The potential scenario of a Scottish Premier League club going out of business, becoming an ex-club, has played out in several places since we discussed it last month. As a result, we have all had an opportunity to establish our views on the matter, what would and would not be an acceptable reaction by the league and SFA.
The first ‘insolvency event’ of a failing club is likely to be the appointment of an administrator to protect the company from immediate creditors. This would draw a 10 point penalty. The choice of the administrator for a football club could be a controversial subject, especially if some creditors stand to lose a considerable amount of money through any rushed deal. For example, although Rangers have a considerable potential liability to HMRC hanging over them, their creditors might feel that a period of administration stretching several years into the future would enable all debts to be paid in full, a position not all administrators would necessarily agree with.
It’s normal for directors to appoint an administrator prior to a creditor getting to court but if creditors don’t feel the appointment is likely to serve their best interests they can apply to appoint their own. These battles can get acrimonious.
In the days after an administrator is appointed the club may not be in a position to fulfil its fixtures. When Gretna’s administrator informed the Scottish Football League they could not guarantee they would be able to fulfil the following season’s fixtures the league relegated them two divisions, to the bottom rung of the league structure. This proved to be a temporary position before the administrator admitted defeat and folded the company. Precedent suggests we should look out for a double relegation if a club in administration has to tell the league they cannot fulfil fixtures.
There is no point waiting until a well-organised administrator presents a fait accompli to the league before we look for precedents and debate an appropriate response. For the integrity of the Scottish game, football fans need to be ready for this debate. Where possibly, colours should be pinned to the mast.
One outcome of the online debate in the last couple of days (thanks to untiring work of our friend Phil) is that Celtic were forced to consider this question. I sought and received assurances that they will not vote to admonish owners of an ex-football club with a paltry point penalty, allowing them to reform as though nothing happened the following season.
The question is still-hypothetical, so clubs are not in a position to comment officially yet, but we are in a healthier position for the debate and should encourage high profile supporters of other clubs to engage the debate as some from our own club have recently.
Fans Against Criminalisation are holding a pubic meeting on Saturday, 12 November, at Whitehill Secondary School, 280 Onslow Drive, Denniston, with Michael McMahon, MSP, among others, speaking. Try to make it along to support this important initiative before you are criminalised by a combination of stealth and apathy.
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2010 Never Again
Ernie
Who do you think it will be….that asks the question of the valuer who made the dodgy valuation of Ibrox at the behest of Murray?
Vmhan
Foodie Heaven
This could be the one.
I also love The Dolls house ( owned by Carol Smillie and her hubby),and Niahm Jim (cantonese)
TT
http://www.elfvoetbal.nl/nieuws/149035_celtic-wil-zenden-graag-hebben
Google translation
Boudewijn Zenden are most likely the season at Celtic. The attacker is a Free Agent and according to his father and agent, Pierre Zenden, there is mutual interest.
“I do not know what will happen and not Baldwin. Friday we will make a decision, or perhaps even after the weekend. Baldwin has a good feeling at Celtic and it is certainly a club where we are interested. It is now not the money, it’s about the sporting challenge. that counts now, “says the father of the 36-year-old footballer.
“To start with, a contract until the end of the season in order. It’s a fun challenge and I think he’s still a lot to offer. Celtic told me that he was in excellent condition. You will have to coach ask what he thinks. We feel that she would like to have. “
BMCUW
its all about granularity though isn´t it ?
Does Tony Hamilton or the official facebook page mean anything ?
Not to me. I suggest that you are being naive also
There is more than enough material out there to be presented.
After Phil´s championing of Mr Fleming as the new development referee, Hugh Dallas still working for UEFA and Craven banned from the game for life .. there is enough to be going on.
IT IS CERTAINLY A CASE OF NOTHING HAS CHANGED.
I wonder what religion Ryan Frances is ?
HAil Hail
Mort says:
11 November, 2011 at 09:57
greenjedi at 09:55
No but no doubt they will put on a sentimental story on their website asking for donations to the Poppy Appeal.
