The potential scenario of a Scottish Premier League club going out of business, becoming an ex-club, has played out in several places since we discussed it last month. As a result, we have all had an opportunity to establish our views on the matter, what would and would not be an acceptable reaction by the league and SFA.
The first ‘insolvency event’ of a failing club is likely to be the appointment of an administrator to protect the company from immediate creditors. This would draw a 10 point penalty. The choice of the administrator for a football club could be a controversial subject, especially if some creditors stand to lose a considerable amount of money through any rushed deal. For example, although Rangers have a considerable potential liability to HMRC hanging over them, their creditors might feel that a period of administration stretching several years into the future would enable all debts to be paid in full, a position not all administrators would necessarily agree with.
It’s normal for directors to appoint an administrator prior to a creditor getting to court but if creditors don’t feel the appointment is likely to serve their best interests they can apply to appoint their own. These battles can get acrimonious.
In the days after an administrator is appointed the club may not be in a position to fulfil its fixtures. When Gretna’s administrator informed the Scottish Football League they could not guarantee they would be able to fulfil the following season’s fixtures the league relegated them two divisions, to the bottom rung of the league structure. This proved to be a temporary position before the administrator admitted defeat and folded the company. Precedent suggests we should look out for a double relegation if a club in administration has to tell the league they cannot fulfil fixtures.
There is no point waiting until a well-organised administrator presents a fait accompli to the league before we look for precedents and debate an appropriate response. For the integrity of the Scottish game, football fans need to be ready for this debate. Where possibly, colours should be pinned to the mast.
One outcome of the online debate in the last couple of days (thanks to untiring work of our friend Phil) is that Celtic were forced to consider this question. I sought and received assurances that they will not vote to admonish owners of an ex-football club with a paltry point penalty, allowing them to reform as though nothing happened the following season.
The question is still-hypothetical, so clubs are not in a position to comment officially yet, but we are in a healthier position for the debate and should encourage high profile supporters of other clubs to engage the debate as some from our own club have recently.
Fans Against Criminalisation are holding a pubic meeting on Saturday, 12 November, at Whitehill Secondary School, 280 Onslow Drive, Denniston, with Michael McMahon, MSP, among others, speaking. Try to make it along to support this important initiative before you are criminalised by a combination of stealth and apathy.
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macjay1 for Neil Lennon says:
11 November, 2011 at 07:11
Imatim
I prefer Luke Kelly,however…………….
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQBW6UQa8Fc&feature=related
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2010 Never Again
I’ve always loved this song.
Hail Hail to you and yours.
RE Phil’s “Done deal article….
I think Phil is in serious danger of undermining himself and his blog’s integrity.
He posted the “done deal” article on Tuesday and within one hour there was a relative explosion on comment from readers with 27 comments added. Since that hour NOTHING.
I know I have since added two comments. one of which is still in “moderation”, the other has disappeared…A few others I posted on different topics never saw the light of day.
Now I am a great fan of Phil and he has brought us some brilliant exclusives which, without him, would never have seen the light of day.
Moderating, without due cause, will allow people who are already very anti-Phil, to have an easy pop at his integrity, motives, etc,etc.
Anyone share my views or know what’s going on?
Better still, Phil, you read CQN.Maybe you could enlighten us. Has there been another server attack for instance?
Vmhan who Supports Neil Lennon says:
11 November, 2011 at 09:12
Just heard from down in Blackpool that… There’s something afoot with der Hun and the bills are piling up below the marbled staircase…. The end of an (Erm famous Scottish institution) is imminent…….. there’s a story there I’d say.
V
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They can’t even die with dignity
Seems like Shane McGowan has produced a rash of Glen Daly impersonators
spot the best singers nearest the microphone
From the RTC blog so no credit to me…
Oh, the delicious irony on the good ship Airdrie those little Lanarkshire mini, mini Huns… Murray has to run a business so can show no mercy!
it was effectively Rangers directed by Minty Moonbeams who pulled the plug on your club.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/628268.stm
“Ibrox chairman David Murray applied for an interdict, on behalf of his company Carnegie, for a debt of around £30,000 owed by Airdrie.
