I was at primary school during the 1979 devolution referendum. It’s fair to say many in the Celtic community were suspicious of the SNP due to the hostile attitudes some of the party leadership had to the Irish diaspora in their midst.
Fresh blood brought change to the SNP in the 1980s, there were even overtures to Irish nationalism. Alex Salmond cemented these changes, broadened the appeal of the party towards new and multi-generation immigrants, and asserted the SNP’s multi-faith credentials. He also became close friends with disgraced Cardinal O’Brien (which is no reflection on Mr Salmond).
At the height of his political powers Salmond appears to have overreached. Something would be done about men shouting at football games. From now on only certain flavours of nationalism would be favoured, acceptable, perhaps even legal. MSP Christine Graham let the Scottish Parliament know, the problem was that Celtic fans were not acting illegally, so the law had to change.
The Axe the Act candidate in today’s Glasgow City Council, Govan, by-election, Thomas Rannachan has brought the consequences of Salmond’s largess to his door. The SNP are defending the seat but one year out from the battle Salmond really needs to win, his shoddy attack on football fans is set to undermine him. As an independent Rannachan may not win, but he has put the First Minister on the back foot.
George Ryan’s funeral will take place at St Andrew’s Cathedral, Glasgow, at 10:00 on Monday. All are welcome.
Sean’s book’s here, fill your boots:
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By the way, news has come through tonight that after at least a couple of years of legal action, the UCI ( cycling body ) has dropped its legal case against Paul Kimmage the former cyclist and journalist who had repeatedly berated the UCI and its former President Pat McQuaid.
The UCI had taken action against Kimmage as a result of his repeated attacks on the sports body in relation to their stance on doping and their actions concerning Lance Armstrong.
The decision to abandon the action comes shortly after McQuaid was voted out of office in a recent election.
BRTH
The detention period is now 12 hrs
Another SNP bobby dazzler
Rule Britannia!
Oops. Wrong forum.
eddiekirkmichael
Why do hiv tae get Personal,pal?
Ah Purposely, make sure that Ah never get Personal…Unless, of course ,Ah am
responding tae a Personal Attacker ,such as You..
There is Never a good sound reason tae Use Personal take downs when entering into an Argument..
It is Childish. .and Ah’m getting fair fed up in using that Term.. in castigation. directed at someone whit whom Ah am in Correspondence..
If you do not agree with My Opinion..
then.. that it is Certainly O,K. For you to say so..
and As Strongly as You Possibly can,
But,,
You should also state Your End of the Argument .. and incate where ye find Ma Views tae be so disagreeable tae ye..
It is.. Childish( Therel again Ah hiv bin f orced tae use that Term, in castigation)
for a Person tae Behave… when responding tae anither’s Opinion.
To come oan Here and
Simply, Let Fly ,with an Insult Peppered Commentary aimed at the Person With whose Opinion you are in Disagreement.
So let’s Start over..
Now what is Your Counter Argument against My Opinion. concerning the Eventual Political Aims of the S.N.P.???
Kojo
Still, Laughin’
Neustadt-Braw
How do you work that out ?
HH
ernie lynch
23:05 on
10 October, 2013
I had a chat with some MSP’s about post ref and the status of SNP should indie be achieved. Now some are surprised that those who supported them pre indie would seek other political affilications after because the target has been achieved i.e. independance.
The original 79 group did not just disappear….
Neustadt-Braw
Aye, it was quite bizarre, the gift that has everything, even a porn baron.
HH
….PFayr supports WeeOscar
23:11 on
10 October, 2013
‘BRTH
The detention period is now 12 hrs
Another SNP bobby dazzler’
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There’s a theme of intolerance, authoritarianism and centralisation running through the actions of the SNP government.
67Heaven … I am Neil Lennon, supporting WEE OSCAR..!!.. Ibrox belongs to the creditors
18:44 on
10 October, 2013
mea culpa
15:26 on 10 October, 2013
The SFA cannot allow king into this new club, since he was a Director of a Club / business which went bust in the past 5 years……RULES ARE RULES……oh, no, wait, this is Scotland..
It is indeed,although its not Scotland that could be turning a blind eye to this.It will be the SFA. where we will have a very strong representation in Peter Lawell.If this is OKd,I would expect the resignation of our CEO from this obviously corrupt body.Wont you?.
