It doesn’t really matter to me how other people write their own history. If Queens Park claim to be the same Club as the Queen of Clubs, they are welcome to, as long as they respectfully allow me to express scepticism. Fortunately, Queens Park’s business model is not dependent on making such an outlandish claim.
A whole lot of nonsense has been written on the subject of a recently liquidated football club, “it was the holding company that was liquidated”, when it wasn’t actually a holding company, and then we have claims about advice from a “panel of the London Stock Exchange”, which was quickly withdrawn.
We are asked to believe that a football club cannot go out of business. It’s an interesting thought, not one I subscribe to, but interesting nonetheless. If you are happy with this belief, fair play to you, it doesn’t matter what anyone else believes.
I’ve met Jim Spence. He’s a guy who emerged from the Dundee Untied fanzine world and established a reputable career in the game. His affinity for United has never been hidden, nor should it be. United, as all clubs, have gone through periods of turmoil but Jim has called things as he has seen them, with his own club, and with others.
This week Jim made a comment about a football club which went into liquidation. It was more tempered than comments made by a former manager and director of the liquidated club, by the chief executive of its successor club, by all the contemporary newspaper coverage, and by the successor club’s current head of PR. Despite this, Jim has been on the receiving end of a sustained campaign by the thought police.
Jim may privately think what those at the successor club once said, but if he also wants to express those thoughts, the consequences can be acute.
He’s not alone. I know others in the media who have told me straight that they are not prepared to touch the Newco/Sameco subject, the resultant hassle is not what they got into journalism for.
Charlotte Fakes has given us a glimpse into how powerful people can manipulate and control Scotland. It has given reason to pause ahead of next year’s big decisions. The BBC and only the BBC are strong enough to stand up against bullying, you can forget the commercial media for one simple reason, this subject is the equivalent of commercial self-harm.
It wouldn’t seem like the weekend without Rangers International writing about going legal on someone or other, although I suspect they’ll be content having played to the gallery with this one and not trouble the BBC, but questions remain for the BBC, no matter what happens next.
I consume enormous volumes of BBC output every month, it is my first port of call for news, and often my last. It is one of the best aspects of British life, but if it can be intimidated like the commercial media, there is no point in it existing in the first place.
Fortify your journalists or shut the doors.
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Paul67
2012 Accounts = Third Monday in Sept.
2011 Accounts = Third Monday in Aug.
2010 Accounts = Third Monday in Aug.
Consequently next Monday it is then.
Any thoughts on the change in timing?
macjay1 for Neil Lennon
11:40 on 9 September, 2013
If a refugee is a refugee he/she should be treated as a refugee.
The question of economic migrants ( being 99% of the population) shouldn’t have anything to do with it.
Jim Spence
……….laughs in the face of Vegemite….
ERNIE LYNCH
They are subject to International Law same as any other country.
If they abide by those strictures,then yes.
The new fella was voted in on the back of policies which many on here find disturbing.
Few of this blog had a say in that. It has nothing to do with us.
When Australia is cited at The UN for its policies towards illegal immigrants,I may reconsider my opinions.
Until then,they are within their rights to pursue the policies which their population clearly desire.
Good to see irony making a comeback this morning.
Irony is going to be massive this Autumn.
Meanwhile, Didier Agathe appears to be enjoying life these days … he’s certainly lost five yards of pace.
MadMitch
11:31 on
9 September, 2013
MacJ @ 11.05
If you can’t or wont answer the question then stay out of the debate.
Delusions of grandeur.
Just like your namesake.
macjay1 for Neil Lennon
11:40 on 9 September, 2013
‘You are aware of the crimes committed in this country by these “refugees”,I take it.’
###
That’s economic migrants for you.
Plus ca change plus c’est la même chose.
“Wheresoever knives and razors are used, wheresoever sneak thefts and petty pilfering are easy and safe, wheresoever dirty acts of sexual baseness are committed, there you will find the Irishman in Scotland with all but a monopoly.”
Macjay1….
As The Awesome Awe_Naw Hinted Yesterday……
You Can Put Lipstick On Oor Ernie….
But He’s Still A Marxist Pig…
Nice Ankles….Though ! ;-)
macjay1 for Neil Lennon 11:44 on 9 September, 2013
TheOriginalSadiesBhoy 11:32 on 9 September, 2013
Do people not generally move to other countries for a better life?
BOBBY MURDOCH’S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS forza Oscar and Mackenzie
11:48 on 9 September, 2013
‘nothing to do with us.’
Done a wee round up on how others view us after yesterdays game.
