The potential scenario of a Scottish Premier League club going out of business, becoming an ex-club, has played out in several places since we discussed it last month. As a result, we have all had an opportunity to establish our views on the matter, what would and would not be an acceptable reaction by the league and SFA.
The first ‘insolvency event’ of a failing club is likely to be the appointment of an administrator to protect the company from immediate creditors. This would draw a 10 point penalty. The choice of the administrator for a football club could be a controversial subject, especially if some creditors stand to lose a considerable amount of money through any rushed deal. For example, although Rangers have a considerable potential liability to HMRC hanging over them, their creditors might feel that a period of administration stretching several years into the future would enable all debts to be paid in full, a position not all administrators would necessarily agree with.
It’s normal for directors to appoint an administrator prior to a creditor getting to court but if creditors don’t feel the appointment is likely to serve their best interests they can apply to appoint their own. These battles can get acrimonious.
In the days after an administrator is appointed the club may not be in a position to fulfil its fixtures. When Gretna’s administrator informed the Scottish Football League they could not guarantee they would be able to fulfil the following season’s fixtures the league relegated them two divisions, to the bottom rung of the league structure. This proved to be a temporary position before the administrator admitted defeat and folded the company. Precedent suggests we should look out for a double relegation if a club in administration has to tell the league they cannot fulfil fixtures.
There is no point waiting until a well-organised administrator presents a fait accompli to the league before we look for precedents and debate an appropriate response. For the integrity of the Scottish game, football fans need to be ready for this debate. Where possibly, colours should be pinned to the mast.
One outcome of the online debate in the last couple of days (thanks to untiring work of our friend Phil) is that Celtic were forced to consider this question. I sought and received assurances that they will not vote to admonish owners of an ex-football club with a paltry point penalty, allowing them to reform as though nothing happened the following season.
The question is still-hypothetical, so clubs are not in a position to comment officially yet, but we are in a healthier position for the debate and should encourage high profile supporters of other clubs to engage the debate as some from our own club have recently.
Fans Against Criminalisation are holding a pubic meeting on Saturday, 12 November, at Whitehill Secondary School, 280 Onslow Drive, Denniston, with Michael McMahon, MSP, among others, speaking. Try to make it along to support this important initiative before you are criminalised by a combination of stealth and apathy.
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THE EXILED TIM says:
11 November, 2011 at 00:04
Viva la vino tinto!
Iki
thanks for the response, can’t afford the season ticket anymore so am left to scaping for tickets when I wanna go, nightmare!!
btw have any of you noticed how hilarious it is that the followers of THEM are sure everythings going to be ok?
the “Stilton Dome”
blue and smelly!
Jeez ghuys. I am overwhelmed by the posts and the emails. I have tears here but they are not tears of doom and gloom, they are tears of hope.
I have people who do not know me, giving me their email addresses, their mobile numbers – I am blown away. I cannot express in words my thanks to those who have come to my rescue – you have made a very difficult night bearable.
Hail Hail my Celtic friends
Maybe you know someone with a season card who could buy for you?
Yes I noticed.
The ground will help them cushion the blow when they fall.
Good Night.
Spongebhoy
Been there big fella and although just now may feel like your world has ended, it hasn’t mate, only a part of it has gone but you CAN get through this.
Think of the positives. You speak with love and affection of your children and your daughter sounds a real credit to you. Be there for each other and with God’s grace you will get through it.
If you need a chat you can get my email from Paul mate.
SpongeBhoy SquarePants
Good night, good luck and good to read that others on here have helped.
Spongebhoy – I shared your experience in 2003. May to be exact. I was in Seville. The best of times and the worst of times. You have had advice and support tonight which I hope will be of help to you. Like you I have kids and it was awful and for far too long I lived in a never ending guilt trip. It nearly ended me. I eventually discovered that it takes two people to allow a relationship fall apart as painful as it is. Right now you can’t see a way forward but the future as dark as it is now turns to light. Promise. Take care mate. HH.
The French …. Female biased comedy programme on beeb 2 just finished, switched to beeb 1 … What’s fuelling you’re economy? Interesting
Spongebhoy
Jeez is right. There was me with my sage and fascinating pearls of wisdom. A unique insight. Not.
