The potential scenario of a Scottish Premier League club going out of business, becoming an ex-club, has played out in several places since we discussed it last month. As a result, we have all had an opportunity to establish our views on the matter, what would and would not be an acceptable reaction by the league and SFA.
The first ‘insolvency event’ of a failing club is likely to be the appointment of an administrator to protect the company from immediate creditors. This would draw a 10 point penalty. The choice of the administrator for a football club could be a controversial subject, especially if some creditors stand to lose a considerable amount of money through any rushed deal. For example, although Rangers have a considerable potential liability to HMRC hanging over them, their creditors might feel that a period of administration stretching several years into the future would enable all debts to be paid in full, a position not all administrators would necessarily agree with.
It’s normal for directors to appoint an administrator prior to a creditor getting to court but if creditors don’t feel the appointment is likely to serve their best interests they can apply to appoint their own. These battles can get acrimonious.
In the days after an administrator is appointed the club may not be in a position to fulfil its fixtures. When Gretna’s administrator informed the Scottish Football League they could not guarantee they would be able to fulfil the following season’s fixtures the league relegated them two divisions, to the bottom rung of the league structure. This proved to be a temporary position before the administrator admitted defeat and folded the company. Precedent suggests we should look out for a double relegation if a club in administration has to tell the league they cannot fulfil fixtures.
There is no point waiting until a well-organised administrator presents a fait accompli to the league before we look for precedents and debate an appropriate response. For the integrity of the Scottish game, football fans need to be ready for this debate. Where possibly, colours should be pinned to the mast.
One outcome of the online debate in the last couple of days (thanks to untiring work of our friend Phil) is that Celtic were forced to consider this question. I sought and received assurances that they will not vote to admonish owners of an ex-football club with a paltry point penalty, allowing them to reform as though nothing happened the following season.
The question is still-hypothetical, so clubs are not in a position to comment officially yet, but we are in a healthier position for the debate and should encourage high profile supporters of other clubs to engage the debate as some from our own club have recently.
Fans Against Criminalisation are holding a pubic meeting on Saturday, 12 November, at Whitehill Secondary School, 280 Onslow Drive, Denniston, with Michael McMahon, MSP, among others, speaking. Try to make it along to support this important initiative before you are criminalised by a combination of stealth and apathy.
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Vmhan who Supports Neil Lennon says:
On another note, was at wee Joe’s funeral few weeks back.
Few of the Port bhoys were discussing having an annual charity match in his honour. Would be a great idea. Also speaking to a guy at the start of the week who says Charlie and the Bhoys maybe coming over for a charity gig in his honour, not sure if you heard any of this already?
Mark McManus used to drink with his brother Mick
down at the Symington Hotel near Biggar
when Mark moved there.
Always ended up fightin !
According to Celtic Wiki, our club really did sign R.H. Davidson’s son, Alan, in November 1979 from Larkhall-based club, Royal Albert but he was released at the end of one season and ended up at Airdrie.
Wonder if he was a Tory? or a Lesbian?
setting free the bears says:
10 November, 2011 at 21:09
‘If his name was Mark McManus,’
Who was a relative of Crocodile Dundee. Or it might have been Skippy. He was definitely someone’s relative. I know this is a FACT because he once sent a letter to The Sunday Post saying
Dear Sunday Post
Please settle a family argument. Am I related to anybody?
Yours etc
Mark McManus
Bankiebhoy1
May your friend Jackie Morrison rest in peace.
TT
Courtesy of Bundoran Bhoy a few months ago, it’s always been there…just thought I would share it.
It is my screen saver on my laptop. What was that saying…every picture tells a story…:)
Keep the Faith!
Hail Hail!
adi_dasler says:
10 November, 2011 at 21:16
Mark McManus used to drink with his brother Mick
down at the Symington Hotel near Biggar
when Mark moved there.
Always ended up fightin !
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My mate used to drink in there and he used to tell me that Saturday afternoons always turned into a wrestling match. (The McManus’ always to blame)
Panda hands
Are you using a router? If so, the firmware may be infected. Wonder how that could happen! You may have to reinstall the firmware. Go to the router manufacturer webpage and flash update firmware. Not as dificult as it sounds. As Ernie says, google it.
I emailed my msp regarding the comments attributed to christine graham and have just had a response. This msp is aclose personal friend of mine so was probably under the impression he could be more candid than normal.
Basically he has let me know that she is renowned for these views, she has been warned previously and is quite difficult.
Begs the question!
setting free the bears says:
10 November, 2011 at 21:09
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Behave yursell you………….
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The Pantaloon Duck says:
10 November, 2011 at 21:08
setting free the bears says:
10 November, 2011 at 21:00
Gordon Richards was the guitarist with the Rolling Stoves. He was considerably less successful than his brother Keith.
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Here we go the Old band debate……………Really Hated the Rolling StoVies……..much prefered Muddy Waters, who’s wee sister is Julie Wa(l)ters. Julie once played a leading role in Educating Rita………..that’s her out of Corrie, her with the Corner Shop, who used to be the lead singer with Pickety Witch…….
