The potential scenario of a Scottish Premier League club going out of business, becoming an ex-club, has played out in several places since we discussed it last month. As a result, we have all had an opportunity to establish our views on the matter, what would and would not be an acceptable reaction by the league and SFA.
The first ‘insolvency event’ of a failing club is likely to be the appointment of an administrator to protect the company from immediate creditors. This would draw a 10 point penalty. The choice of the administrator for a football club could be a controversial subject, especially if some creditors stand to lose a considerable amount of money through any rushed deal. For example, although Rangers have a considerable potential liability to HMRC hanging over them, their creditors might feel that a period of administration stretching several years into the future would enable all debts to be paid in full, a position not all administrators would necessarily agree with.
It’s normal for directors to appoint an administrator prior to a creditor getting to court but if creditors don’t feel the appointment is likely to serve their best interests they can apply to appoint their own. These battles can get acrimonious.
In the days after an administrator is appointed the club may not be in a position to fulfil its fixtures. When Gretna’s administrator informed the Scottish Football League they could not guarantee they would be able to fulfil the following season’s fixtures the league relegated them two divisions, to the bottom rung of the league structure. This proved to be a temporary position before the administrator admitted defeat and folded the company. Precedent suggests we should look out for a double relegation if a club in administration has to tell the league they cannot fulfil fixtures.
There is no point waiting until a well-organised administrator presents a fait accompli to the league before we look for precedents and debate an appropriate response. For the integrity of the Scottish game, football fans need to be ready for this debate. Where possibly, colours should be pinned to the mast.
One outcome of the online debate in the last couple of days (thanks to untiring work of our friend Phil) is that Celtic were forced to consider this question. I sought and received assurances that they will not vote to admonish owners of an ex-football club with a paltry point penalty, allowing them to reform as though nothing happened the following season.
The question is still-hypothetical, so clubs are not in a position to comment officially yet, but we are in a healthier position for the debate and should encourage high profile supporters of other clubs to engage the debate as some from our own club have recently.
Fans Against Criminalisation are holding a pubic meeting on Saturday, 12 November, at Whitehill Secondary School, 280 Onslow Drive, Denniston, with Michael McMahon, MSP, among others, speaking. Try to make it along to support this important initiative before you are criminalised by a combination of stealth and apathy.
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Barrach Obampot
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THE EXILED TIM says:
10 November, 2011 at 21:31
Great double Lenny has hopefully turned the corner in November and there will be Admin. in November…I hope and pray…
Keep the Faith!
Hail Hail!
I reckon Grahame should sue.
It worked for Tommy.
jackie mac
If they get a sponser now the money would go into the pot so it’s no gonna happen, though it would be worthwile when a newco has risen from the sewer.
According to one genealogy website Maggie’s da’s grandmother was born in Kerry, one Katherine Smith. Wonder if her family knew Casement or Tone?
SFTB
If we end up with a newco with a newly named stadium and turn up this season or next, brass necked – will you change your moniker to Setting Free the don’t care bears?
U
whitecrook tim 20.29
“i think a guy called Mckay scored Aberdeens goals he disappeared after that as quick as he Arrived.”
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He emigrated to Perth Australia.
His wife is a huge Celtic supporter ,and he himself was very well known amongst The Perth CSC members in Australia.
He was a well kent face in Rosie O’Grady’s in Perth Australia.
He passed away a couple of years ago at a relatively young age.
I think his nickname was something like two times.
One of the Perth Tims could possibly clarify it.
TT
bankiebhoy1,
Ar Dheis Dé go raibh a anam.
Árd Macha
ernie
When Tommy’s case was ongoing he realised that he had left some papers at the court, so back he goes, when he got there there was only a cleaner doing her cleaning, he says to her, I’m just back for my holedoll, she turns to Tommy and says, ffs Tommy are you no in enough trouble.
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Hail Hail
Panda Hands. Follow Ernie’s advice for pc.
I never knew that but not surprised, there’s a memorial mass for him this week in Port Glasgow Holy family…. I’ll hopefully make next year if it happens.
V
uly
If they get a new name, they’ll need new nicknames too.
They won’t be the Teddy Bears or the Gers anymore.
But, I am not heartless. they can still keep one of their old names.
They can still be The Huns
Nuclear Bovril and TET the HM Gov site is bound to crash now!
I’ve just started reading John Lanchester’s book “Whoops! Why everyone owes everyone and no on can pay”, a kind of credit crunch for dummies, which time will tell if I can actually understand. Anyway to give an idea the scale of the debt here, he quotes John Allen Paulos book “Innumeracy” where you are told to imagine a million seconds in days.
Its about twelve days.
Then a billion seconds.
Its about thirty-two years!
Now given this CQN, what would Craig Whyte’s wealth be?
I reckon a couple of hours.
Bundoran Bhoy says:
10 November, 2011 at 21:52
How you mate?
Meeting paddy g in O’Neill’s when I finish at 16: for a pint as I can’t make tomorrow night, what time you all meeting him?
Keep the Faith!
Hail Hail!
Neil Lennon is (and always will be) a Celtforlife (*O*) says:
10 November, 2011 at 21:28
I know but I can’t help it…. even though before I press the return button I question what I am posting….? But I still press the return button? I think I might be developing a new form of Bloggers Tourettes….