Celtic Roller Coaster – yes we have a few boxes left over. If you send an email to celticquicknews@gmail.com we can sort.
Vp – will add!
BRTH
She did challenge, she got the ban lifted eventually. However, Focus (of which Mr Lawwell is a committee member) provided the evidence to Celtic who acted on it by banning her. I remember at the time, the talk being that supporters would be charged on return from foreign parts if they breached the act. I don’t think that has happened so what you say makes sense. However the above example shows 2 things.
Focus are travelling with supporters at taxpayers expense with a very flimsy remit if they can’t charge people who contravene the Act abroad.
They are using the jaunts to target specific people and harassing them without proper/any evidence.
CQN waves the Union Jack. Oh the irony…
THE EXILED TIM
23:12 on
10 October, 2013
Neustadt-Braw
How do you work that out ?
HH
…………….
cos yer a happy /kucky bhoy …………braw!
lucky …
ernie lynch
23:01 on
10 October, 2013
greendreamz
22:57 on
10 October, 2013
‘Salmond/SNP will cease to exist after independence.’
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Oops……..should have said their raison d’etre :)
Once the objective has been achieved they will splinter…….they are not monolithic.
Parkheadcumsalford
23:01 on 10 October, 2013
Kilbowie Kelt,
Why?
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For the same reason that I support the rights of the Irish people to self-determination.
I refuse to believe that there is not the talent in this country, which has given so much to the progress of humanity, to forge a better future on its own.
The clincher for me personally is that it would seem to be the only possible way that we could stop being a nuclear arsenal for our warring neighbours.
We don’t need these obscenities.
We don’t have one single enemy on the planet which would merit us stockpiling such weapons of mass destruction.
THE EXILED TIM
23:09 on
10 October, 2013
Sorry picked you up wrong there.
I tend to agree but I do believe a Scottish Labour party would swing more to the left.
To be honest, I was forgetting that you’re one of the more logical thinkers on here, but too many seem to think that a Yes victory is a vote for the SNP in perpetuity, and that’s just nonsense.
I don’t think Yes will win, but the closer it is the more likely we are to get Devo Max (or whatever they’re calling it now), and while I fear that that may lead to SNP forever I want as much power away from Westminster are possible.
I have a great fear that until we’re as far removed as possible we may end up with the private healthcare system England and Wales are getting.
Time for the pit.
#Fearless Wee Oscar is on a Celticrollercoaster
23:10 on
10 October, 2013
OK may join you bhoys although I’ll be coke-food-coke
PS hope being 51 brings down the age count ………..
BRTH
The judiciary are refusing to convict
The only sanctions are imposed by the polis who are imposing outrageous conditions when granting police bail
The Crown Office are complicit in this Lord Adv and Sol Gen are now career prosecutors beholden to the Scottish Govt …. A very unwelcome development
The police vowed to smash the Green Brigade, and they are systematicly doing just that.
They don’t give a funkys muck if they get a conviction or not, their weapon is the banning order.
All the supporters arrested cannot attend football games any more.
That is better than any conviction in their eyes, the GB will be no more soon enough, and they have won.
Open your feckin eyes, and stop skirting aroud the rights and wrongs of the bill.
Let the people sing.
HH
John O Neil 23.07,
Heard Micheal Mansfield one Friday, by a mile the best episode Ive heard
Such a good man, and witty with it.
lilys
It’s ages until we play again and the independence debate is in full swing once more
things could get Manuel Pellegrini on here
Ah stand by what Ah hiv Proclaimed..
an tha is..
“A Vote FOR Independence is a Vote for Wan Party Rule..and the Only Party in Dodge who has Proposed this Cockamamie Vote..
Is..
The S.N.P!
Doh!!!
Kojo
Still,Laughin’
Any Catholic who votes SNP has a screw loose.
Quavers
Stupid name for a potato snack
I vowed never to eat a packet of Quavers since……since the last packet I consumed.
I came in from the pub and looked in the “potato snack” cupboard and lo’ and behold…..there was a packet of Quavers….askin tae be scoffed….
