The potential scenario of a Scottish Premier League club going out of business, becoming an ex-club, has played out in several places since we discussed it last month. As a result, we have all had an opportunity to establish our views on the matter, what would and would not be an acceptable reaction by the league and SFA.
The first ‘insolvency event’ of a failing club is likely to be the appointment of an administrator to protect the company from immediate creditors. This would draw a 10 point penalty. The choice of the administrator for a football club could be a controversial subject, especially if some creditors stand to lose a considerable amount of money through any rushed deal. For example, although Rangers have a considerable potential liability to HMRC hanging over them, their creditors might feel that a period of administration stretching several years into the future would enable all debts to be paid in full, a position not all administrators would necessarily agree with.
It’s normal for directors to appoint an administrator prior to a creditor getting to court but if creditors don’t feel the appointment is likely to serve their best interests they can apply to appoint their own. These battles can get acrimonious.
In the days after an administrator is appointed the club may not be in a position to fulfil its fixtures. When Gretna’s administrator informed the Scottish Football League they could not guarantee they would be able to fulfil the following season’s fixtures the league relegated them two divisions, to the bottom rung of the league structure. This proved to be a temporary position before the administrator admitted defeat and folded the company. Precedent suggests we should look out for a double relegation if a club in administration has to tell the league they cannot fulfil fixtures.
There is no point waiting until a well-organised administrator presents a fait accompli to the league before we look for precedents and debate an appropriate response. For the integrity of the Scottish game, football fans need to be ready for this debate. Where possibly, colours should be pinned to the mast.
One outcome of the online debate in the last couple of days (thanks to untiring work of our friend Phil) is that Celtic were forced to consider this question. I sought and received assurances that they will not vote to admonish owners of an ex-football club with a paltry point penalty, allowing them to reform as though nothing happened the following season.
The question is still-hypothetical, so clubs are not in a position to comment officially yet, but we are in a healthier position for the debate and should encourage high profile supporters of other clubs to engage the debate as some from our own club have recently.
Fans Against Criminalisation are holding a pubic meeting on Saturday, 12 November, at Whitehill Secondary School, 280 Onslow Drive, Denniston, with Michael McMahon, MSP, among others, speaking. Try to make it along to support this important initiative before you are criminalised by a combination of stealth and apathy.
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Tom
your moronic comments are now bordering on the retarded. If that´s the best you can come up with as one Tim to another I think you are doing us a dis service but hey what´s new there ? I would prefer a sewing bee with TET and Canamalar than your lonely multi personality back slapping efforts to cure your loneliness and low self esteem. Is Tom Mc Laughlin your last reincarnation. Stick to ignoring me no matter how desperate you are to catch my attention. I do dislike it when you mention anything to do with needles even knitting ones.
Hail Hail
What age was Lubo when we signed him?
p
Awe Naw
That’s my point, by supporting the OF brand they are condoning sectarianisism.
TET
Agreed and by accepting our role as the submissive beaten up partner. Historically they OUR CUSTODIANS will leave us looking like we enjoyed our beatings and humiliations. I am really looking forward to the NEWS management initiatives on how OF is absolutely necessary when push comes to shove. Our initiation embracing and participation in the new sectarian legislation tells anyone that we are a mover and player in maintaining the Old Firm experience rather than slitting it’s throat.
Hail Hail
Awe Naw
Aye, needle on the head.
Laters bhoys, things to do…………..and little time to do them.
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Kenny Dalglish: Don’t watch Liverpool play at Chelsea
By PHIL THOMAS
Published: Today
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KENNY DALGLISH has amazingly told Liverpool fans NOT to buy tickets for the Carling Cup clash with Chelsea.
The angry Kop boss is ready to play kids in the quarter-final on November 29 in protest at the scheduling.
It is just 48 hours after Liverpool’s Prem crunch with Manchester City.
Dalglish said: “It is disgraceful in this day and age players are being asked to play a key Premier League game on Sunday and then a League Cup quarter-final in London just 48 hours later.
“If the Football League want to devalue their own competition, it’s up to them.
“But they shouldn’t be upset if people use these games to help in the development of young players.
“The one thing I will say to our fans is to think carefully before buying tickets for the League Cup game.
“We do not want them spending their money and then we decide there is no other option but to use only young players.
“It’s understandable, with the Spurs v PAOK Salonika match and the TUC rally, that the Metropolitan Police have said our game cannot be played on the Wednesday.
“But it’s surely the duty of the football authorities to think of other solutions which consider the welfare of the players — and this clearly hasn’t happened.
“City are in a similar position to us with their game at Arsenal.
“Here you have two clubs who have treated this competition with the utmost respect over the years and they are being treated like this.
“I’d be interested to know what the sponsors think of the situation and what it does for the reputation of the competition.
“It seems irresponsible the quarter-finals are scheduled in the same week as Europa League games.
“Both ourselves and City were happy for the League game to be moved back to the Saturday. But we are told this is not possible either for TV reasons.”
A Football League spokesman said: “Despite extensive efforts, no alternative solution acceptable to all parties could be found.”
Liverpool vice-captain Jamie Carragher expects to return to full training next week after missing two games with a calf injury.
