It all seems a bit cloak and dagger to suggest that pyrotechnics are smuggled into football grounds inside flags and banners. I’d always assumed the ‘stick it up your jumper’ technique would have been the delivery mechanism, not that I’ve any experience of the subject.
Flares have been an increasing menace at football games across the UK in recent years, including earlier this season at a Europa League qualifying game at McDiarmid Park, which passed off without mention in the media, but police have previously limited their interventions to lectures and the occasional arrest.
Football clubs are dependent on Police Scotland for safety licenses for games, and in their wisdom, the police have determined this action will remove one method of entering a stadium with pyrotechnics and discharging them without detection. The ‘stick it up your jumper’ technique remains, as does ‘light it while pretending to tie your laces’. Jumpers and tie-up shoes are the real enemy here.
This is an arbitrary over-reaction to the criticism Police Scotland came under for failing to properly police the vandalism at Fir Park, it will not prevent anyone intent on letting off flares inside a football ground from doing so. Over-reacting after under-policing is a well-known phenomenon. Going after flags and banners feels provocative. Coincidence?
You’re likely to find out if you’re in a provocative mood on Thursday; Police Scotland will know that provoking a crowd seldom quietens things down. The reaction to Fir Park made me hopeful that we’d seen the last flare from the Celtic support, now who knows? We’re deep in muscle flexing territory here.
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Can I still buy a flag in Tesco in Perth?
I am thoroughly confused now.
So which side are we all on now?
I really hope not one Celtic fan attends on Boxing Day, regardless of what happens re the flags.
Snake Plissen.
If true it tells us who is behind it.
Bugger. Letter to my MSP about OBB infringing human rights.
Some advert for independence.
Evening Timland from a cold hun free mountain valley
Dearie me, what a pickle
HH
SFTB:
…The game is too precious to be let go of lightly or without a fight. It is time to call out the enemies of football.
We the Celtic Support as have others who follow their Clubs have been treated like Cattle being led to the Slaughter House. The majority of Supporters only want to follow their team, spending their hard earned cash by having a few bevvies, singing songs, flying their flags and supporting their team. Some say that it is the working man’s game but sadly the business men including T.V. came along and ruined it.
On the 4th May 1994 Celts for Change and the Celtic Support won the day and saved our great Club from a Board that lost the vision on how to run our Club financially.
Our current Board are light years ahead of the old Board, if I can refer to them as that. There are things the new Board have done wrong. However, there are things they have done well. The most important one is they have insured we still have an unbroken history, unlike some other Club.
Getting back to your main point, supporters are treated appallingly and have been as far as I can remember. We face a new challenge and that is to weed out the idiots who bring pyrotechnics to games, they are some of the enemies of football, so long as they are allowed to continue it will only assist in the alienation and continued cattle being led to the slaughter house mentality from the authorities.
Before those of you who think I am a Board apologist, which I am not. We must continue through this Site, Twitter and other mediums take our concerns to the Board through legitimate means.
I know Eddie Toner personally and served on the CSA Executive Committee in the early 90s with him. We need people like him to continue to challenge our Board and authorities. We need people like Eddie Toner to help us police (small p) to weed out the idiots that go to our games, I do not regard them as supporters. The idiots that take pyrotechnics to our games are a bigger threat to our Club than our Board.
As Auldheid has said we should not assume just because there is silence from the Board that nothing is being done.
Neganon 2, I think you love throwing in the metaphoric grenade, to say supporting Celtic is propping up sectarianism Scotland is absolute tosh. Supporting Celtic is standing up for your principles and giving the two fingers to sectarianism. If we boycott Celtic our voices will not be heard.
We need to stand together fight the fight and not walk away when we don’t get what we want…there is only one team that does walking away and it ain’t us!
Keep the Faith!
Hail Hail!
SFTB,
Being a tory dosent matter a jot on whether you are a Celtic supporter, i didnt explain that statement well, i couldnt care less on an individuals political persuasions.
But when we see the board not paying staff a living wage against all ethos of what the club represents then for me it is an issue, thats the political and economical policies of the PLC board.
gebhoy
I blame MSM, – both clubs have lifted the ban, it’s just Police Scotland don’t know yet.
“Meeja” House digs his
patent leather
Jack
boots in?
Auldheid
The whole thing is now through the looking glass for me.
Celtic not taking calls.
If St.Johnstone still offering a refund then every one should take it and spend the money in a Celtic pub or supporters club.
There is something going on here and I fear trouble at the game.
Would you believe Raman Bhardwaj?
Lennybhoy
Well said.
gebhoy
The confusion was probably mine.
I agree that an invstigation into the practical issues behind the Living Wage issue followed by its implementation, or a variant of it, would have saved a lot of anguish amongst our support.
Jamsie Bhoy
Aye, something is going on all right.
This time I will back the board 100%.
No way would they have released that statement without the go ahead from the polis and St J.
Someone is trying to make us look bad here.
HH
Auldheid
18:26 on 23 December, 2013
Confused. What does independence have to do with this ?. Where are Labour on this ?.
Haven’t heard much !