Mr Murray said: “I feel very sorry for Airdrie and their supporters but we’re running a business. We have given them repeated warnings and felt they were playing on our good nature.”
They’re not singing! They are holding Broonie up after he threw his crutches away!
Hail hail
Estadio
Bolo Zenden has been offered a 1-month rolling contract and his agent is in talks on personal terms, which I am assured is all about “crossing the t’s and dotting the i’s”.
Expect an announcement today.
Ps I’ve a bottle of bubbly in the fridge, but in anticipation of a NW engerlund ex Hun party, I purchased another bottle of bubbly….. This was purchased from the auld souvenir shop and is labelled Celtic champagne…. I’ll maybe keep that bottle until the end of the season…. What do you think my friends?
Ps Huns need not reply! Limitations are in force regarding my normal 3 days to reply process ‘basically yir effed’
I’d normally insert a smiley at this point but the demise of der racist Hun is no laughing matter,
However a Green fingered thumbs up is in order methinks!
V
Morning Bhoys,
It seems that a certain MSP, who is involved with the Anti-Sectarian bill is being accused of holding virulent anti-Catholic views by her/his researcher. Unfortunately said researcher is not the most reliable witness, personality-wise, and also has an axe to grind having been dismissed.
But the story might yet still well have wings, despite this difficulty.
Watch this space!
Vmhan
Do the two of them in,you can always buy more for end of season.
jimmci
To be fair to Phil, his article was entitled “Done Deal?”, the question mark being operative.
To be fair to his critics, he may have presented his ‘sources in Celtic’ as being closer to the ‘highest echelons of the club’ and therefore more reliable than might have been prudent.
If he wanted to kick off a debtate, he couldn’t have done it any better. As a stand up story though, it remains to be seen.
Good Morning,
Does anyone remember what used to be the traditional Armistice weekend show from the Albert Hall, London which used to fill our TV screens on a Sunday night?
I cannot remember when I first saw that show or exactly what age I would be when I formed a view, but I guess I would be no more than 10 years old. My parents never said anything about it, not a word, and it would be seen on our TV screen— our new colour TV screen– year after year. Lot’s of Marching bands, guys in uniform, regiments and cavalry and the voice of Raymond Baxter or some other announcer to give the whole thing an air of gravitas.
The highlight was the Army, Nave and Airforce all in a race to carry a great big gun around a track. They would dissemble it at the start, carry the component parts over obstacles, reassemble the gun and fire it! Glory to the winner! Defeat to the vanquished.
This was then followed by the minutes silence, close up of the Royal Box, The national anthem and lashing of Sir Edward Elgar and Rule Britannia, and the dropping of thousands of Poppies on the assembles troops below!
The Child inside me for some reason reached an unexplainable rational conclusion—— ” I hate this show. I hate Everything about it!”
For the same reason I have never ever visited the Edinburgh Tattoo.
Now, 40 years later, I wake to find a poppy symbol following every move of Carol’s weather forecast on the BBC Breakfast programme. There is debate on the poppy as a symbol and questions as to whether it has been hijacked by the politicos and the showbiz mob. Huh! It is a debate that is 50 years too late.
I respect anyone’s right to wear a poppy should they so choose. I even find myself tempted sometimes– but I never do. Yet I have in the past felt guilty about not doing so. Not because I feel pressurised by protocol or marketing to do so– I could not give a kipper’s dick for the opinion anyone forms of me because I do or don’t wear a poppy– but because I do feel that the dead– and the living — from wars past should be remembered. It is only that way you can clearly see a path for the future.
I would encourage anyone and everyone to visit the graveyards and poppy fields of Normandy. To look on the countless acres of graves and poppies which demonstrate the sheer and utter idiotic calamity of man’s inhumanity to man.