Warning: Some of the language on these sites not suitable for children.
Let’s start with the Hibee’s.
http://www.hibs.net/showthread.php?270854-Petrov-game-bt-sports
Generally decent comments and one eejit!
Aberdeen blog didn’t have any metnion but did have one crazy thread on Paul McStay v Jim Bett where everyone agreed that Bett was by far the better player. Not even posting the link. Crazy people!
Dundee United/Dundee/etc
http://eastfootball.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=42525
Not much to be honest.
Hearts!
http://www.hmfckickback.co.uk/index.php?/topic/132613-petrov-charity-game/
Their hatred of us is frightening.
Nothing mentioned on the Partick, St Mirren or Motherwell sites. Unable to access the Killie one without log in.
No mention on the higland clubs forums either.
The general comments are quite fair but the comments from some Hearts fans is a disgrace about Celtic and Stan. Expect fireworks on Saturday when we put 5 past them.
LB
Refugees / Economic migrants / Poor country middle class chancers — It is a game, an issue all the world over.
However only our Thick Colonial cousins in AusLand make it the main game changer come election time.
My thoughts on this is that Aus Land is the most casually sexist / casually racist country in the developed world.
All the rhetoric about queue jumpers is just raw meat for the gallery.
A gallery that has been brainwashed by a lifetime of “Lucky Country” nonsense to fully develop or understand the class driven structures within its society.
Thank Heavens slavery never took a hold.
The Aussie MLK would not even been born yet.
Professor Green
Game on Celtic T V on ur computer maybe!!
ernie lynch
11:46 on
9 September, 2013
macjay1 for Neil Lennon
11:40 on 9 September, 2013
If a refugee is a refugee he/she should be treated as a refugee.
Well done,Ernie.
Is the penny dropping?
The nub of the problem.
The poor sods rot in refugee camps in Indonesia while the rich economic migrants fly in From Iran,Afghanistan and Sri Lanka and pay the fee for service.
Some drown,but to the people smugglers ,that`s just the cost of doing their criminal business.
Macjay1 for neil lennon
‘Do you think that Australia is entitled to decide who comes to this country as a refugee?’
Assuming that “this country” you refer to is Australia, the answer to your question is no. The refugee decides which country he/ she comes to. Australia then decides whether or not to accept them.
Perhaps if you had said ‘Do you think that Australia is entitled to decide who comes INTO this country as a refugee?’
On the wider point as the book says, “truely I tell you, whatever you did not do for the least of these you did not do for me.” What was it Gandhi said about the difference between Christ and Christians?
Just in to say…
Nah – never mind.
Off oot.
MacJ @ 11.49
Are you going to answer the question?
Do you grass up visa overstayers?
Specifically the ones in the pub when you are watching the clubs games?
Do you walk about with a placard telling them to go home?
Would you do it in Glasgow?
Horses are hung like Jim Spence………….
Steinreignedsupreme
11:52 on
9 September, 2013
macjay1 for Neil Lennon 11:44 on 9 September, 2013
TheOriginalSadiesBhoy 11:32 on 9 September, 2013
Do people not generally move to other countries for a better life?
By all means.
Just don`t cheat by claiming to be a refugee and taking the place of genuine refugees.
Australia`s quota is reduced by the number of those who arrive illegally by boat.
How do those real aboriginal Australians feel about these penniless masses descending on their country ?
Surely they will have the defining say in these matters.
.
Ernie..MacJay..
‘Economic Migrants’ is a Relatively new Term used by both Parties to Justify current policies on Asylum seekers..
‘People Smugglers’ less so to make it look more like organised Crime..
Thing is..They are All in the same Boat..
Summa
Summa
MacJay
Hope you didn’t think I was entering the Oz debate and making a point against you. I was complimenting Moravcik Magic’s point. You have been putting up a stout defence of your stance over two days. I comment your indefatigability ( said in a George Galloway accent).
I am now taking a large step backwards and out of the Australia debate.
Livibhoy- not surprised at the lack of coverage- no mention of it on the tv at all today- despite it drawing the biggest crowd of an international football weekend in the UK- probably
From a war cabinet to covert ops and now “working groups”:
“All part of our problem.
The mhanks don’t not listen, watch, read or ignore.
Just the opposite.
Then they moan, groan, grumble and complain.
This, I believe, is one of the reasons why they don’t get the bad PR and bad press I general, that we get.
The solution is two fold.
As unpalatable as it is, we need to stoop to this level.
