The potential scenario of a Scottish Premier League club going out of business, becoming an ex-club, has played out in several places since we discussed it last month. As a result, we have all had an opportunity to establish our views on the matter, what would and would not be an acceptable reaction by the league and SFA.
The first ‘insolvency event’ of a failing club is likely to be the appointment of an administrator to protect the company from immediate creditors. This would draw a 10 point penalty. The choice of the administrator for a football club could be a controversial subject, especially if some creditors stand to lose a considerable amount of money through any rushed deal. For example, although Rangers have a considerable potential liability to HMRC hanging over them, their creditors might feel that a period of administration stretching several years into the future would enable all debts to be paid in full, a position not all administrators would necessarily agree with.
It’s normal for directors to appoint an administrator prior to a creditor getting to court but if creditors don’t feel the appointment is likely to serve their best interests they can apply to appoint their own. These battles can get acrimonious.
In the days after an administrator is appointed the club may not be in a position to fulfil its fixtures. When Gretna’s administrator informed the Scottish Football League they could not guarantee they would be able to fulfil the following season’s fixtures the league relegated them two divisions, to the bottom rung of the league structure. This proved to be a temporary position before the administrator admitted defeat and folded the company. Precedent suggests we should look out for a double relegation if a club in administration has to tell the league they cannot fulfil fixtures.
There is no point waiting until a well-organised administrator presents a fait accompli to the league before we look for precedents and debate an appropriate response. For the integrity of the Scottish game, football fans need to be ready for this debate. Where possibly, colours should be pinned to the mast.
One outcome of the online debate in the last couple of days (thanks to untiring work of our friend Phil) is that Celtic were forced to consider this question. I sought and received assurances that they will not vote to admonish owners of an ex-football club with a paltry point penalty, allowing them to reform as though nothing happened the following season.
The question is still-hypothetical, so clubs are not in a position to comment officially yet, but we are in a healthier position for the debate and should encourage high profile supporters of other clubs to engage the debate as some from our own club have recently.
Fans Against Criminalisation are holding a pubic meeting on Saturday, 12 November, at Whitehill Secondary School, 280 Onslow Drive, Denniston, with Michael McMahon, MSP, among others, speaking. Try to make it along to support this important initiative before you are criminalised by a combination of stealth and apathy.
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stebhoy
10 November, 2011 at 19:00 cheers.
Last April it wis rumoured that richmond would lose his grade wan status cause he missed a blatant handball in a game involving stmirren an st johnstone,
nov 2010 he spoke out during the dougiegate fiasco saying that dougie lie would hinder relationships between officials and managers,
Ah no no to criticise a fellow ref an he disappeared last season.
Fast forward to Sunday charlie come in from the cold why dont ya,Neils’s neck is oan the line dae the needful an yae can come back tae the fold.
Estadio Nacional,Jobo Balde thanks.
Hi Terry,
Glad I caught your call to Snyde. Did you — or anyone else — find the document they referred to where Regan gave reason for the Euro license being granted. Did a google search but don’t see nowt.
HH
Moonbeams WD. \o/ Supporting Neil Lennon 100%. C’mon the hoops. says:
10 November, 2011 at 08:27
Macjay1
Anyone who acts like that has no knowledge or feeling for the ethos of our club. They should be made unwelcome.
MWD
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Missed your reply.
Now early morn.in Oz.
I presume you are speaking of those who insulted the lady wearing the poppy.
If so,I couldn`t agree more.
Quintessential TaxDodgers
10 November, 2011 at 19:25
Haven’t seen it ,given the amount of interest ah doubt it exists otherwise somebody would have seen it (other than doomsday darryl)
an posted it.
Quintessential TaxDodgers says:
10 November, 2011 at 19:25
Hi Terry,
Glad I caught your call to Snyde. Did you — or anyone else — find the document they referred to where Regan gave reason for the Euro license being granted. Did a google search but don’t see nowt.
