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I guess banners with scripts about voting opportunities is not very difficult to identify as….er….political.
D’oh!
Margaret Mcgill,
I have no problem with the Green Brigade Making a point as you call it, but not inside a football ground were they know the club will be reprimanded as has happened. We go to the game and support the team and that should be the only agenda on match days.
As for your last comment you are suggesting that some Celtic fans are old farts. Well i suggest you go and do your rebel bit elsewhere. That comment was an insult to all Celtic fans who in my opinion are all free thinkers
justafan
I haven’t noticed anyone insulting other posters, apart from the board lovers.
Maybe you can point them out for me.
HH
Good evening all
After a horrendous day of weather, I arrived at the ground with the back of my trousers absolutely wringing. Had to sit on these for the entire game. Football?? would not have let farm animals out in that weather. Howevah, supporting Celtic is in the life you want to be, if you are not happy, like every other choice you have in life, go elsewhere. I actually enjoyed the game today, and, Izzie was defo fouled. Stonewaller, IMHO. The GB, they’ve just been moved back to their original position. Oh yes, they were there today without the banners. Me, like the majority of Celtic Supporters, wiil be renewing my SB. Why???? Because I am a Celtic Supporter. I do not give a toss what any political issues some fans have, that, to me, is their problem. If they want to support Celtic, and only Celtic, they are welcome. If they have other political agendas, sorry, the majority of Celtic fans don’t want or need you. BTW, that new bus park is a joke for the majority of supporters. Paul67, maybe worth taking up with your contacts. Rant over.
Weefra HH supporting Wee Oscar.
I’m a bit concerned that so many are seemingly prepared to protest by boycotting, although I completely understand. The board have created the current situation, in my view, because they were/are in an extremely difficult position and chose the path of least resistance. They don’t have the bottle to deal with the smm and deal with the issue appropriately. I believe there’s a desire to be seen to be dealing with a problem that is really much smaller in scale than is being portrayed online and in broadcast media. The GB haven’t helped by providing gleeful hacks and commentators with ammunition, but they could have been managed far better than they have.
However, despite my misgivings, recent events have acted as an ironic reminder that Celtic is more than a football club. Much as I wish it wasn’t necessary, for me Celtic serves a distinct purpose in its institutional and secular role representing a social group that requires defending in a society that retains hostile elements at various levels.
I worry at the prospect of a CFC that lacks support from that community because there’s a mutual dependence issue at stake. The scale of the negative media attention given to recent analysis of Celtic is an indication of the hostility that still exists. I’ll go back and support the team for that reason.
Although I have to say I just love watching Celtic. I should maybe have said that first…
the exiled Tim…
You really believe that I’m sure.
Timbhoy2
Because my nephew plays for DU, I watch a lot of U20s fitba. Celtic youth are far superior to DU youth. Jackie Mac plays the boys and Lenny disnae!
Hi Ernie-thanks for reply – I think agreement by the club and the GB would have been reached regarding what is political – surely it is self explanatory.
I think for UEFA it was a curious decision to allow mandela tributes, as it does open a can of worms- I mean, what is to stop Serbian warlords, Russian mafia, EDL, UVF, right wing death squad banners being displayed?
I believe UEFA regard Mandela (rightly) as a unifying figure. They regard (rightly) Sands as a
divisive figure.
I think the board won’t get anywhere with UEFA as usual. They probably have asked for clarification- God knows what they were told.
It all comes down to this – the GB lied to the board and abused their trust. What do they expect.
Now Ernie, answer my initial question – what if a compromise was reached with the GB, and they did it again, leading to another fine and (if again) possible closure of ground (and eventually expulsion from competition). What would your position be regarding the GB?
justafan
21:24 on 14 December, 2013
‘I guess banners with scripts about voting opportunities is not very difficult to identify as….er….political.
D’oh!’
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‘about voting opportunities’ what does that mean?
The irony in all of this is that the whole point of the banner was that these judgements are subjective and depend entirely on your vantage point.
Margaret McGill
21:16 on
14 December, 2013
e=mc2
21:14 on 14 December, 2013
so were reduced to whataboutery too?
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Just hypothetically???????
The script under the banners about chasing votes
Big Georges Fan Club
It is my guess that there was 18,000 today.
The Morton and Arbroath crowds were (in my estimation on those days ) about 10-12,000. There was a bigger crowd today, no doubt and I stated that.