We also need the club officialdom to match their septic counterparts’ energy and desire and help us out here.
Recent stuff like that from English and Spence would not be accepted by the mhanks.
Can you just imagine a journalist admit he prefers Rangers to them?”
——
“Don’t watch, Don’t listen, Don’t read, Switch Off, Stopped Reading At, Best Ignored
We need to set up our own working groups. Exact same as them.
And those working groups have to defend the club to the hilt. Exact same as them.
And the working groups have to actively try in every way possible to harm, damage or destroy our rivals name and image. Exact same as them.
Only then can we even begin to think about fighting back.
We have to somehow find the same hatred as them .”
——
“I disagree completely with that last sentence.
The day my club becomes as bitter and twisted with paranoia and hatred as them, then I am out.”
——
“Each of their “working groups” has its own vipers’ nest of contacts being told what to complain about and who to e-mail or write to.
This I know to be factual, I’ve seen the texts”
——
“without a shadow of a doubt, it’s long overdue that we changed our tactics, and took the fight directly to the doorsteps of thine enemy.
direct action is the way forward”
Watched the game late last night on Celtic T V. Made me oh so proud to be a Celtic fan!!! Stan was choking every time you saw him. Not a fan of John Terry but the booing was more pantomime than viscous imo. Oh yes it was!! ps And he nearly scored from 50 yards too.
I’ve no problem with refugees seeking refuge, it is every country responsibility to provide refuge. However refuge should be sought in the nearest country possible, not by travelling through several countries to get the most desirable.
UN Regulations State That Refugees Should Claim Asylum In The FIRST Safe Country They Reach…..
The ‘Refugees’ Reaching Australia By Boat Have Typically Transitted Several Safe Economically Booming Vibrant Nations…
Often More In Tune With Their Own Pre-Existing Cultural Values….
Where They Should Have Sought Asylum…..
Am I Right…..Or Am I Right ?
~~~~~~
Owen Coyle….!?
Mebbies Aye / Mebbies Naw !
Ah Suppose It Will All Hinge On Whatever Attitude Oor Resident School Janitor Takes…
(ThumbsUp)
Stairheedrammy says cmon Oscar
Always interests me what others think of Celtic especially the circumstances yesterday.
LB
Bankybhoy
Reilly has the life of Jim Spence.
Summa
Been thinking of Tom McL all day….Cheers for the update.
HH
macjay1 for Neil Lennon 12:00 on 9 September, 2013
“By all means.
“Just don`t cheat by claiming to be a refugee and taking the place of genuine refugees.”
Unfortunately ‘cheating’ goes on in every walk of life – whether it is refugees or the people running the country.
ERNIE
Nothing to do with us,as long as they act in accordance with International Law.
As I said,their policies may not be mine,but I don’t live there,I don’t vote there,and they are well within their rights to do as they are.
thebhoywithmcgraininhisside
11:57 on
9 September, 2013
Macjay1 for neil lennon
‘Do you think that Australia is entitled to decide who comes to this country as a refugee?’
Assuming that “this country” you refer to is Australia, the answer to your question is no. The refugee decides which country he/ she comes to. Australia then decides whether or not to accept them.
Perhaps if you had said ‘Do you think that Australia is entitled to decide who comes INTO this country as a refugee?’
Thanks for pointing that out.A fine distinction,but my meaning was surely obvious.
Australia has the right to decide who comes INTO this country.
You`ll have to enlighten me about Ghandi.
Re Australia, after WWII they were terrified of an Asian influx of immigrants diluting their white paradise. Some Aussie veterans returning with war brides had schooled them in English so they’d get through the language test…only to discover that the authorities decided to test their knowledge of Gaelic!! Pretty sick, really.
greenjedi 12:03 on 9 September, 2013
“I’ve no problem with refugees seeking refuge, it is every country responsibility to provide refuge. However refuge should be sought in the nearest country possible, not by travelling through several countries to get the most desirable.”
How do you define ‘most desirable’?
Steinreignedsupreme
12:11 on
9 September, 2013
Agreed.
But cheats rob the disadvantaged and should be brought to account.
Summi. Thanks for update
Are we in oz quick news here :)
Been here 7 years maybe had a social conversation with an oz male in total 30 mins in 7 years. Tend to stick to the scots and Irish here
Don’t seem to have anything in common with Ozzie males
Had more German friends when I lived in Dresden
Ozzie males couldn’t spell manners or know what deorderant is
No surprise they voted that lowlife abbot it.
What are all these posts about Austria?
SixtaeWhoWasAweNawedEariler CSC