HH
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The Regan letter AND the questions it raises is in the article at
http://celticunderground.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=787:did-the-sfa-deny-celtic-a-place-in-the-champions-league&catid=47:season-2011-2012&Itemid=83
Auld Neil Lennon heid says:
10 November, 2011 at 19:31
check yer e mail ;0
Terry/Auldheid
Much obliged. Thanks
TerryONeill Neil ah love yae says
Well done Terry, more power to your call-in elbow. Keep on keeping on.
And Daryll really is a smelly wee baw bag.
Nuclear Bovril and a Half Munched Pie
10 November, 2011 at 19:35
Slainte, that made me laugh.
Hun on Clyde there reckons HMRC shouldn’t be picking on the huns.
They should be looking at clubs all across Europe.
is that young boy still on trial at lennoxtown forgot his name .i think he was on both arsneal and tottenham books ,but lenny said he a few issues on a personal thing ,but said he was very impressed with what he seen .is there any info about him and zenden
ernie lynch says:
10 November, 2011 at 19:42
Hun on Clyde there reckons HMRC shouldn’t be picking on the huns.
They should be looking at clubs all across Europe.
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You couldnae make it up…..
I came across a quote from Allan Greenspan this morning in reference to the banks being too big to fail, which is really what the argument to allow Rangers newco into the SPL boils down to. He said, “If they are too big to fail, then they are too big.”
This just perfectly sums up the Rangers situation. They ARE too big. Everyone in Scottish football outside of Celtic is absolutely in thrall to them, mostly because they feel a cultural affiliation with them.
This has for years compromised the integrity of the game in Scotland, with the rules that apply to everyone else being bent out of shape to accomodate their wants and needs. Allowing them to parachute into the SPL will destroy what little credibilty it still has.
Rangers are too big to be allowed to continue in Scottish football.
Auld Neil Lennon
10 November, 2011 at 19:31
Forgot tae acknowledge your great work on CelticUnderground av always loved asking awkward questions an so dae you.
If it wer not for the digging that you an Phil an the guys at rangerstaxcase ad be in the dark.
Keep it up.
timbhoy2 says:
10 November, 2011 at 19:43
The player is Andre Blackman.
Haven’t seen anything offical but Wikipedia has him signed so obviously sinlglefish!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andre_Blackman
HH
/Bishop B
The Hun on Clyde gives me the impression that he maybe considering suicide if the Huns go to the wall.
They will all meet up at Poundland and a mass exit of this world maybe on the cards. ;)
Crime channel Virgin 237 At 20.00 The Northern Bank Robbery
The Legend Johnny Doyle says:
10 November, 2011 at 19:53
Or perhaps a Waco like seige with Whyte as David Koresh. Unlikely though, he no doubt has the private plane / go kart on stand by
What with the Christine Graham revelations, this must be the day for outing the sordid secrets of prominent Scottish Politicians.
On Radio Shortbread this morning, Stuart Cosgrove outed the new Scots Tory Leader and K.D. Lang impersonator, Ruth Davidson, as the daughter of, none other than, R.H.Davidson of “never awarded a pen. against the Gers at Ibrox” fame.
What next?
Ian Gray is the brother of Les Gray fae the Polis federation???
Willie Rennie is a descendant of the house of Orange???
We may not have a friend in Scottish politics?
TerryONeill Neil 19:21
Well said tonight. It was a strange decision, strange how these referees turn up for certain fixtures. Craig Thompson keeps getting swinecastle despite his mistakes
From the game we won 2-4 but Rihmond was similar that day, calling full time when Fortuné was attacking was another example of his wish to impress the SFA.
Richmond previous at Fir Park
EN
hey, not sure if anyones already mentioned this, but have you seen the hun supporters ‘gerspride’ trust guest speaker at ibrox this saturday night? see the link and go 3/4 down the page. Looks like they are being prepped after all!
http://www.rangerssupporterstrust.co.uk/rstsite/
Auld Heid…
I’m just in……..what’s happening ?…..TICK TOCK…!!
ernie lynch says:
10 November, 2011 at 19:42
Hun on Clyde there reckons HMRC shouldn’t be picking on the huns.
They should be looking at clubs all across Europe.
