When even Jim Farry blocked a royal postponement


25 years ago, Scotland were due to play a World Cup qualification game against Belarus on the day of Princess Diana’s funeral.  The SFA, then run by chief exec Jim Farry, the same man who was eventually removed from office for delaying Celtic’s registration of Jorge Cadete, decided the game should proceed as planned.

Whatever you think of Farry, he acted without concern for the royalist contingent.  Despite the SFA’s offices being vandalised and Scottish Secretary, Donald Dewer, applying political pressure, Farry dug in:   ”We have taken heed of the various viewpoints, but let’s be reasonable about this, life does and must go on.”

He did not act alone, the SFA International Committee were involved, and they included Celtic’s Jack McGinn, and the Greatest Football Administrator the world has ever known, Campbell Ogilvie!  This was a strange time in Britain, maybe the strangest few weeks of the last century.

Royalists were split between backers of the self-styled Queen of Hearts (honestly), and those in the minority, who sided with the actual Queen.  The Queen, a bit like Farry, held out as long as she could against the indulgent wallowing infecting millions, by resisting calls to lower flags to half-mast.

Before the end of the week, royal flags were lowered and the Scotland game was postponed.  Those of us who never took an interest in royalty were often heard saying “Let’s be reasonable about this”, but were largely ignored.

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  1. FRED COLON on 10TH SEPTEMBER 2022 12:42 PM


    I was just thinking about the Queen and wondered if she ever had to do any of the following ?



    1. Balanced the finances of a family of eight , on one wage packet and without the option of credit



    2. Peeled spuds for eight .



    3. Done an “old” shopping ie bus up the street ; visits to individual shops (eg butcher , baker , fruit shop etc) ; bus home carrying eight shopping bags .



    4. Looked in a bare kitchen cupboard Thursday teatime and thought , “I’m going to have to be creative here” .



    No , me neither .




    Sound questions and money won’t be a problem as the funeral circus,pomp and pageant paid for by us.



    Seen this,chronic poverty is no respecter of a class system.And those at the top wouldn’t know the basis of any of your question,privilege paid for by us







  2. lets all do the huddle on

    Police Scotland’s priority is always public safety and this decision was taken as a last resort after careful consideration of the potential impact of a planned counter-protest.





    could they not have just blocked the illegal counter protest instead?



    so huns threaten violence and the police bow to it



    if there were counter protests against the endless racist sectarian orange marches would they get stopped?



    ‘course not

  3. Saint Stivs on 10th September 2022 2:42 pm



    hahahaha scullybhoy,





    Now that is scary!



    HH big mhan.

  4. The things you learn on here.



    Pre Union Scotland was a great place to be a Catholic.



    Especially one from Ireland.



    Then the English came and spoilt everything.

  5. Does anyone know what the protest was about that the police stopped? Sorry if I missed it being discussed earlier.

  6. Oh well. Never mind. Carry on regardless.



    We are all safer now in this union



    It is not as if the head of state is putting his name to a document that’s hates Catholics.

  7. Telegraph reporting that league chiefs were concerned by the prospect of wide spread disobedience to any form of remembrance before kick offs and so decided to stop the games to spare national embarrassment.



    I can’t see this situation changing on the weekend before the funeral so no doubt we’ll be without football next weekend as well.

  8. In 2012, a Memorial Working Group was commissioned by the Glasgow City Council to reflect upon the building of a Memorial dedicated to the 100,000 Famine migrants who had come to Scotland’s industrial capital as well as victims from the Highland Potato Famine of the 1840s.2 This bears testimony to a major aspect of Scotland and Ireland’s shared destinies. The Highland Famine, although not as deadly or as devastating as its Irish counterpart, had a profound effect on Scottish society.