Over my shoulder I hear the television reporters report from some school where three pupils were all awarded the Victoria Cross. Pupils who died between the ages of 17 and 23 all in the conflict of war. There is a reverence in the reporting, the tones in which current pupils get an “extremely rare” chance to hold one guy’s medal!
And yet again I hate it.
Yesterday there was a debate on the Radio with various people arguing about the merits or otherwise of the poppy. It was topped by a 90 year old woman who castigated the panel for their glib attitude, their knockabout point scoring and slapstick banter. She described being a bride and wife for 5 days before her new husband went to war never to return. Ask her if she cherish’s a medal or the memory of the man she never had the chance to have children and grandchildren with?
Q. What is War? A. Is it the name of a U2 Album?
Then there are those who died and suffered in episodes like the Clydebank Blitz, where thousands lost their lives and others lived for years with the shock and terror of those two nights in 1941. Some died from sheer suffocation in the air raid shelters– untouched by the relentless bombs except for the fact that the bombing and explosions were so intense that the air all around them was sucked up into the atmosphere with death the result. The same happened in Coventry, Liverpool and many others.
Yet I cannot think of Clydebank without thinking of the City of Dresden which was obliterated in a similar way with intense fires.
Acts like this are no more than sheer wilful indiscriminate mindless slaughter.
And what of the aftermaths of those bombings. No shops. no food, no homes, no schools, no friends, neighbours or relatives. Nothing was normal ever again. This scenario repeats and repeats over and over again. The Ardeatine Caves massacre in Rome where 144 souls were simply executed for resistance moves against the German army. The madness of the Gallipoli Landings, the sheer folly of the final push over the Maginot line, The Somme, Passchendale, Pearl Harbour and so on. Worst of all, the sheer terror and obliteration of Nagasaki and Hiroshima where the lucky ones died rather than face years of radiation poisoning.
And now my children see through their television that Strictly come dancing and x factor stars were a poppy like a fashion accessory, and there is repeated glorification of war and rule Britannia by damn near everyone on the TV. And we are meant to respect this? God help us!
Well not for me– ever. Not in my name or with my blessing or with my passive silence. Never again meant Never again– not never again except if it suits us or Never again but let’s skip the bad bits!
Worst still, is the set of mealy mouthed, Oxbridge educated idiotic hypocrites who run our political parties. Imagine them living through rationing, carrying gas masks in a box, being evacuated away from home and family for their own safety? Can you see that picture in reality in your mind’s eye? Can you see any of them covered in mud, cold, hungry, starving and injured in the trenches following orders that make no sense? No me neither. Not in a zillion years. Can you see them sweeping for land mines or hiding from sniper fire in Kosovo or Helman?
I understand fully why armed resistance was necessary to prevent the evil ambitions of Adolph Hitler. But beyond that I have never ever understood the logic of any war whatsoever. I recall walking through Central Station in the ’80’s only to find rows and rows of young men, with their heads shorn all waiting to board trains to take them off to the Falklands. They were all agitated and whistling Colonel Bogie like kids on some great school trip. Some werethe same age as me– early twenties– others were younger still. I just couldn’t understand where they were coming from or what they were doing. Their mindset was as Alien to me a group of Martians or creatures from deep deep space. They were truly frightening.
Can you imagine lifting a gun, pointing it, pulling the trigger and watching the bullet hit home,rip through flesh,bone and organ and so end another human beings life? Or pressing the button, that releases the shell, watching it fall onto houses or factories and seeing the flames and plumes of smoke rise up and the ensuing panic and destruction below?
Behind me Carol announces that the Armistice Day “Celebrations” have already started wherever she is. I have no idea what anyone is celebrating on such a day. The end of war? Doesn’t feel like that.
Perhaps those in the Jewish faith can teach us a lesson with the day of Atonement? If ever there was a day that fitted “Atonement” then it is this– instead of what feels like a jingoistic hulaballoo with celebs and politicos jousting with each other for who has the biggest poppy contest.