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Did he really say that?
So the hun thinks the UK tax agency should be investigating the tax affairs of teams in OTHER COUNTRIES. Like those countries don’t have their own inland revenue equivalents?
They are hunbelievable.
John….good point…think that may be why he ring-fenced a %age of the season ticket money….??
Mr X ,,,,Ernie…….think he was actually talking about racism……LOL…….Chelsea (Terry) get away with it but rankers don’t, cause we’re a wee country….!!!!!!!
lEN BREENAN THANKS I Know lenny was impressed with him .so i expect we will here something to-morrow as they will decide on zenden as to give him a contract or not.
Evening bhoys, every day hun free bliss.
Saw this on rtc, if this is correct this is breaking the rules big time is it not.
King repeated on Clyde tonight that the players had 2 contracts and he has seen some of them! He also said they have letters from RFC stating they will have no tax to pay on one of the contracts!
BANKIE BOHY R I P Big Jackie Morrison hellava disease cancer.
Estadio Nacional
10 November, 2011 at 20:03
richmond has previous coupla seasons back we beat hibs at easter rd hibs committed 26 fouls.
Anyway the headlines wer ripped up for another week,as Alan Thomson said we played like men,an in the end we triumphed.
Slainte.
bankie
Just read back, condolences mi amigo, never a good time to lose a friend, at least he has gone to a better place.
Nuclear Bovril and a Half Munched Pie says:
10 November, 2011 at 19:59
And with Mordor in full flame, a last chant of “WEE WERRA PEEPUL” is heard across a black smoke-filled mordor sky, the new morning revealing the smouldering ruin of their treacherous past.
TLJD
TICK TOCK.??????……ANOTHER POSTER POINTED US TO THIS EARLIER
GERSPRIDE Conference 2011
Saturday 12th November 2011, Ibrox Suite, Ibrox Stadium
The Rangers Supporters Trust is delighted to announce our GersPride Conference will be held within the Ibrox Suite at Ibrox Stadium on Saturday 12th November 2011 starting at noon
The Conference is open to all members of the Rangers Family and provides a much-needed space for fans to debate and explore all the issues around Rangers; about being a football supporter in the 21st Century, and tackling such thorny issues as the media and fans representation and ownership.
SPEAKERS CONFIRMED:-
Fraser MacDonald, Dundee FC Supporters Trust – What Administration Means For Fans and a Football Club
Doctor Stuart Waiton, Take A Liberty Scotland – The campaign against the Offensive Behaviour at Football and Threatening Communications (Scotland) Bill
Professor Graham Walker, Queens University, Belfast – Writing About Rangers
Interest in this event is likely to be extremely high so please book now. Tickets are priced at £5 each.
R H Davidson was he not from Airdrie,dont give a goal never mind a penalty to THEM definately a rave from the grave that one,bad Memories,1970 Scottish cup final Against Aberdeen disallowed a goal for us,Bobby Lennox not for first time onside goal chalked off Aberdeen won 3-1.i think a guy called Mckay scored Aberdeens goals he disappeared after that as quick as he Arrived
setting free the bears says:
10 November, 2011 at 20:02
Ian Gray is the brother of Les Gray fae the Polis federation???
wis he no the singer wi’ showaddywaddy
Dick Turpin’s XI are on the way to the gallows, the newco will have to be elected to the bottom of the third division. Keevins et al will be finding themselves in parts of Scotland they’ve only read about, the spl will have a toxic p
entity removed. Football will be the winner!
Raffles won’t be able to sign a donkey wearing diving boots and the temple of doom will fall into disrepair, poppies will grow between the seats.
setting free the bears says:
10 November, 2011 at 20:02
Walter Smith and Iain Duncan Smith are twins who were separated at birth.
David Cameron is Andy Cameron’s nephew.
David Davies and Steven Davis are not related but are both quite annoying
fourstonecoppi
Wasn’t he Mud’s lead singer?
Timquinny
I need to go along to that one to find out what’ll happen to them.
‘What Administration Means For Fans and a Football Club’