    3 Walker, Graham. ‘The Protestant Irish in Scotland’ in Devine, Thomas M. (ed.), Irish Immigrants an (…)



    2The Irish Famine was an ‘extraordinary’ (in the words of Thomas Chalmers, the Scottish Free Kirk minister) and global event – with more than a million emigrants leaving the shores of Ireland to settle in far-off lands. A great number of Famine migrants also crossed the short distance over the North Channel to the Scottish ports of Greenock and Glasgow – in what might be seen at first as a temporary migration – and ended up establishing themselves in Scotia. By 1851, the Irish population reached its peak at 207,367, representing 7.2% of Scotland’s inhabitants. In the manufacturing towns and burghs of Western Scotland, the proportion of Irish-born and their families amounted to up to a third of city dwellers. The Western Lowlands were thus transformed by the incoming sons and daughters of Erin, who brought with them their religious issues and their own associational networks.3



    3In the mid-1840s, Scotland had to deal with the consequences of its own potato Famine in the Highlands as well as with the influx of Irish and Highland migrants to the manufacturing districts of the Lowlands. How big an impact did the Irish Famine migrants have on Lowland society? What were the social, economic, religious and political consequences of the arrival of over 100,000 Irish in the course of half a decade? How did Scottish élites and working classes perceive Famine migrants? Examining the Irish Great Famine from a Scottish perspective helps researchers to form a picture of the type of migrants who came over to the Lowlands. It also enables historians to further examine connections in Irish and Scottish history during the late 1840s.



    4In seeking to explore these Scoto-Irish connections, this article will firstly undertake a brief comparison of the Highland and Irish Potato Famines in the mid-1840s. Secondly, the influence of Irish migrants on the renaissance of the Roman Catholic Church as well as manifestations of Irish Catholic identities will be explored. Thirdly, the ‘invisibility’ of Irish Protestant immigrants shall be assessed. And fourthly, native reactions to this influx of Irish migrants in the second half of the 1840s will be examined.




  9. Ernie, your words below, so Charlie tax avoidance is ok because of what the royal family have always done it.



    You posted the below own it.



    PEOPLE ARE NOT DYING BECAUSE OF DERMOT DESMOND. Nor going hungary nor dying waiting for ambulances.




    They are dying literally because of the extreme far right grifters the E.R.G (dozzy lizzys) puppet mastersusing the queens death to further make things worse.





    ERNIE LYNCH on 10TH SEPTEMBER 2022 9:37 AM


    BURNLEY78 on 10TH SEPTEMBER 2022 9:17 AM







    “I just find it odd that people are getting exercised about the tax affairs of the royal family (which is hardly news) seem so unconcerned about the tax affairs of someone who has more direct bearing on our lives as Celtic fans.”



    “Your words Ernie no one else’s



    I said the other day i would debate with you if you kept it real. Clearly you are not capable of rational debate.



    If you are going to persist in your infantile it’s a cult, could you please explain to others why the Scottish sea border with England starts at Arbroath.


    Could you also explain who gave the mass murdering war criminal the right to redraw the sea border?

  10. Man Utd have confirmed their Europa league match midweek is going ahead. We’ll be playing in Poland on Wednesday.

  11. My wife is currently watching CNN, and Max Foster has just said that one of the challenges facing Charles is to address the link between the wealth of the Royal family and the slave trade with the inherent racism involved.

  12. SAINT STIVS on 10TH SEPTEMBER 2022 2:54 PM


    Oh well. Never mind. Carry on regardless.







    We are all safer now in this union







    It is not as if the head of state is putting his name to a document that’s hates Catholics.







    Don’t sense a lot of hate from the CofE towards Catholics. (Or indeed from Charlie, whose bestie was a Catholic).



    In fact I don’t think anti Catholic bigotry is a feature of life in England.



    Scotland, of course, is a different matter.



    But the English are to blame for that. Not quite sure how, but the detail isn’t important.



    The thing is Scotland good, England bad.

  13. Sorry for the non football related post. Now back to Celtic!






    An Dún on 10th September 2022 2:57 pm



    Man Utd have confirmed their Europa league match midweek is going ahead. We’ll be playing in Poland on Wednesday.





    Good news indeed.

  14. https://wikifoundryimages.s3.amazonaws.com/a3dd7c7f03dcb69f69addec957fa4161



    #Oh, over and over, we will follow you,


    Over and over, we will see you through,


    We are Celtic supporters, faithful through and through,


    And over and over, we will follow you.



    #If you go to Germany, you will see us there,


    France or Spain its all the same, We’ll go anywhere,


    We’ll be there to cheer you, As you travel round,


    You can take us anywhere, we won’t let you down.






    #If you go to Lisbon, we’ll go once again,


    In Zaire you’ll find us there calling out your name,


    When you need supporting, you will always know,


    We’ll be right there with you, every where you go.