Mort
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And they’ll pass it on minus the administration (oops theres that word again) fee no doubt!
one for the dressing room wall Lennie…
Friday November 11,2011
By Gary Keown
Have your say(0)
INVERNESS CAN CRUSH CELTIC’S FLAG DREAM A SECOND TIME SAY JOSH MEEKINGS
JOSH MEEKINGS reckons Inverness are ready to deal another title blow to Celtic and boost their own dreams of making the top six in the SPL.
The Highland outfit destroyed the Parkhead outfit’s hopes of clinching the championship last season when pulling off a stunning 3-2 home win in the closing run of fixtures.
And they would surely sink the Hoops’ fading season for good should they manage another giant-killing act against Neil Lennon’s men at the Caledonian Stadium next Saturday.
Meekings knows the bookies won’t fancy the SPL bottom dogs as Celtic head north. But the 19-year-old Englishman believes the game is coming at the perfect time for Terry Butcher’s side following a spectacular 6-3 thrashing of Kilmarnock at Rugby Park.
“We never go into a game thinking that we are going to lose and the win we have just had against Kilmarnock can help us.” he said.
We never go into a game thinking that we are going to lose and the win we have just had against Kilmarnock can help us
Josh Meekings
“We couldn’t be going into this next game any better because we have also had a break and everyone will be fresh when they come back.
“The timing is brilliant for us.Our aim is to get into the top six.If we keep doing what we are doing, I think we will gradually make our way up.
There has got to come a time where we get a bit of luck ourselves when we get a result when we haven’t played so well.
“I don’t think things have been going our way lately.I am certain we are going to do well. With Dunfermline winning at the weekend and Hibs dropping points, that has made it tighter. No-one has become down about the results we have been having and the team spirit has been great.
Does the SFA not understand the new Paul Mc Brides inspired disciplinary directives or have they binned them ?
Who was on this committee ?
Why has the disciplinary proceedings not been subsequently published ?
Why did it take so long for Cravens case to be heard ?
WHY IS NOBODY IN THE CELTIC CAMP SCREAMING LOUDLY AND UP IN ARMS ABOUT IT ?
Old Firm are us bhoys … dont forget it.
HAIL HAIL
Br\o/gan R\o/gan Trevin\o/ and H\o/gan says:
11 November, 2011 at 09:32
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Amazing post! Thanks.
V
AWE NAW 1005
Welcome back,by the way-sounds like you had a smashing time of it,and regards to your better half.
Niceties out of the way….
Naive? No.
On this particular issue,assurances seem to have been sought regarding the accuracy of Phil’s article by people,like Paul67,on the inside track.
Those assurances have been given.
Now I’m the first to admit that the assurances may turn out to be worthless,but when the custodians have given their word that there is nothing in the story,they will find it even more difficult to backtrack.
THAT is the value of the whole affair. They have been forced into a corner which they had previously avoided because no other journalist wanted to ask the question.
Mainly because they didn’t want to close that avenue.
Awe_Naw_No_Annoni_Oan_Anaw_Noo says:
11 November, 2011 at 10:10
Agree on length of wait for Cravens’ appeal but thing that amazes me is his presentation lasted THREE hours….Normally that would suggest there is quite a lot to consider,
Within 15 MINUTES of ending presentation the judgement was handed down which said he had no chance and that minds were already made up,
Disgraceful but typical.
A changed and reformed SFA? My a**e
Imatim and so is Neil Lennon says:
11 November, 2011 at 10:02
When the dust settles anyone who is left out of pocket will be able to argue that they only invested or provided credit because they thought the huns were solvent and had sufficient assets to pay everything based on the balance sheet valuations.
BMCUW
until I hear from Celtic and on our official site I will still consider those that believe other outlets to be naive. Sorry !!!!