AS I watch my newly turned 17 year old head out for his sixth year classes, I look at him and wonder who would be stupid enough to send a big geek like that out with a gun to fight a war? He can barely keep his room tidy, struggles to boil a kettle, doesn’t tie his own tie– which is ridiculous, and knows nothing of the responsibilities of having a job, a wife a family– he has a whole lifetime of growing up to do.
Who would send such a child off to war with a gun.
It is a stupid question because we all know the answer. To our eternal shame– we do!
Tom
‘Personal terms’ for a ‘1 month rolling contract’. Whit?
If that is true it is risible from every possible angle. We are no longer in the slow lane, we’ve gone into reverse.
Does he get a house? A parking space? One guaranteed haircut? What if he strains a muscle or breaks a stud? Will he have to learn the Celtic song?
Hail hail
Estadio
amadeus says:
11 November, 2011 at 09:28
Awfae news aboot the Titanic, is it no?
Nov 11 2011 Exclusive by Keith Jackson
Record Sport can reveal that although no date has been set officially, Monday December 19 has been pencilled in for the meeting at Glasgow’s Royal Concert Hall.
That would mean Whyte will have only three weeks left to make public the first set of accounts since buying Sir David Murray’s majority shareholding for £1 in May.
It’s understood the auditing process should be signed off in the next few days. If December 19 is confirmed Whyte will then have until November 28 to send the accounts to shareholders.
The meeting should provide much needed clarity on the financial health of a club that has been rocked by rumours of administration fot five years but has intensified throughout Whyte’s six months at the helm.
Whyte insists he has become the target of a malicious whispering campaign designed to blacken his name and undermine the SPL champions.
This week a longrunning £49million dispute with HMRC was reconvened in court, with a final decision expected in February or March.
Bravery of fallen heroes
By: Newsroom Staff on 11 Nov, 2011 08:11
TODAY Friday, November 11, marks the 93nd anniversary of the ending of the First World War. At 11 minutes past 11 on the 11th day of the 11th month, the guns finally fell silent after four years of bloody fighting which claimed the lives of over 16million people
It was a conflict which affected individuals, families, communities and organisations in every country caught up in the war, and Celtic Football Club was no different.
As the world was plunged into war in 1914, all aspects of life changed and as millions headed off to the Front, the Great War was to have its affect on Celtic and a number of its players.
As the war progressed the implications for the game were significant. Player salaries were reduced, employment in munitions factories on Saturdays resulted in a sharp fall in attendance, both by spectators and players and the pressure to complete the fixture card was significant.
Indeed, Celtic was forced to play two matches, against Raith Rovers and Motherwell, on the same day in 1916 in order to comply.
Football grounds were viewed as an ideal venue for recruitment drives and during one such event Celtic manager Willie Maley endorsed a mock trench warfare at Celtic Park designed to lure players and spectators alike to the Front.
Such drives had their successes and the supporters and officials of Hearts and Queen’s Park watched as their first team players enlisted almost en bloc. Whilst there wasn´t a mass exodus from Celtic, a number of players did enlist and sadly, some failed to return.
Willie Angus, John McLaughlin, Archie McMillan, Leigh Roose, Donnie McLeod, Robert Craig and Peter Johnstone all played on the field of Celtic Park and fought in the Great War and for their lives in the fields of France and Belguim.
The story of Willie Angus, a reserve team player at Celtic Park is quite astounding. Angus was awarded the Victoria Cross in 1915 for his incredible bravery in rescuing his wounded commanding officer.
Despite coming under heavy fire from the Germans in ´no man´s land´ near Givenchy in France, Angus risked his own life and was wounded over 40 times in the process.
As a result of the injuries he sustained Angus lost one eye and was invalided out of the army. On his return he maintained a close affinity to the Club and his bravery was officially acknowledged when a street in Carluke was named in his honour.
Welsh International goalkeeper Leigh Richmond Roose came to Celtic Park on loan from Sunderland in March of 1910. Securing his services at Celtic was the result of a somewhat bizarre deal.