Summa
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Kenny Dalglish: Don’t watch Liverpool play at Chelsea..
KENNY DALGLISH has amazingly told Liverpool fans NOT to buy tickets for the Carling Cup clash with Chelsea.
The angry Kop boss is ready to play kids in the quarter-final on November 29 in protest at the scheduling.
It is just 48 hours after Liverpool’s Prem crunch with Manchester City.
Dalglish said: “It is disgraceful in this day and age players are being asked to play a key Premier League game on Sunday and then a League Cup quarter-final in London just 48 hours later.
“If the Football League want to devalue their own competition, it’s up to them.
“But they shouldn’t be upset if people use these games to help in the development of young players.
“The one thing I will say to our fans is to think carefully before buying tickets for the League Cup game.
“We do not want them spending their money and then we decide there is no other option but to use only young players.
“It’s understandable, with the Spurs v PAOK Salonika match and the TUC rally, that the Metropolitan Police have said our game cannot be played on the Wednesday.
“But it’s surely the duty of the football authorities to think of other solutions which consider the welfare of the players — and this clearly hasn’t happened.
“City are in a similar position to us with their game at Arsenal.
“Here you have two clubs who have treated this competition with the utmost respect over the years and they are being treated like this.
“I’d be interested to know what the sponsors think of the situation and what it does for the reputation of the competition.
“It seems irresponsible the quarter-finals are scheduled in the same week as Europa League games.
“Both ourselves and City were happy for the League game to be moved back to the Saturday. But we are told this is not possible either for TV reasons.”
A Football League spokesman said: “Despite extensive efforts, no alternative solution acceptable to all parties could be found.”
Liverpool vice-captain Jamie Carragher expects to return to full training next week after missing two games with a calf injury.
Summa
Who is going to spend hundreds of pounds to being associated with Ibrox stadium and Court Case FC ?
Another red herring in the press today ??? mmmhhh why ?
Hail Hail
Summa
Saw that earlier. A bit rich coming from Liverpool who have no European games to play this season so can hardly have been overstretched.
Mort
Any far eastern Celts on?
Just discovered UAE v South Korea is on not far from here in an hour, Ki still an injury doubt but wondering what the chances are he might play?
Awe_Naw_No_Annoni_Oan_Anaw_Noo says:
11 November, 2011 at 11:25
Who is going to spend HUNDREDS of pounds to being associated with Ibrox stadium and Court Case FC ?
Hehe
Just a thought a friend put to me last night, that even in financial terms (assuming that is the only framework the board think in) having Rangers start at the bottom of the league so that we (hopefully) win it for at least 3 seasons makes much more financial sense than having them reappear in the same place. During those 3+ seasons we would generate not only prize money but also be able to sell on players who we’ve always kept hold of out of fear that the league was going to be so tight.
Is it true that Rangers trialist Sunil Chhetri plays for Indian club Nohun Bagan?
Fassreifen at 11:34
There are pros and cons. Those you suggested are certainly pros. On the other side, there may be the toughts that not having Rangers in the SPL for 3+ years will bring a decrease to our income.
e.g. the possibility that some season ticket holders won’t renew as there will be no problem getting tickets for any game and therefore they will pick and choose what ones to go for bringing an overall reduction to attendances;
TV money might be also cut bringing less revenue and potential prize money.
Neither of these reasons would be substansial enough for me to decide to keep Rangers in the league (if possible) but will have to be considered by the board.
Mort
the home uefa cup match v Ath Mad is on a Wednesday at 18:00.
p
The Battered Bunnet at 11:37
We were linked with him a couple of years ago as were QPR but QPR were unable to get a work permit for him from the UK Government.
Mort
If the huns are allowed to stay in the SPL but are excluded from Europe, does another team take their place, or does it go to a team from another country?
Mort, good points. I have a gut feeling the relegation plan would make us more money than it would lose, though it might need someone better than me at maths and economics to work out the likely scenarios.
Ernie
would that not depend on how it affects the Countries UEFA coefficient ?
Hail Hail
Sutton,Hartson,n Lubo to name a few who took a lot of years to find their true calling,let’s hope Zenden is the same(even if he did only cost the train fare).
Fassreifen at 11:50
I agree with you.
The other thing the club will now have to factor in is what impact there will be in terms of attendances etc if the club aquiesce to a plan to allow Rangers back into the SPL with minimal punishment.
They can’t have failed to notice the outrage following Phil’s article earlier in the week.
Mort
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Mort..
Agree..Kenny should stick to Managing the team..
Summa
Mort says:
11 November, 2011 at 11:42
Fassreifen at 11:34
With almost guaranteed entry to the Champions route to the Champions League for 4 seasons remember (Next season plus 3 minimum) we should expect to gain at least 2 qualifications to the group stages. That should be worth at least £30m to us. We would be in a better financial footnig than just now and we could blood some new talent without every game being a must win situation.
ernie lynch says:
11 November, 2011 at 11:49
if any team is banned from europe for whatever reason, there place, shuold they have qualified, goes to another team from their country
I got a letter from HMRC this morning.
