The potential scenario of a Scottish Premier League club going out of business, becoming an ex-club, has played out in several places since we discussed it last month. As a result, we have all had an opportunity to establish our views on the matter, what would and would not be an acceptable reaction by the league and SFA.
The first ‘insolvency event’ of a failing club is likely to be the appointment of an administrator to protect the company from immediate creditors. This would draw a 10 point penalty. The choice of the administrator for a football club could be a controversial subject, especially if some creditors stand to lose a considerable amount of money through any rushed deal. For example, although Rangers have a considerable potential liability to HMRC hanging over them, their creditors might feel that a period of administration stretching several years into the future would enable all debts to be paid in full, a position not all administrators would necessarily agree with.
It’s normal for directors to appoint an administrator prior to a creditor getting to court but if creditors don’t feel the appointment is likely to serve their best interests they can apply to appoint their own. These battles can get acrimonious.
In the days after an administrator is appointed the club may not be in a position to fulfil its fixtures. When Gretna’s administrator informed the Scottish Football League they could not guarantee they would be able to fulfil the following season’s fixtures the league relegated them two divisions, to the bottom rung of the league structure. This proved to be a temporary position before the administrator admitted defeat and folded the company. Precedent suggests we should look out for a double relegation if a club in administration has to tell the league they cannot fulfil fixtures.
There is no point waiting until a well-organised administrator presents a fait accompli to the league before we look for precedents and debate an appropriate response. For the integrity of the Scottish game, football fans need to be ready for this debate. Where possibly, colours should be pinned to the mast.
One outcome of the online debate in the last couple of days (thanks to untiring work of our friend Phil) is that Celtic were forced to consider this question. I sought and received assurances that they will not vote to admonish owners of an ex-football club with a paltry point penalty, allowing them to reform as though nothing happened the following season.
The question is still-hypothetical, so clubs are not in a position to comment officially yet, but we are in a healthier position for the debate and should encourage high profile supporters of other clubs to engage the debate as some from our own club have recently.
Fans Against Criminalisation are holding a pubic meeting on Saturday, 12 November, at Whitehill Secondary School, 280 Onslow Drive, Denniston, with Michael McMahon, MSP, among others, speaking. Try to make it along to support this important initiative before you are criminalised by a combination of stealth and apathy.
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ElDiegoBhoy says:
10 November, 2011 at 20:36
Indeed he was. We were all singing Tiger Feet this morning, thanks to BSR…
of course mud, the ol’ tiger feet
ElDiegoBhoy says:
10 November, 2011 at 20:36
fourstonecoppi
Wasn’t he Mud’s lead singer?
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And Taggart’s brother too..
glamrockcfc
Not football related (so feel free to scroll on by) but IMO, interesting nonetheless. Opinion pieces like this are not often seen in the national press.
http://www.monbiot.com/2011/11/07/the-self-attribution-fallacy/
67 heaven jackie mac
We shall remember them, or maybe not! Although I can still see a way out for them. In all honesty what would happen to us if they do disappear? its hard enough to get/keep decent players at parkhead the now. We would scale back even further.
ps
ian gray is the twin of buzz lightyear and cameron/osborne is the twin of data from star trek n.g.
gorbalstam says:
10 November, 2011 at 20:41
Oops, meant to say, shamelesly nicked from HB.
reilly1926 says:
10 November, 2011 at 20:40
I thought Taggart’s brother was the singer with Sweet…
reilly
Taggart’s brother sang with The Sweet
The Pantaloon Duck says:
10 November, 2011 at 20:43
I thought Taggart’s brother was the singer with Sweet…
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You’re thinking of Brian Connolly – Billy Connolly’s half brother.
:-)
all nonsense about taggart’s brother. he sang with the police and he liked sweets.
reilly1926- That was Brian Connolly of the Sweet.
They were so good a railway station in Dublin was named after him.
goldstar
Dublin was named after Blackpool
reilly1926 says:
10 November, 2011 at 20:46
The same Billy Connolly who sang with Gerry Rafferty who sang with Joe Egan?
Maybe Joe Egan was Taggart’s brother?
1. whitecrook tim says:
10 November, 2011 at 20:29
Good article by Ian Archer on the Dundee game at Parkhead when Davidson ignored the linesman’s flag and gave Dundee and offside goal. Big Jock laid into him with verbals in the middle after 90 mins and was later fined £100 by the SFA for his comments. Read it here: http://www.thecelticwiki.com/page/1972-11-01%3A+Celtic+3-2+Dundee%2C+League+Cup
Evening folks
Technical help required:
Every time I click on a webpage link that I’ve located after a Google search, instead of taking me to the page I’m getting redirected to different websites, ‘bluewax’ being one of them?!
I’ve scanned my laptop with my Kaspersky security and it detected 5 infections all of which have been dealt with but still the problem of redirection exists!
Any ideas??
Thanks for any advice in advance.