Roose had tended the goal for the Wales v Scotland International at Rugby Park the previous week in a match which led to Jimmy McMenemy being injured as a result of some nasty play by Welshman Llewellyn Davies.
Thus when Celtic keeper Davy Adams was floored with pneumonia for the Scottish Cup semi against Clyde, it made perfect sense to secure the services of Roose as a form of compensation.
Unfortunately Roose, who was a doctor of bacteriology, failed to keep a clean sheet for his one appearance and Celtic lost the tie 3-1.
Roose was an extremely wealthy man, and a gentleman. Indeed, he apparently ran the length of the pitch to congratulate and shake the hand of the Clyde player who had scored the third goal and ousted Celtic out of the Cup.
Roose went on to play for Aston Villa and Arsenal before joining the 9th Royal Fusiliers in 1914. His repeated bravery led to the Military Medal in 1914. Sadly during the Battle for Montauban where hundreds lost their lives, Roose was pronounced missing in action, presumed dead on the 7th of October 1917. A dedication to his memory is inscribed on the Thiepval memorial.
Donnie McLeod signed for Celtic from Stenhousemuir on May 10, 1902. McLeod, dubbed ´Slasher´ due to his sheer speed and ability was a two-footed full back who was an instant hit with the Celtic support.
McLeod was an integral part of the side who kick-started the club´s unprecedented feat of six Championships in a row from 1904, and during his six-and-a-half years with the Celts he made 155 appearances.
McLeod´s partnership with Jimmy Weir was invincible and when he was transferred to Middlesborough in 1910 Weir followed him South to form a duo described as ´the most dogged, dour and fearless pair of backs in England.´
McLeod was in the 466th Battery of the 65th Royal Field Artillery and died in Belgium from injuries sustained in action on the 6th of October 1917. He is buried in the Dozinghem military cemetery in Poperinge in Belgium.
When Robert Craig arrived at Celtic Park he was the butt of a practical joke initiated by his new team mates. Signed from Vale of Garnock Strollers on the 10th of May 1906, Craig was convinced by his team mates that a large signing on fee was available and all he had to do was ask the rather stern Willie Maley.
Maley must have liked him as his petulance was rewarded with the acceptance of his signature and a three-year career with the Celts.
Craig spent most of his period farmed out on loan but did the business when it was required and in 13 first team appearances conducted himself well. Craig was recruited to the 5th Battalion of the South Wales Borderers and was wounded during a German attack on the town of Messines in Belgium.
He died from the injuries he sustained eight days later on April 19, 1918. He is buried in the Boulogne Eastern Cemetery.
Probably the best known Celt to have fallen in the Great War is centre-half and utility man, Peter Johnstone, who signed for Celtic on January 9, 1908. Johnstone made his debut in April the following year, the first appearance of 233 for the club. During this period Johnstone scored 19 goals.
Johnstone, a miner signed from Glencraig Celtic, was an idol of the Celtic faithful and was a deserved recipient of such accolade when he lifted his first Scottish Cup medal after the final with Clyde in 1912. In the same year he added another gong to his collection when Celtic met and beat Clyde in the Charity Cup final in an amazing tie that Celtic won by 7 corners to nil.
Johnstone was part of the infamous side who contested for the ´missing´ Ferencvaros Cup in Budapest against Burnley in 1914.
The game ended in a draw and it was reluctantly agreed that a return would be played in Burnley. Celtic won and the trophy never materialised but compensation was afforded to Johnstone and his team mates when they secured the Double in 1914.
Johnstone was eager to transfer from the field of play to the field of War, and was recruited to firstly the 14th Battalion of the Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders in 1916 and latterly the 6th Battalion of the Seaforth Highlanders. He initiated this move in order to secure quicker passage to the Front. Whilst eager to defend his country.
Johnstone was also always willing to assist the Celts and during his army training he travelled overnight from England to help his team-mates oust Rangers from the Glasgow Cup on September 23, 1916.