So I ate them….along with a couple of pickled onions, a pork pie , toast & cheese and a Bounty
Wonder what’s for breakfast?
eddieinkirkmichael
Thanks for that! For obvious reasons I want Thomas to do well, but know that he is up against two major Parties in a City election, lower turnout and all. When I say do well, I mean make some kind of an impact on the election. As stated before if he helps reduce the share of the SNP vote, from 2012, he will have went some way to achieving his objective.
At 58 years of age I am no protest groupie and in fact have only taken part in three demonstrations and marches.
The first was the big one in Glasgow just before the Iraq war (100,000) the second another in Edinburgh when the Iraq war was ongoing and the third was at George Square this year following the “Kettling” of Celtic fans by Glasgow’s finest.
The Bill that became the Act was one of the most Draconian and unnecessary pieces of legislation ever. A law that was demanded by the head of the police in Glasgow, who just happened to be looking for a new and better top job (Met or Police Scotland) and wanted to strike a pose as being the man who smashed the Green Brigade Ultras.
The only thing wrong with this scenario was that there was no problem with violent ultras at Celtic Park and the newly constituted FoCUS police have been left to their own devices in portraying one where none exists. Thus you have dawn raids, not to arrest dangerous terrorists or violent gangsters but to huckle 14-year olds who may have said OOH AHH UP THE RA.
George Orwell on speed couldn’t have dreamed this up!
Then we have a Scottish National Party, Justice Secretary, Kenny MacAskill saying that he will root out those who sing of Irish Nationalism or, and this takes some believing, saying that “England you’re a monster”.
I have watched the police at Celtic Park and their treatment of all fans, not just the Section 111 boys and girls and it is atrocious. But the bigots in blue (and there are many) have taken their cue from the politicians and from an acquiescent Celtic board.
Time it was challenged and changed and hopefully Govan is just the start.
The Exiled Tim
This is a Genuine Question.futr Ah do not know the Answer.
And the question is
Who ..Proposed and The Bill…and is it the Law of the Land???
Kojo
Still, Laughin
Lilys, do you mean the lawyer? I will seek it out. Listen to Burchill. She is far more captivating than the usual NME bores. Bonkers as well. Racists may hate her for her love of Israel though.
John O’Neil
23:15 on
10 October, 2013
‘CQN waves the Union Jack. Oh the irony…’
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No one is waving a Union Jack or anything of the sort.
Traditionally (and I’m talking about since the club was founded, not the last couple of years) the Celtic support have supported Irish Independence and voted Labour.
There is no contradiction in that position.
It has been explained on here a hundred times over.
It’s the nats who are arrivistes among the support.
Their inability to comprehend the view of the majority of the support is testament to that.
Big Nan
You wur daein Fine..
Until, ye Brought the Celtic Board Into this..
The Celtic Board, Must COMPLY with the Letter of the Law..
that is how it works.
The Celtic Board Has Not the Slightest Influence in how this Law is being carried Out.
Kojo
Stil,Laughin
listen out for “Trigger” ……sing a long Ernie ….http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMllBGqbNGU
greendreamz
23:16 on
10 October, 2013
So any assurances Salmond or the SNP give us about what will happen in a separate Scotland are meaningless then?
Kojo
It is the law of the land.
As for who proposed it, I think it was a combination of the snp, the police and other interested parties, in all honesty, I really don’t know.
HH
Just dropped back in,
Ffs has this now become a political blog. I come on here and expect to read comments about CFC. Reading back, i see a Party Political Broadcast for just about every party on the planet. Why don’t people with their indy or other views go on to a political blog and spout their opinions. As for residents outside Scotland, I see you are having your views spoken, but also saying you have no say in the result, shut up. If you chose to leave this sacred land, you do not deserve an opinion.
Paul67
Many real Celtic supporters may well be disturbed by some of the comments on the blog tonight. All of course IMHO.
Weefra HH supporting Wee Oscar. And Night Night Timland.
weeminger
I agree with that.
Time will tell mi amigo, a lot of dirty water to go under the bridge in the next year.
HH
John O Neil
Yes same Micheal Mansfield. I heard the episode you mentioned, and understand what you mean;) Personally I loved her choices, esp Hatikva!!!
lilys
Ernie, Can’t say the debate bothers me much but it remains hilarious that Irish Republicans can also be British unionists. Don’t be shy about the British flag. Fly it with pride as you are a committed Brit. UKIP and various loony Ulster unionists are also proud of the union.