Hail Hail
Of about 700 “pals” from Accrington, Lancashire who participated in the Somme offensive, some 235 were killed and 350 wounded within just 20 minutes. By the end of the first hour, 1,700 men from Bradford were dead or injured. Some 93 of the approximately 175 Chorley men who went over the top at the same time died.
Morning bhoys, warm and hun free.
A fleeting visit, things to do.
Awe Naw
It falls on deaf ears, too many not willing to open their eyes are look at what is staring them in the face.
In all honesty the real villans in the piece will get away with it, the sfa/spl have allowed the cheating to carry on for ever, the last few years blatently breaking their and uefa’s rules, but it will all be washed under the bridge, they will sight that everything is ok now and nothing like it will happen ever again, move along Timmy, nothing to see here.
Or on the other hand , it might just take a credible organisation to do the right thing and expose them for what they are, but I won’t be holding my breath, tis easier to suppress the sectarian nature of scotland than expose it.
And our board will just bend over again.
The Battered Bunnet says:
11 November, 2011 at 10:19
I’m all for the remembrance services, but why do we continue to allow politicians and members of the royal family to take centre stage?
These are the people who, in the case of pretty much every war with the exception of WWII, have failed those who died.
TET
Snap, the silence from CFC PLC after the Charlie Richmond farce tells us everything that is going on at the moment.
KTF
Top of the morning to you all from a miserable autumn morning in Fife.
In today’s Herald article on Christine Grahame Michael McMahon MPS is quoted as saying that Grahame “while considering the so-called Bigot Bill, as she appears to believe more Catholics need to be arrested to even things up.”
She may not have used those words and McMahon–like all politicians–is being economical with the facts, but his words do sum up the impression that Grahame unwittingly, and I believe spontaneously gave to a huge audience while she was questioning professor Tom Devine (See here : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LL6lMjdRuxA&feature=related ).
I believe Jeanette Findlay of the Celtic Trust wrote to her for clarification immediately on hearing her (Grahames’s) exchange with Tom Devine.
Grahame, as Justice Committee Convener left me in no doubt that she saw the new legislation as a way of balancing up the disproportionate number of Rangers’ fans who were convicted of sectarian offences under the old 2003 Act by roping in Celtic fans for the new offence of political sectarianism.
Most damning to me was the fact that as Justice Committee Convener Grahame had nothing to say about the extraordinary revelation that the analysis of sectarian crimes data (2003-present) that she, academics, and the RC Church had eagerly awaited had been destroyed by COPFS!
How can she or anyone advocate bringing in new legislation to deal with sectarian crime when the efficacy of the existing legislation cannot be examined as the data relating to such crimes has been mysteriously destroyed when we were all waiting to see it?
TET
but if what you say come to pass I hope a large section of our support start to wake up and smell the coffee that we are Old Firm and that we are the internally submissive acquiescent partner to the entire detriment of the game in Scotland. They are unable to break away from their repugnant Old Firm marketing model due to lack of influence ability and GONADS
I am kind of surprised that Phil has been getting it in the neck for this article. For the record I have contributed to Phil and even after he Championed Mr. Fleming as head of referee development … which didn´t sit right with me at the time and still doesn´t. That for me is far more of an issue than our PLC talking about an escape route for the old firm.
Due to their OWN incompetence, lack of vision, greed and lack of interest they have painted themselves into a corner……AND WE ALL KNOW IT
Hail Hail
For the Springburn contingent.
I was impressed by the honesty of the Springburn high heid yins who placed a yard of ale drinker outside the leisure centre.
Springburn welcomes moderate drinkers
Hail Hail
Estadio
BRTH- brilliant post.
I have just received an email from a company in Indonesia. I guess this is how the “celebrations” are viewed by other countries.
Dear xxxxx,
On behalf of XXXX Logistics group – Indonesia, We wish you a very happy Remembrance Day Holiday
– Stay Success, Joy and Lasting Happiness.