To the absolute shock of the Celtic faithful Johnstone lost his life during the Battle of Arras which was fought on the 15-16th of May 1917. A Celtic Legend, Johnstone´s death was a huge loss to Celtic Football Club. A dedication to his memory is inscribed on Bay 8 of the Arras Memorial in the Fauborg d´Amiens Cemetery.
Celtic´s reserve side was also depleted due to the impact of the Great War and the following players also lost their lives. The list is not exhaustive.
Reserve team player John McLaughlin, whose previous career spanned periods with Mossend, Hibs and Renton was killed in action on May 10, 1917. McLaughlin, who served in the 11th Battalion of the Highland Light Infantry, is buried in the Etaples Military Cemetery.
Fellow reserve player Archie McMillan died of his injuries between the period of the 21st and the 23rd of November of the same year during an attempt to capture the village of Fontaine Notre-Dame in Northern France.
McMillan and 8 of his regiment lost their lives in what was a successful mission. He is buried in the Rocquigny-Equancort Rd British Cemetery, Manancourt.
On this day, where pausing for reflection is the tradition, we should perhaps take a few moments to remember the Celtic legends who were so greatly affected by the horror of war.
The Battered Bunnet says:
11 November, 2011 at 09:31
‘Once they deny a story, I know it’s true’
Richard Ingrams
TBB
Phil didn’t start a debate. He started a unanimous attack on the Celtic board on the basis that what was written was ‘the word’. If it was intended to do that then it was irresponsible and could prove a bit of a watershed in how he is regarded. I find that sad.
If Keevins/Traynor etc had penned it this blog would have been up to high doh with affront.
I doubt if I will bother again with anything he writes.
It would be like giving Dougie McDonald another chance. Harsh? Aye, but I get the feeling that we were manipulated, and that is unacceptable.
Hail hail
Estadio
jimmci says:
11 November, 2011 at 09:17
RE Phil’s “Done deal article….
I think Phil is in serious danger of undermining himself and his blog’s integrity.
He posted the “done deal” article on Tuesday and within one hour there was a relative explosion on comment from readers with 27 comments added. Since that hour NOTHING.
I know I have since added two comments. one of which is still in “moderation”, the other has disappeared…A few others I posted on different topics never saw the light of day.
Now I am a great fan of Phil and he has brought us some brilliant exclusives which, without him, would never have seen the light of day.
Moderating, without due cause, will allow people who are already very anti-Phil, to have an easy pop at his integrity, motives, etc,etc.
Anyone share my views or know what’s going on?
Better still, Phil, you read CQN.Maybe you could enlighten us. Has there been another server attack for instance?
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Just a thought or 3.
Didn’t Phil intimate a few weeks ago he had a big story regarding the internal workings of Celtic he was about to divulge? For that he would have needed someone on the inside leaking information.
Is it then feasible his inside man was set up and fed a line which he leaked to Phil which he ran with…..therefore exposing said inside man to the powers that be….and at the same time using Phil to inadvertently do the work of the Board which they could not be seen to be doing themselves?
Or perhaps he was complicit in the whole thing which I wouldn’t think so.
If someone on the inside at Celtic moves on unexpectedly in the near future I think that will tell a tale.
We live in interesting times
It’s Friday so there must be an admin rumour surely?
At least give us something to brighten up a dull international break
Is it still o.k. To use five bar gates on 111111?
My alter ego tells me to put the auld Champers away, the royal true blues (tax exempt) will indeed rise like a phoenix from the depths of orcdome (copyright me), apparently theres a long line of erm brand new Libyan oil magnets, who Are desperate to bolster the official (really that’s what I was told) and strengthen the Protestant supremacy within the scottish football institutions.
Nothing to see timmy move on…. And don’t mention the deliberate 11 year tax avoidance scam… Hoops Erm scheme!
Did I already say….. Happy Friday CQN’ers!
V
Estadio –
I assume he will be offered a weekly wage and win bonuses etc, or does a rolling contract entitle the club not to have to bother paying the player?
The season has only 7 months to run, so presumably, if he excels during that time, he would expect a more permanent contract come June 2012.