FACT
Paddy T
Paddy T
Jojo Balde/South of Tunis
Not an urban myth. If my memory serves me right it Vodafone initially offered £1.25bn, but HMRC accepted £400m. How that happened we will never know, not unless Private Eye find out that is.
setting free the bears says:
10 November, 2011 at 21:17
He was both…(allegedly)…:)
Keep the Faith!
Hail Hail!
Rangers FC tonight reporting that former non executive directors, Johnny Cash, Steve Jobs, Bob Hope & Jimmy Saville are all dead and they now have the added difficulties of having:
No Cash, No Jobs, No Hope & No one to Fix It… ;)
JD
Barrach Obampot says:
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Done and link posted on FB innaw, cheers.
V
Neil Lennon is (and always will be) a Celtforlife (*O*) says:
10 November, 2011 at 21:23
‘Basically he has let me know that she is renowned for these views, she has been warned previously and is quite difficult.’
That’s odd. The rumours suggest that if anything she’s easy rather than difficult.
Or have I misunderstood?
TLJD
A tad below the belt there methinks
Funny though ;)
Lennybhoy, I thought Paddy G was coming over for a Celtic game?
Mibbee next time.
Ps If Paddy G is still coming down to Blackpool tell him to get in touch for a beer.
V
HH
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/scot_prem/default.stm
alex norton alias matt burke is taggart.
alex norton is in Just Another Saturday wae billy connolly.
billy connolly supports celtic.
taggart is set in glasgow.
celtic play in glasgow.
matt burke likes sweets.
the facts speak for themselves.
Good man Vmhan spread the love
mon the HMRC!
https://submissions.epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/21438
What’s the script with Paddy G
Paddy T
Some very funny posts on tonight lads. Fair play to ye all
Have we many players playing this weekend ? We need more injuries like Rangers need invoices arriving at the door ?
lazysurfercsc
EL
Once again you know more than most.
I’m giving first hand knowledge from someone who has worked with her for years.
Good grief!
Wonder if maggie Thatcher’s Da was a Scottish referee?
Were we ever done out of a Cup final win by a Mr. Alf Roberts?
Lennybhoy
Aye it does, pity more supporters didn’t feel the same, which reminded me, I got an e-mail a few months ago from a jurno friend, not of the footballing kind, he told me that he had heard whispers that them’s did not want Lenny as our manager when they hit the rocks, makes sence to me now.
jackie mac says:
10 November, 2011 at 21:29
‘Ibrox name not sacrosanct’
Though when you think of it, it would be a good name, wouldn’t it?
The Sacrosanct Arena.
The Sacrosanct Stadium.
What could possibly go wrong?
Barrach Obampot says:
Signed and link tweeted to my, um, many millions of followers
excuse me for a sec please while i play aboot wi HTML
ta !
Nice Wee Fitba Game
Sorry, my last post should have read.
Not an urban myth. If my memory serves me right Vodafone were initially prepared to offer £1.25bn, and made provision for that amount in their accounts, but HMRC accepted £400m.
How that happened we will never know, not unless Private Eye find out that is.
Aren’t the perennial non achievers at Neukie Broon renaming their ground? They reckon it’ll bring in multo dosh.
ah
cool
it worked !!
yee ha !!
Vmhan who Supports Neil Lennon says:
10 November, 2011 at 21:28
Think paddy g is over seeing family, from memory over to take his Mum back to his abode.
I will pass on your moby number to him tell him to get in touch if and when he is heading to the Fylde Coast…
Hope you are well mate…
Keep the Faith!
Hail Hail!
ernie
“Though when you think of it, it would be a good name, wouldn’t it?
The Sacrosanct Arena.”
Not sure that they’d like the Sant part of the name but SACRO seems appropriate
sftb
Wisnae he an Alien Life Force in his days on that programme?
Jeez, this is whit NT weeks do for what remains of the brain!
The only cow in a small town in Ireland stopped giving milk.
The town folk found they could buy a cow in Scotland quite cheaply. So they brought the cow from Scotland. It was wonderful, produced lots of milk every day and everyone was happy.
Then they bought a bull to mate with the cow to get more cows, so they’d never have to worry about their milk supply again.They put the bull in the pasture with the cow, but whenever the bull tried to mount the cow, the cow would move away.No matter what approach the bull tried, the cow would move away from the bull and he was never able to do the deed.
The people were very upset and decided to go to the Vet, who was very wise, tell him what was happening and ask his advice.
“Whenever the bull tries to mount our cow, she moves away. If he approaches from the back, she moves forward. When he approaches her from the front, she backs off. If he attempts from one side, she walks away to the other side.”The Vet rubbed his chin thoughtfully and pondered this before asking,
“Did you by any chance buy this cow in Scotland?”
The people were dumbfounded, since no one had ever mentioned that they had brought the cow over from Scotland.
“You are truly a wise Vet,” they said. “How did you know we got the cow from Scotland?”
The Vet replied with a distant look in his eye:
“My wife is from Scotland.”
ernie lynch
in answer to your question maybe i maybe no
Ernie
Sacrosunk Stadium !
If they get a sponsor, would creditors demand the money ? I don’t understand the the ins and outs of it but I’m sure Whyte would have gone for this if it was a possibility.