Could Dunfermline vote itself to be relegated?


Positions are already being adopted for the anticipated Scottish Premier League vote on whether or not to vote a Rangers Newco FC into the SPL in the event Rangers go out of business in the coming weeks.  Financial self-interest may determine how votes are cast.  First to show on leaving the SPL meeting yesterday was Dunfermline chairman, John Yorkston, who shopped short of saying he objected to Rangers Newco being invited into the league, but did say: “As we speak today, if [Rangers] come out of administration I personally feel it’s a clean slate job. If it’s liquidation, it’s a completely different kettle of fish.”

Dunfermline, of course, are hot favourites to be relegated from the SPL this season but if a club above them failed to pay their taxes and went out of business the Fife club would remain in the SPL.  Even John Yorkston would find voting Rangers Newco into the league instead of his own team would be “an awkward one”.

Put the moral argument aside.  Forget about the consequences of setting an irresponsible precedent, hard cash might be enough to have Dunfermline join Celtic and vote against Rangers Newco. The Dunfermline fans would surely never forgive their board for voting themselves to be relegated?

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    From previous….



    An interesting wee aside in Jabba’s article in today’s Record.



    Seems that D&P ran the players’ offer of a 75% wage deferral past HMRC.



    HMRC didn’t particularly object,not as such.



    They merely pointed out that they still expected tax to be paid on the FULL wages amount!




  2. West Wales Celt on

    Is this finally cost reduction day?


    Dithering, dithering, dithering…


    Say your teary ta ta’s and let the axe fall…

  3. Morning Paul.



    If Mr Yorkston’s past comments and actions are anything to go by then i’d put nothing past him. Do you feel we would be dependant on that vote or do you think others are, if not on our side, at least keen to see integrity play its part in Scottish Football?

  4. jock steins celtic on

    Can’t see a Newco being up and running for there to be a vote on it anyway.



    If there was a Newco vote, would we be relying only on Dunfermline ? Wouldn’t there be others who would vote against ?

  5. greenmaestro on

    I just spend ages typing this on the last thread, so for all who missed it ..






    1. hooptimist on 6 March, 2012 at 09:17 said:


    I didn’t watch, and I won’t watch the debate tonight. As far as I am concerned Jabab has an agenda and I’ve heard enough of his rants to know his opinion. Any programme that he fronts will only be put together to reinforce his view on Scottish football. I rarely (if ever, not that I recall anyway) agree with him, so I tuned into embarrassing bodies on c4+1 only to find it was a medical programme an nothing to do with rangers fans.


    I think we could have learned from the English. Their old 1st division was not working so they decided on a new format and after much discussion came up with the EPL, which in fact was identical to the old 1st division. The difference seems to be that everyone now said how great this was, and all players, managers, pundits and journo’s down south just kept saying it was great (often ignoring facts), in the end it improved, because by continually talking it up they attracted better sponsorship and TV coverage, whether that turns out in the end to be a financial bubble that will eventually burst is another argument. Back to my point, too many in Scotland simply talk the game down. No wonder crowds are falling an no wonder the sponsorship and TV revenue is so poor by comparison to our neighbors.


    There is too much micro management and reaction to every single negative event in isolation, so we spend our time reacting and fire fighting, instead of sticking to a long term strategy and looking at long term trends. Also evidence is often conflicting comparing the national team with clubs performances in European competitions, can give mixed views.


    Jabba and his ilk are complicit in the problem they say they want to address. I say don’t give them the oxygen they crave.

  6. I’m sure somebody else has asked this by now and if they have I haven’t seen a reply so… does anybody think that HMRC (and others) will get their noses out of joint being in the position they are in re Rangers and monies owed – and Rangers being very nice to Dunfermline and squaring them up at 100p in the pound?

  7. Gerry S on 6 March, 2012 at 09:53 said:


    blantyretim on 6 March, 2012 at 09:41 said:


    Oldest building in Larkhall destroyed after arson attack


    yip listed building too.


    — — —


    It’s a headline that could have appeared in the previous 100 years. It’ll be seen as some sign of trophey around that town

  8. Morning bhoys from a spring like hun free mountain.



    Paul 67



    You told us before that the SPL board would decide on any newco.



    The current SPL Board is made up of Ralph Topping (SPL Chairman), Neil Doncaster (SPL Chief Executive), Eric Riley (Celtic FC), Stephen Thompson (Dundee United FC), Derek Weir (Motherwell FC) and Steven Brown (St Johnstone FC).



    Now you are saying that Yorkson will have a vote.



    Have things changed ?




  9. I don’t have a lot of breath left so I ain’t wasting it holding for a ‘nae’ from any except ourselves.



    H H

  10. Would be interesting to see when the double contracts have been confirmed will they expose the players who participated in such schemes or are they allowed anonymity.Fully expect the double contracts to be doing the rounds down south.

