail
hen1rik on 2 July, 2012 at 10:55 said:
When is EBT Walter gonnae accept Alex Thomson’s invite for a chat bhoys ?
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Never, he’s not that stupid!
Ahem. Mr Traynor. Let’s just think now.
RFC 2012 or whatever they may like to be called, do not yet exist as a club in Scotland. They are not a member of SFA, SPL or any other league.
Now, can we at least agree on that?
No. Well, there’s your problem. If I was to put together a bunch of players and apply to get into the SFL tomorrow, what do you think they’d say?
RFC 2012 (whatever) do not have any more right to automatic entry into any SFL division than my would be team.
READ THE RULES!
bhassbhoy on 2 July, 2012 at 10:59 said:
When Jabbas head does eventually stop spinning we can only hope for him his head faces the correct way matching his sash on his shoulders