  15. I’m beginning to understand what paul67 has been saying for 5 years – newco will spiral into medocrity due to a lack of financial underpinning. After two very successful european seasons, they sold the very players which got them there. They got no one in to try to survive the CL group stage this season and they will not cope with it. Ajax are not CL elite. Newco are looking at squad renewal already having recently used old stalwarts – mcgregor for example, was a good keeper – mclaughlin has his best years behind him and doesn’t look so good. Slow decline for all to see and a hammering in the CL. Bring it on.

  16. No surprise to see Leipzig under new management 2-0 up against Dortmund.



    Our draw was great re the groups. The timing of the fixtures was rotten.



    We are really going to have to play some to stay in Europe post Xmas.



    Wednesday is critical. Minimum 1 point needed. Maybe even minimum 4.

  17. When was Catholicism outlawed in England?


    1.1 Reformation to 1790



    The Catholic Mass became illegal in England in 1559, under Queen Elizabeth I’s Act of Uniformity. Thereafter Catholic observance became a furtive and dangerous affair, with heavy penalties levied on those, known as recusants, who refused to attend Anglican church services.



    Why does Lewes burn the Pope? As well as the traditional guy, a model of Pope Paul V – pope at the time of the Gunpowder Plot – is burned every year. The custom seems to have started as an act of remembrance for the town’s 17 Protestant martyrs who were burned at the stake during the 16th Century.



    Catholics and ‘Zulus’ in short supply as Lewes does Bonfire …https://www.theguardian.com › lifeandstyle › nov › lew…


    4 Nov 2017 — The ancient anti-Catholic roots of the town’s Bonfire night festivities had acquired extra poke, coming so soon after Protestants around the …



    Priti Patel’s Ireland food shortage comments condemned by …https://inews.co.uk › news › politics › priti-patel-ireland…


    26 Jul 2019 — Ireland’s Taoiseach Leo Varadkar has challenged remarks made by new Home Secretary Priti Patel threatening food shortages in Ireland if it does …



    A SICK video of John McGinn being subjected to ‘anti-Irish and anti-Catholic racism’ has been blasted by Show Racism the Red Card.



    The former Hibs star was in action for Aston Villa against Chelsea at Stamford Bridge in the English Premier League on Saturday evening.




    Liverpool’s Irish community under attackhttps://irr.org.uk › Articles


    14 Feb 2013 — A new report by an Irish community group based in Liverpool is a call for help against growing far-right and Loyalist attacks.



    11 Jun 2013 — The head of the EDL said his group would only target Irish in Britain if they use ‘IRA slogans’ or sing rebel songs.



    Nothing to see here in England no anti Irish racism no anti catholicism move along now



    Only anti-Scots hatred

  18. !!BADA BING!!



    Thanks, Bada.



    I was being facetious, of course.



    But, surely Sky have a respectful black border round the screen



    What with our football being cancelled out of respect



    Just shows what a fuckin joke the whole thing.



    We can’t go to football so watch German football in stead.

  19. Vale bhoy



    Even the staunch ‘no football for ten days’ advocates on follow follow are watching the football on sky. Joke indeed.




    You have probably seen this tribute to Jock.



    Jim Craig, Archie Archie gie us a wave and Alan Rough.



    I have a lot of time for Alan Rough after hearing him share the encounter he had with Tommy Burns unexpectedly on holiday.


    Him recounting the story brought tears to my eyes.



    Anyway i enjoyed the below




  21. LR67 @ Barrel scraping central



    Any chance you could update us on the situation in Scouseland — any change over the past 9 years?

  22. DrB @ 2.56



    Tiny Trots and now Right wing mentalist fan boys — all this CP luv / I ask you …


    CQN really is a mixed bag.



    No matter — the same Forger’s gazette tripe / Nat dross time after time.




    I tried to find the story Alan Rough told about Tommy.





    I couldn’t, I did find the below couldn’t get to the end though. Tommy twists Tommy turns Tommy Burns. Is a hero of mine and not just because of his football, trying to watch the below brought tears to my eyes



    Look at the expression quite early on Tommy’s face as he looks at Jock’s portrait



    That’s enough melancholy from me.




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