  11. Paul67



    Are the SPL and ‘a member club of the SPL’ still going with the line that the decision on whether a newco huns should be admitted is one solely for the board of directors, and not the member clubs, to decide?

  12. Dodgy Refs….?



    A few posters have mentioned they would not be surprised if the refs were involved in some skulduggery at RFC



    I heard 2 refs are being investigated for receiving payment from RFC



    No names have been mentioned yet and I cant elaborate on this further but lets say the source is pretty good and I have no reason to doubt it

  13. I’ve always had time for Dunfermline as a team but Yorkston is an arse.He even managed to drag us into the discussion over non payment of bills at the weekend he can’t help himself.When asked on shortbread about whether the huns non payment was the reason for his players wages delay he stated that it was partially and that it would have the same impact if people at Parkhead were not paying their bills either!!!!



    WTF is he on about?? What does any of this have to do with us?



    He is a blowhard loudmouth and I for one would not be surprised were he to come to an arrangement with the huns when the time comes.



    His interview on the steps of hamdump yesterday was embarrassing and as usual added nothing,he likes the sound of his own voice and takes the chance to get it out there whenever he can.



    I don’t think he is necessarily anti Celtic or pro huns he just loves to be in the spotlight,as I stated he is an arse.

  14. BOBBY MURDOCH’S, sorry about that.



    St Martin’s Bhoy, I am pretty sure no one is on our side as things stand. We should be able to count on the vote of the team due to be relegated, but, frankly, who knows?



    Malone19, tax would be due on the full amount of wages due, whether they are paid now or deferred until later in the year. Payment date doesn’t matter, it’s about when the wages were earned.



    EXILED TIM, ernie lynch, I covered this in my ‘What now’ article on Rangers last week. The SPL board have the ultimate authority but there is an expectation they will refer the decision to the entire league.

  15. pardon my ignorance


    but what is yorkstons history in the game?


    is he an exhun player?is he a member of the orange order?


    is he a mason?is he a blackman?


    reading the incredible article in FOUL on CQN yesterday


    its clear that they hold massive influence over ex employees

  16. I’d have thought that the gers being in second place at the moment could hamper their chances of parachuting straight back into the spl as a newco.


    Wouldn’t every team below them want a team above them out, so they all improve their league position and therefore their prize money?


    Using Paul’s Dunfermline example, then surely the same logic must be applied to every team below the gers who would all move up a place, no relegation and two teams from Div1 coming up.



    For any team above the gers, it’s less a financial issue and more a moral one.


    For any team below the gers, it’s a financial and moral issue.



    I think they’ll struggle to get enough votes to re-join. Div 1 2nd placed team will be unhappy too.



    I expect there will be a league restructure, that allows the gers newco in, no relegation, and two teams from Div1 to come up in an attempt to keep everyone happy, including Sky TV.



    The downside is, that it effectively gives Celtic and Rangers licence to break rules, cheat, and steal, while suffering no more than two or threee years banned from Europe. But how many titles and euro campaigns did they have as a result of their cheating and stealing?? According to some, it seems they’ve been at this for around 15 years…….and it’s looking like a 3 year points deduction would be a likely punishment.



    Hardly seems fair.

  17. Reposted from yesterday- Party at Swindon Town FC (party hats optional).


    A shout out to anyone in the Swindon area and beyond. There is a Charity ‘ An Evening with John Hartson’ at Swindon Town FC on Thursday 22nd March 7pm. Price is £15 per ticket which includes supper, comedian and auction including Celtic items. Proceeds go to Great Western Hospital Breast Cancer Unit.



    Spoke to the organiser last night who said she contacted him as he was a friend of a friend. She said he could not have been more accomodating and willing to help the unit. Speaks volumes for the guy.



    Would be good to show BBJ the Celtic support in the area and how what we think of a guy who donned the hoops and is now one us. If interested please leave a message on here and I will get Paul to send me your email.







  18. West Wales Celt on



    The best predictor of future behaviour is past behaviour.


    Stop and ask yourself when was integrity a priority in Scottish football? They’ll bounce back in like a sh@t covered yoyo without so much as sheepish grin.



    Personally I’d rather a long, slow, grinding administration til all debts are paid. The bonus would be relegation the season after next with £20 million paid off and only another £30 million to go…

  19. tomtheleedstim on

    Thindimebhoy on 6 March, 2012 at 10:08 said:


    Whilst I wouldn’t be surprised that refs had received any kind of inducement I would be surprised if evidence has been discovered.


    I hope you are right though.





    Oh,please,please,please let it be true…….

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