SIDNEY TIM 0259
Now you tell me!
WTF am I supposed to get you for your Christmas now?
Gordon
Thanks. I thought it was Thursday. Friday…great. The weekend starts now……who will I share breakfast with today ……Andrea Bocelli beckons.
I notice that the weather forecast is for rising temperatures over the next week or so. Thank God for that…time to throw off the simmet and long johns!…..It was a horrendous winter.
Hail Hail
Estadio
Gordon J
Working on that pal, hail hail to ye!
Ps did ye manage to find the Ramie meet up photos?
V
tomtheleedstim says:
11 November, 2011 at 09:00
Good morning Tom, bright eyed and bushy tailed ?
Thoroughly enjoyed last night, all the best to uncle John, hope he managed to get his loaf ?
HH
Estadio says:
11 November, 2011 at 09:39
Spot on. Which is why I came on to CQN and questioned Phil’s logic at the time.
Will Ranger list any of their players who went away to war?
Just checked, nope, but then since they nearly all amazingly got offered part time jobs in the Shipyards the evenig war broke out thats not a suprise.
BRTH
11th of November, at 09:32
Stunning post!
Awe_Naw_No_Annoni_Oan_Anaw_Noo says:
11 November, 2011 at 09:37
It’s estimated that during WWI 500,000 men were persuaded to join up through football related recruitment drives like the one you mentioned.
It’s not known how many were killed or maimed.
On reflection it might have been better if football clubs, including Celtic, hadn’t allowed themselves to be used in this way, or encouraged their supporters to become canon fodder.
greenjedi at 09:55
No but no doubt they will put on a sentimental story on their website asking for donations to the Poppy Appeal.
Mort
Paddy G sent you an electronic version of mail.
V
I reckon that Phil´s close source is a bluenose.
I believe the bluenose.
Far too many smoking guns including this sites content and more importantly the timing of articles which arouses my suspicions.
I am also a little disappointed that Steven Craven seems to have slipped of our radar. He seems an honourable man to me who started the snow ball rolling down the hill. The question is has the snow ball ran its course and has it in fact completely melted ?
Considering the catalyst affect that Steven Craven had on supposed modernisation lets be honest we have yet to see anything worthy of note within the SFA he seems to have slipped of our radar.
Or as he ?
Certainly Phil , Paul67 or any other Celtic friendly media outlet hasn´t gone there ? Yet ??? we shall see.
Is Steven Craven being used via his lawyer Paul Mc Bride to keep the leash tight indirectly on behalf of Celtic and modernisation ? The timing of his appeal stinks of that but I am sure it will be passed off as coincidence.
That the focus seems to have been trained on poppies rather than picking up the Steven Craven story and its implications is a GLARING omission considering last years campaign.
I think we witnessing the Celtic hierarchy playing things very cagey and why friends close to Celtic do not want to be seen upsetting any apple carts and I include Neil Lennon in this.
When Celtic news management becomes so belligerent ambiguous and indirect you can bet your last penny unless you have just landed on planet earth that the Celtic PLC are up to no good and there is a conflict of interests between what we want and what they want.
I would imagine that is why our News management seems a bit toothless to me at the moment.
As always far more questions than easily given answers. If that doesn´t raise your suspicion then it is time to reveal your an alien.
Hail Hail
I find it very difficult to equate the calls for the Celtic board to make sure they vote against Rangers if and when the day arrives, with the criticism Dr John Reid received on CQN for his “Holy Willies” AGM attack on the Govan mob.
Ernie
agreed.
Hail Hail
Vmhan,
Not yet – will have another look today
Re Phil’s controversial post the other day.
Maybe he got it wrong,maybe his source has been set up,maybe he was actually right.
Who knows,as the article itself was about a hypothetical reaction from the club to a hypothetical situation.
One thing I do know,though.
As a result of Phil’s article,I now know where the board stand on appropriate punishment for Rangers,and I certainly did NOT know that before.
So,as far as I’m concerned……..
WELL DONE,PHIL!