Whitecrooktim
Just seen your post
I had the pleasure (hmmmm) of playin in the
school select team for lanarkshire and a certain mr r davidsons
son ‘Barney’ Davidson (goalkeeper -airdie Academy ?) was played at CH
during a trial match to stop a ‘tim’ getting a chance
Some CQNrs may know who picked the team then
A certain Mr Watson (braidhurst high who became a blazer at SFA for his efforts)
& Mr McClymont (Braidhurst ?)
Anyway bias of the highest order !
The Pantaloon Duck says:
10 November, 2011 at 20:50
The same Billy Connolly who sang with Gerry Rafferty who sang with Joe Egan?
Maybe Joe Egan was Taggart’s brother?
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Your wrong. Taggart was no relation of the ex-Liverpool manager.
TimQuinny……..we would move forward, confident that the priority will be watching the Celts play, and not the MIB………..we would not mis them in ANY way….get them out, out, out…… Tick Tock
i wonder if you get the same Banter on Vanguard Bears,mind you they have nothing to worry about,denial,it will go away,they stupid Celtic supporters its all their fault,doomsday bring it on
Joe Egan is Kevin Egan’s brother – and – simultaneously – Kevin is Joe’s.
Reilly1926
Billy C did play with GR . Was the group not called the humblebums or somethin ?
I am meeting paddy gallagher in O’Neill’s tomorrow, just after 16:00 for a pint after my work as I can’t make it tomorrow night. Anybody about at that time please join us.
Keep the Faith!
Hail Hail!
Billy C did play with GR . Was the group not called the humblebums or somethin ?
Gordon Richards did not sing with The Humblebums. He rode the queen’s horses
Evening Bhoys.
I am at Uni in Florida but travelling to NYC tomorrow to meet my old man, tully57!
We will just make the Republic game when we get into the centre around 7ish- can anyone recommend any good bars to watch the game?
Hail Hail!
CB
CQN here’s an e-petition, if anyone’s interested;
Rangers. Pay your taxes.
Responsible department: Her Majesty’s Treasury
Rangers Football Club implemented an EBT scheme whereby its highly paid employees of the Board and Playing staff where paid top wages by using the EBT scheme as an illegal tax avoidance scheme. Estimates suggest the club owe as much as £50m. The £50m that was illegally channelled away from the government purse allowed this club to operate well beyond its means at a highly inflated level. This has been to the detriment of the Government, Scottish Football and their own fans who now face seeing them going out of business. Despite knowingly taking on this ‘risk’ new owner Craig Whyte is now looking to steamroll the club through the legislative process whilst attempting to gain access to the top flight of the Scottish Game. Rangers FC and their owners need to pay their dues, pay their taxes and take the full punishment that is imposed on them.
https://submissions.epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/21438
The amount of utter paish posted on here makes me wonder why I continue to read it;
Taggert ——- Real name Mark McManus…………..his we bro isnae ex-celt Stephen wae a p…….
Brian Connolly ————–Lead singer with Sweet >> Inbetween Big Bro Sean & Wee Bro Billy………
Sean was a milkman who drove a float in Leith, Brian only worked with Sean on a Thursday, collecting the money round the doors. Billy was too wee for this, so he was made to keep the fire well kinnelt………..
Wish folk would check the fact afore they post shoite…………….
Paddy T
Panda Hands, I’m not a techie but if you take you’re pc back to a previous date where the settings were ok, that should work.
Vinny
HH
setting free the bears says:
10 November, 2011 at 21:00
Gordon Richards was the guitarist with the Rolling Stoves. He was considerably less successful than his brother Keith.
Vmhan who Supports Neil Lennon says:
10 November, 2011 at 21:05
Panda Hands, I’m not a techie but if you take you’re pc back to a previous date where the settings were ok, that should work.
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Otherwise known as “The Tardis Move”
Paddy T……..
http://i54.tinypic.com/23wn1vt.jpg
Keep the Faith!
Hail Hail!
PT
Absolute garbage!
If his name was Mark McManus, how come he was called taggart.
Surely it was Michelle dragging up.
You shouldnae rely on wikipedia for this nonsense
Setting free the bears
Were they part of the act ? :)
Vmhan who Supports Neil Lennon says:
How do I do that?
computernumptycsc
Just to remind us all, you can view it any time by clicking my blog name:
Something Inside So Strong
Keep the Faith!
Hail Hail!
Panda Hands says:
10 November, 2011 at 21:11
Depends what system your running I think.
Google System Restore.
It’s easy enough.
Lennybhoy
That’s no fair you having a picture like that all to yersell :>)
setting free the bears says:
10 November, 2011 at 21:00
Gordon Richards was the guitarist with the Rolling Stoves. He was considerably less successful than his brother Keith.
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Gordon “Gord” Richards was the Resident Project Manager for R.M.Parsons when Mossmorran was being built. I kent him better when he was a Con. Man. at BP Grangemouth.
Wonder where he is noo…………probably running some Middle East regime………………..
Gordon really was a Moron……………
Paddy T in reminiscent mode