The symptoms are highly advanced, I am addicted to CQN, Mrs Doyle has given up all hope of my recovery, but she is a Hun and the only Hun I will ever love.
As the light fades, I bid you farewell. Kojo, we missed yi the night ya stoater.
TLJD
Bundoran Bhpy:
…16:00…
Keep the Faith!
Hail Hail!
Lennybhoy…Supporting Neil Lennon and CFC until I die says:
10 November, 2011 at 21:56
Im good mate, dnt think ill be in there till 6ish (stuff to do after work)
Pity you cant stay out for a few hours but sort a catchup another time
HH
THE EXILED TIM says:
10 November, 2011 at 21:50
ernie
When Tommy’s case was ongoing he realised that he had left some papers at the court, so back he goes, when he got there there was only a cleaner doing her cleaning, he says to her, I’m just back for my holedoll, she turns to Tommy and says, ffs Tommy are you no in enough trouble.
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Splattered tea all over my laptop there ya bam.
Barrach Obampot says:
10 November, 2011 at 21:54
Signed on the site,why don’t you get to see signatures?
Bundoran Bhoy says:
10 November, 2011 at 21:58
No worries mate…Christmas is coming and I have a nigh-out 2nd Dec and Dundee on the 4th Dec…brownie points required after hamiltontim’s bash last week…
Keep the Faith!
Hail Hail!
16.00 hours would be 57,600 seconds into the new day.
With 12 minutes remaining in tonight’s Glasgow Cup Tie between Rangers U-17 and Queens Park U-17, The Hampden mob were leading 2:0.
What happened next?
Ghuys, I am facing the second gut wrenching event in the space of a year. A year ago, last weekend, I lost my dad. I spent many weeks on this blog after his death losing myself and at the same time taking comfort from the Celtic family.
Twelve days ago my wife announced to me that she was leaving as she was not happy anymore. As I type this, she is loading up the car with her possessions. She moves into her new flat tomorrow.
Twenty two years of marriage gone in a puff of smoke.
Sorry to bring the mood of the blog down but I am at a loss.
setting free the bears says:
10 November, 2011 at 22:07
With 12 minutes remaining in tonight’s Glasgow Cup Tie between Rangers U-17 and Queens Park U-17, The Hampden mob were leading 2:0.
What happened next?
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Were there penalties involved for the team losing ?
tinytim thankyou for information.i think i had read he had died
off subject was at funeral this morning in St Marys Duntocher,church full to the gunnels.the lovely hymn Eagles wings was song with others.A eualogy at the end by one of his sons,well said and funny about his 90 year old deceased father.anyway a lovely funeral
SpongeBhoy
Sorry to hear about your troubles. I hope you can surround yourself with people who care for you and help see you through these bitter times.
SpongeBhoy SquarePants says:
10 November, 2011 at 22:09
Sorry to hear your news. Don’t really know what to say…so all I’ll say is good luck to you…
Keep the Faith!
Hail Hail!
SpongeBhoy SquarePants says:
10 November, 2011 at 22:09
Do you have a friend/relative nearby,give them a wee call.
Think you would be better with some company tonight son.
Don’t know what else to say son,take care.
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TinyTim..
I Believe his Nickname was Cup Tie McKay..
Kano was a Good mate of His..Died in Thailand..
Summa
SpongeBhoy
I feel for you mi amigo, nothing we can say will make you feel better, only remember YNWA.
Until we meet again…
Keep the Faith!
Hail Hail!
A point of information to all. Mark McManus used to drink in the Cockburn Bar in Blytheswood Square possibly before, during, or after filming. Any posters have any memories of this pub? I remember Iris the owner who would always cash a cheque for you! PS with all this mention of MMs alter ego, am I entitled to royalties?
voguepunter no idea pal.
Barrach Obampot says:
10 November, 2011 at 22:21
voguepunter no idea pal.
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Just don’t want my windaes panned in by an angry hun(is there any
other kind?)
SpongeBhoy SquarePants
You will feel how you feel and nothing we can say on here will make it any easier for you tonight.
We can listen but it may be better if you phone a friend/priest/family member you can trust ….. best wishes.
SFTB & whitecrook tim…
I am suprised to hear Ruth Davidson is the daughter of the one and only Mr
R H Davidson (Airdrie).
I am sure most of our recollections of Mr Davidson are negative ones and there is a long list of controversial incidents. His performance in the 1970 Scottish Cup Final was particularly awful and cost us the cup.
He was involved though in two games where Celtic were the beneficiaries.
In 1962, we played Hearts at Tynecastle in the Scottish Cup and the score was 3-3 with minutes remaining.
Mr Davidson awarded Celtic a penalty and Pat Crerand stepped up and his shot was saved by Gordson Marshall (senior). Amazingly, Davidson ordered a re-take (because he said he had not signalled for the kick to be taken) and thankfully Pat made no mistake the second time.
The other occasion when we benefitted from a Davidson decision occurred in October 1975 when he had to abandon our league game at Celtic Park v Hibs.
With just 7 minutes left, and with Hibs leading 2-0, the fog became so thick it was impossible to carry on and RH called a halt.
Two favourable decisions in two decades – can’t complain!
Get our sponsors in first…The Celtic Park Guinness Paradise Stadium….?
How about the icannaebroxybearitanylonger arena?
Ok spongebob,
The only advise I can give is get the celtic history DVD a large Irish whiskey and toast the good times. Every end is just a new begining.