I see the board have been forced to answer Phil Mac’s charge, and I see those not questioing Phil’s integrity are satisfied with the clubs response. The same people who promised to back GS 100% on Tommy Burns Thursday, the naievety on here can be stunning sometimes, the old firm board will decide what is best for them not the club, when the time comes. Anyone ho elieves anything that lot has to say publicly is gullible beyond belief.
Some thoughts on Scotland:
http://leftbackinthechangingroom.blogspot.com/2011/11/kilted-sassenachs.html
Oh excuse me – I’ve jut had that driving along normally feeling when
“Eye of the Tiger” comes onto the radio, and you start going
a bit crazy thumping the steering wheel, and bouncing your feet
on the car.
Awe Naw
Deep down any thinking Celtic supporter knows that our board are in bed with them, I know it but it still doesn’t stop me supporting the club and contributing to the club, and there are many thousands out there who are the same, and the board know it.
From a financial point of view I can understand where they are coming from, they are wrong to hold that view imo, cos without them we could and would be better off, it’s more the sectarianisism that they are condoning that bugs me.
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Estadio..
Re; Phil..
I Stopped reading Phil..After the Russian Mafia Quotes and the ‘Endless’ Quotes that he Has a Source @ Ipox..
ie..CQN..During the Transfer window Has Ayrtic..Can You Imagine Ayrtic Starting a Blog..Telling Us he is John Clark..and He has a Source Inside the Celtic Dressing Room..:O)
Anonymity..Hmmmmm..
Summa
dont know if any one saw this recently
hope the link works!!!!
same war different clubs
bournesouprecipe says:
11 November, 2011 at 10:38
Yesterday – feet of the tiger.
Today – eye of the tiger.
You listen to Tiger FM?
Good Morning to the Celtic Family from an ovecast Central Scotland.I have heard from a reliable source that the deal for Bolo Zenden is a done deal he has past a medical and is extremely fit and will rejoin the Bhoys a Lennox town on Monday.I just hope we dont have another Freddie Ljunberg on our hands.H.H.
re Herald story, of which I was unaware.
More to come, trust me.
Sorry, Ernie!
TET
I think a lot of the support see themselves and their fellow fans as the club and not the PLC. The PLC do not represent their aspirations. They support the club DESPITE the PLC. If our PLC defacto support continued sectarianism to mainatin their repugnnant and ancient marketing model I think it will be noticed and many will no longer want associated with that.
Our PLC due to their terminal impotence have reached a juncture that they need to negotiate. I fear that they haven´t the slightest inkling in how to deal with it. We are at a crossroads … we become the archetypal WWF henpecked wife … to get bums on seats or … we break free and fulfil our true potential eventually …. sadly the need for profit making while being absent will hinder that for ever.
Hail Hail
AWE NAW,CANAMALAR and THE EXILED TIM
Lighten up,fellas-we’re singing from the same hymnsheet here.
My point is simply that if the board come down on the side of Rangers-ok,the Old Firm-then they will have lied to plenty of movers and shakers among the Celtic support.
IMO,that was the reason for the article. They’ve been painted into a corner.
Off to the boozer-seems like a jolly good idea!
TPD
It’ll be lonely this Christmas!
Exiled Tim and Awe_Naw –
the CQN knitting club is alive and well.
Aye, she telt me last week and I knew it wiz gonnae happen.
Ah know. Whit kin ye say? They’re aw the same. Wullnae lusten.
They’re aw aff their heids.
Aye. Bit am seek tellin thum.
CQN knitting club –
Ye know. Ah hope the Russkies drap the bomb, right oan George Skwerr.
Ah know. So we kin say, arh telt yez didn’t ah?
Who would win in a fight between Mo Bangura’s haircut, and Bolo Zendens CV?
Could have been worse for Newcastle had they changed their stadium to The Whey Hey Weight watchers
Arena.
I have put aside all the nonsense and exploitation that surrounds it just for 2 minutes.
There are many fallen soldiers who deserve my respect.
BZ – is only 1.74m tall
p