I took some time to gauge Celtic Park this afternoon: The main Stand was 2/3 full; the LL and JS looked to have 1/4. The North stand a little more and I put that at about 7,000.
Hence the 18,000.
I’d say that just might be interpreted as a teeny weeny bit political???
The E has been found.
To say Celtic FC is non political
is to deny our history.
Our club was formed for humanitarian
and political reasons.
I have yet to meet a Celtic supporter
who was not political.
I am hugely impressed by the politics of the GB.
They are a credit to us.
THE EXILED TIM-Free the Dam 5
21:21 on
14 December, 2013
e=mc2
Who is going to close the ground ?
HH
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Exiled- undoubtedly UEFA, easily if we offend two or three more times. Banning if we keep going- I mean what is it 5/7 offences in last few years, fines creeping up……
Goodnight Timland.
God bless all Celtic fans, corporate lackies and leftie pretentious
upstarts alike…..the sooner the hun is back the better,it’s the truth
I tell you, we need a real enemy to stop all this domestic strife
Bum boody-bum boody-bum boody-bum
Boody-bum boody-bum boody-bum-bum-bum
PUKKI the Finisher!
Bum boody-bum boody-bum boody-bum
Well, goodness gracious me.
;o)
Ernie l
I really think the point of the banner was to embarrass PL and corporate Celtic.
David Peter Deans
21:25 on 14 December, 2013
I was standing right in front of those banners at the AC Milan game and to be honest I thought it innocuous. The GB are correct. Celtic supporters are being criminalized and our bored are going along with it old farts young farts and all. If you are a free thinker you will fight against this sustained attack on Celtic supporters. The current Celtic bored are colluding with all authorities “to make a buck” until their tenure is over or as the donut sees fit.
Currently Celtic supporters have no sway whatsoever in the future of the club. In fact Celtic supporters cannot even get the bored to be honest at AGMs.
Dis something happen to vhman and Corslad todays.
e=mc2
21:28 on 14 December, 2013
‘surely it is self explanatory’
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No, it’s not.
You assume the GB lied to the board. I don’t accept that assumption.
Gordon64
21:32 on
14 December, 2013
To say Celtic FC is non political
is to deny our history.
Our club was formed for humanitarian
and political reasons.
I have yet to meet a Celtic supporter
who was not political.
I am hugely impressed by the politics of the GB.
They are a credit to us.
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Humanitarian reasons only – (though politics is behind everything in life). We were also sectarian for first few years, so lets not get on our high horse too much. What are theses political reasons we were formed for? I missed that.
Interesting that Gerry Adams was invited to bid farewell today to Nelson Mandela by the ANC.
Wonder what Sepp was up to today?
Gordon 64
What was political reason for the birth of Celtic
Genuinely curious. Never heard of a political intent, just a charitable one.
December 22 1973.
Celtic 6 Falkirk 0
I stood in the jungle wondering why the crowd was so low. The weather was exactly as it was today, the match was took place on the biggest Christmas shopping day, and it was in the middle of the 3 day week energy crisis. The Celtic team that day included Dalglish, Johnstone, Deans and Lennox, in fact probably a top 10 European side.
Crowd 11000.
If, as some say, the attendance was as low as 18000 at CP today, there’s usually a good reason. I know two or three of the top of my head.
hh
come on ernie, you’re better than that……
e=mc2
“Sectarian for our first few years…”
How many?
The banner was about the subjective way the SNP government has gone about attacking the expression of an element of our Club’s culture and heritage.
UEFA should be supporting the GB for this as part of their ‘Respect Fan Culture’ agenda.
I don’t claim to be an expert, but weren’t we Catholic only 1888 to 1893? I might genuinely be wrong. Please don’t interpret this as an attack on the club – this was the 19th century after all.
When were we ever sectarian, Einstein?
jutsafan
Poverty and inequality.
Imo that is as political as you get.
Valentinesday
Sadly you are too near the truth for comfort I fear
gordon64
So no political then.
Thanks for clarifying
Non catholics played in the first game. And probably every game since.
e=mc2
21:35 on 14 December, 2013
Your wrong on both counts. Away and read some history.
WeefratheTim
21:26 on
14 December, 2013
Good evening all
After a horrendous day of weather, I arrived at the ground with the back of my trousers absolutely wringing.
Like the good old days in the Jungle…:-)
Ernie, on some level I agree, but UEFA won’t support the GB. Again, what if the GB pulls out political banner and it leads to larger fine, and again, – though this time it leads to part of the ground being closed- what would your position be then?