“Oh Oh”, I thought.
Dear Iki,
You have paid too much tax and here is a cheque for £2000,
Please accept our apologies but we have been rather stretched trying to get some money out of that shower over at The Reformation Stadium.”
Yours etc
Now what treat will I buy? No suggestions required.
Kayal33 says:
11 November, 2011 at 11:54
‘if any team is banned from europe for whatever reason, there place, shuold they have qualified, goes to another team from their country’
That would be an incentive for some teams to vote in favour of newco huns being allowed to stay in the SPL.
Which is why I asked the question.
UEFA: Mallorca a ‘turning point’ for club finances
Posted 8/6/2010 4:22 PM | Comment | Recommend E-mail | Print |
By Graham Dunbar, AP Sports Writer
NYON, Switzerland — Mallorca’s exclusion from the Europa League on financial grounds could be a turning point in UEFA’s campaign to control clubs’ overspending on players, general secretary Gianni Infantino said Friday.
Infantino told The Associated Press that the Spanish club’s case shows the effectiveness of UEFA’s new financial fair play rules and the expert panel it created to monitor clubs.
“This is the message the Club Financial Control Panel is working,” Infantino said of the independent body chaired by former Belgian Prime Minister Jean-Luc Dehaene. “This is the first case where they are doing exactly what they have been set up for.”
Infantino accepted that Mallorca fans were upset because their club was banned. It qualified for the Europa League with a fifth-place finish in the Spanish league then went into financial administration with reported debts of euro60 million ($79 million).
“For all the fans of all the other clubs, it should be a good signal that we don’t refrain from taking our responsibilities,” Infantino said.
Mallorca decided on Friday to appeal its exclusion from the competition to local Spanish courts rather than the Court of Arbitration for Sport.
Its place in Friday’s draw for the Europa League playoff round was taken by seventh-place Villarreal, which was listed with an asterisk next to its name for the first leg match against Dnepr Mogilev of Belarus on Aug. 19.
Infantino said UEFA’s financial fair play campaign urging clubs to spend only what they earn from football-related business was now accepted by clubs, leagues and politicians at the European Union.
It was driven forward by UEFA president Michel Platini, who feared that clubs’ spending on buying and paying players was spiraling out of control.
Platini described high spending to chase success as a form of cheating, and feared some clubs would collapse under the weight of debt if banks or wealthy owners withdrew support.
UEFA unveiled rules in May that will limit clubs’ spending from 2012, or face exclusion from future Champions League and Europa League competitions.
However, the European authority said its expert panel would immediately begin monitoring clubs’ excesses. Dehaene’s team advised the UEFA disciplinary body before it officially issued Mallorca’s ban.
“If you have rules you don’t just hang them there in a nice frame. But to do your job and to act,” Infantino said. “This is only fair toward everyone who has complied with the rules.”
Depending the appeal, Mallorca could become the fifth club denied entry to this season’s UEFA competitions despite qualifying through results on the field. The others were Portsmouth (England), Cork City (Ireland), Lokomotiv Astana (Kazakhstan) and Vetra (Lithuania).
Infantino said UEFA had a simple message.
“You qualified exactly in a way which is not fair and that we don’t accept,” he said.
Voguepunter’s late today…………
podiumchasercsc
McNair at 11:53
It seems a no-brainer. I’m sure there will be people at the club who will be looking at all the possible permutations, working out best case and worst case scenarios.
Even in the very worst case scenario, I still can’t see how we would lose money by them not being in the SPL for a couple of years.
Mort
ernie lynch at 11:57
That would be an incentive for some teams to vote in favour of newco huns being allowed to stay in the SPL.
Can’t really see how that would make much of a difference. Surely any team who would benefit from them not getting a European place would also benefit from them not being in the league.
Mort
I’d doubt any other team other than us would get the euro spot with the huns barred.
Ernie
Surely though, should the huns be forced to re enter, say in division 3, then those clubs have the opportunity to quality for Europe from their own merits?
TBB @ 11:37
If they sign Chhetri and play a friendly against his team as part of the deal, will there be Nohuns at Ibrox ?
Awe_Naw_No_Annoni_Oan_Anaw_Noo says:
11 November, 2011 at 11:06
Tom
your moronic comments are now bordering on the retarded.
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That’s just not true and I think you know it. Why the attack-dog response to a bit of fun?
!!Bada Bing!! says:
11 November, 2011 at 11:59
I am here!
TBB
Imagine the 2 clubs had a link up, you could maybe buy a scarf with Ratners and Nohun on it ? Is wee Craigy Whyte thinking outside the box again alternative income streams ?
Lennon n Mc….Mjallby says:
11 November, 2011 at 12:02
I’d doubt any other team other than us would get the euro spot with the huns barred.
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If you assume ourselves and the huns always get 2 of the 4 european places that means 2 go to the diddy clubs. with the huns banned another diddy club get a shot a glory as well.
fritzsong says:
11 November, 2011 at 12:05
It is pantomime season already ? thought it had a few weeks to go ?
What do you know anyway?
Come on spill ? I bet you dont but I am up for laugh ? you ?
HAil Hail