Is there anyone on this blog who hasn’t been bleedin divorced yet??
Cheers
Yogi
it’s 11/11/11
or (stolen patter !) in USA terms…
it’s 11/11/11
:)
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Yogi..
God..
Summa
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Lest We Forget..To Pay our Tax Bill:ie..
11/11/11
Summa
yogijunior3 says:
11 November, 2011 at 00:39
Spongebhoy
Jeez is right. There was me with my sage and fascinating pearls of wisdom. A unique insight. Not.
Is there anyone on this blog who hasn’t been bleedin divorced yet??
Cheers
Yogi
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Me.
But then again, I haven’t been caught yet, either.
So, y’know, swings and roundabouts and all that…
yogijunior3 says:
11 November, 2011 at 00:39
Spongebhoy
Jeez is right. There was me with my sage and fascinating pearls of wisdom. A unique insight. Not.
Is there anyone on this blog who hasn’t been bleedin divorced yet??
Cheers
Yogi
…………….
Aye Yogi, there are loads who keep marriage sacred, in my case it’s through the enormous
Strength, love and …… Something inside so strong that my wife and through her I have,
We were together as 16yrs of age and fell in and out of love for a while, we got married at 21/ 22 and the two bhoys when we were 25/ 29.
Through all those years my wife ….. Wee Derryghirl kept us together she has/ had an extremely strong sense of family and friends, through thick and thin that wee Port Glasgow Lassie has kept us together when TBH most families would have split.
Just a wee bit motivated to post this tonight…..
V
Love and HH
Vmhan – beautiful post.
Goodnight cqn
hh
Vmhan
awesome !
thanks
goodnight
:)
our Blomfontein freinds, who are now in a reciprocal agreement with Sporting Lisbon. I have posted this for years on this site, yet our commentators describe this as the “polish celebration” (not knocking the poles – but this is a Celt thing too!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSdOVhPiqFE
Spongebhoy – Keep yer chin up amigo; it’s always darkest before the dawn. Been on my jack jones for 2 years now after 23 years of plodding through a nightmare. I too was worried about my kids but as someone else pointed out, the kids are way more resilient than we give them credit for. I have my daughter here tonight at my place and she’s happyt as a lark; which is all i need. My boy is in great form too.
You’re a great guy; never forget that.
slainte
tony
In this moment of time when folk are debating the pros n cons of allowing tax cheaters to join the league……..
The Lord Mayor McSweeney only wanted eguality in his country………….
should we all roll over timmy?……..
shall my soul pass through old ireland.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3U4C
2AIHAYc
Goodnight my friends in Celtic,
HH
Repost of Sheik Yerbouti
Sheik Yerbouti says:
10 November, 2011 at 13:37
posted this the other day
a re-post
division 3
all titles handed back
will being appropriate punnishment
sky give us eff all any way
increased revenue at the gates
lower ticket prices
champions league qualification
better and more chance for our own talent to develop
lower wages
our team isnae that good anyways
youth players wid be better
more competitive league
better national team
irish team too
….canny argue w/that
Spongebhoy
Been through a lot of heartache in my time and I know exactly how you feel…
Believe me time is the healer…. Take care and god bless…
Also god bless the Kids (VIP’s)…
Margaret McGill says:
11 November, 2011 at 02:24
All them good bits, but where is the moral parity for the not so great unwashed?
Taxing times
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/scot_prem/default.stm
Taxi for Whyte
Taxidermy
Taxi Stand
Tick tacks Toe
Tick tax tock
Just remember life is short and when the end comes I hope you all die like my father.
Peacefully in your sleep.
Not in the sheer unabated terror of his passengers.
ps – hair shirts would be a start.
ok remember now
Lawwellists see the glass as half full. Anti-Lawwellists see the glass as half empty.
Dermot sees the glass as twice as big as it should be.
Margaret McGill says:
11 November, 2011 at 02:35
Was he the boy who used to cry “NO BRAKES!” for a jolly chortle?
Bob Ag says:
11 November, 2011 at 02:38
You knew ma faither????
Its a small world
The abuse of Ireland and the Irish should be a modern lesson for us all that
there are other more modern abuses. We see it today in Syria, Afghanistan, Burma
and a multitude of others. Palestine for example.
Palestine belongs to the Arabs in the same sense that England belongs to the English
or France to the French. It is wrong and in-human to impose the Jews on the Arabs.
What is going on in Palestine today cannot be justified by any moral code of conduct.
The mandates have no sanction but that of the last war.
Surely it would be a crime against humanity to reduce the proud Arabs so that Palestine
can be restored to the Jews partly or wholly as their national home.
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I’M NO LUXURY BLASTS PADDY MCCOURT..
Paddy McCourt insists he has learned to work as hard as anyone
CELTIC cult hero Paddy McCourt insists he is desperate to shake off the tag of being a luxury player.
The 27-year-old has taken on the role of impact substitute at Parkhead since joining from Derry City in June 2008 and made the difference after coming off the bench in Sunday’s 2-1 SPL win at Motherwell.
McCourt has been taken to task over his fitness levels in the past and has made only a limited number of top-team starts with boss Neil Lennon putting him in his First XI just once this term.
But the Northern Ireland cap insists he has learned to work as hard as anyone on all sides of his game and hates the idea of being looked upon as a luxury you can’t afford when the players have their backs to the wall.
McCourt said: “To be honest I don’t want to be known as that. I’ve never ducked out of working back.
“I think people maybe label me as that type of player because of the amount of times I’ve come on as a sub.
To be honest I don’t want to be known as that. I’ve never ducked out of working back.
“However, if I get a chance this year, I am just hoping I can grab it with both hands and stay in the team as long as possible.
“I haven’t actually started a great deal of games, which is disappointing.”
McCourt has had chances to quit Parkhead, though, and was the subject of very keen interest from Blackpool last year. He gives the impression of being easy-going, a throwback to the players of a bygone era, but he states no-one should underestimate how thankful he is to have the chance to pull on the green-and-white hoops every Week.
“I always wanted to be a professional footballer and to have the opportunity is something that I don’t take lightly.”he said.
“I’m always very, very grateful because it’s not the easiest trade to get into.
“I’m well into my career and I’m just hoping to enjoy the last six or seven years as long as my legs keep going. When I got the chance to sign for Celtic it was something I took with both hands.It was an absolute dream come true.
“I’m really enjoying my time here. I’m settled and I hope I can get a few more games this season and try and help the team and go on to win a few more trophies.
“It’s a big club with a great history and a lot of supporters – not just in Ireland and Scotland, but across the world.There is always pressure, but that’s something you have to try and enjoy.”
Lennon has never felt able to give McCourt the regular game he craves, but he did start him in the 3-1 Europa League win over Rennes and lavished praise on him following the terrific piece of play that led to Gary Hooper’s winner against Motherwell.
McCourt has failed to win a championship medal during his time at Parkhead with arch-rivals Rangers having secured the last three titles and knows the odds are stacked against Celtic this term with their Ibrox rivals currently 12 points clear in the SPL having played a game more.
However, he refuses to accept the view of Light Blues striker Nikica Jelavic that the flag race is already over and done with in November adding “The big aim every year, playing for Celtic, is to win trophies.We have dropped a wee bit behind in the league, but we have reached the semi-final in one cup and we are hoping now to kick on.
“There is a long, long way to go and we still have to play Rangers another few times.The league is far from over and I’m sure Rangers will know that.It’s up to us to get the consistency going and make sure we don’t drop any silly points to try and keep the pressure up as long as possible.”
Summa
Summa of Sammi…. says:
11 November, 2011 at 02:44
who are the moderators?
….of the General Assembly of the Church of Scotland?
just askin like
I don’t know if it wis yer Faither maggie, but we used to hire a McGills bus,which attracted an awfy lot of those half bricks they leave hanging aboot the Dalmarnock Road and nearby environs.
I heard a subliminal Celtic executive today say that he will never break the bank, but, it was just for a second
Bring back Speedway, that’s where the crowds are!