Setting Free the Bears
Na. That Harry wiz no..Ma Uncle Harry
Thanks fur takin the Time n Effort tae .. try an verify whit Ah wrote,Though
How Typical Of You..,
Anyway… Ma Uncle Harry.. Didane Fight Under His .. Real Name..’
but, Ah kin Tell You This .. Aboot Him..
A Wee Story?
But a Trew wan…’
Me an Ma Uncle Harry, wur wance Upon A TIME…Going tae A Murder Trial.. which wid tak place in the Auld Bailey..
Harry , wiz gettin’ Oan in Years, at this fime.
As we wur walking doon Mayfair..In London..
A Thief, Who Wiz Following us.. Much tae Oor ,surprise.. as Harry n Me wur all Agog.. at the Thought of Actually Going tae witness… A Murder Triall..and we wur ,Therefore ,In deep Conversation..
Anyway.. this Thief,.. saw an opportunity tae Steal an Expensive Camera.. Which ..Ma Unlce Harry.. whiz Carrying, Carelessly.. Strung Over his Shooder..
The Thief, Made his Move..
and.. Like Ah Said.. It wiz a Complete Surprise Attack.. well
It wiz…
Tae Me..but,as it turned oot.. No Tae Ma Uncle Harry..
N, Ah am Sure.the Thief, Also, goat a bit o’ a Surprise..intae the Bargain.
Fur..as the Thief ,came running by.. Snatching at Uncle Harry’s Camera , an Tuggin It
Frae Ma uncle’s Shooder..
Harry, reacted.. Instinctively, Ah suppose..
By..
Clipping the Sneaky Camera Thief.. a Fair.. Short.. Upper Cut, tae the Chin.’
whereupon.. the Thief..
Fell tae the Grun..
Out.. Cold.. as Ice.
A Crowd quickly gathered..as .. Naebuddy, could Understaun ,wit hid Occurred.
Fur, it wiz ALL over,in the Blink of an Eye.
The Crowd wiz ,subsequently joined by a London Cop.. Who Wanted tae Know..
Whit Had Occurred.. as the Thief , wiz still Blissfully , asleep..oan the Pavement..
Nobuddy, could figger oot whit hid happened..
and We.. Harry n Me.. who Knew Full well ..Whit Had Happened..Especially, tae the would be Camera Snatcher..
Hid, consequently… decided no tae Let Oan…
As we did not want any truck ,with a Police Investigation.. so we jist quietly.. Drifted away frum the Scene..
as we considered it best tae Let.. Sleeping Dugs..and the Thief..
lie!
Yep.. Ma Uncle Harry , wiz a real Tough Cookie..
No Question..
Kojo
Still, Laughin’
Announcement made by both clubs
Police Scotland weren’t consulted.
TheyWillBeTold CSC
ELTIC are claiming a flag ban for their Boxing Day clash at McDiarmid Park has been lifted but St Johnstone and local police are in the dark over the Parkhead club’s statement.
The Daily Record understands there has been NO U-turn over the decision – agreed last week after a meeting between both clubs and the police – to stop travelling Hoops legions taking banners into the ground.
A Saints statement yesterday revealed they had taken the hardline move of refusing to allow visiting fans to take flags into the Perth ground for the festive fixture.
The move came after Celtic fans caused thousands of pounds worth of damage to Fir Park with seats broken and flares set off which led to the flag ban with fears supporters could smuggle them into the ground inside banners.
Celtic today released a statement through their official club website which claimed the ban had been overturned but that is news to the local police and St Johnstone who are unaware of any change from last week’s agreement.
The Hoops statement read: “Following discussions today between Celtic, the local police and St Johnstone FC, it has been decided that flags and banners will now be permitted at the match on Boxing Day.
“We have an excellent relationship with everyone at St Johnstone FC and we thank them and the police for reviewing their initial decision.
“Football is about colour and atmosphere and creating a positive occasion for all and everything should be done to ensure that such an event can take place.
“However, it is also imperative that the safety and the well-being of fans is given paramount importance and in this regard we share the obvious desire of St Johnstone FC and the police that all matches take place in a safe environment.
“We do not need or welcome any form of pyrotechnics at matches and clearly any continued presence of these does nothing for Celtic Football Club or our supporters.
“Celtic has already had discussions with our main supporters’ representatives and we have been assured that our supporters will again back the Club in the right manner at McDiarmid Park.
“With the team currently unbeaten in the League we want our fans to come and enjoy the game safely in a positive atmosphere – and hopefully celebrate the Club continuing this great run over the festive season.”
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This suggests to me that Celtic fans are being set up for a running street battle with the Gestapo.
auldheid
18:20 on 23 December, 2013
“Oh no they’re not”, spot on mate, an attempt at sarcasm but not the best way to convey sarcasm through print.
Keep the Faith!
Hail Hail!
Having accepted Auldheid’s suggestion, I fired off an e-mail to my SNP MSP only to come back on here to discover that we are not sure if Police Scotland will allow banners or not. This clearly shows that the question his ‘Is the O.B.B. Act allowing police to infringe human rights?’ must be raised by as many of us as possible with members of the Scots Parliament.
adi_dasler
18:34 on
23 December, 2013
Auldheid
18:26 on 23 December, 2013
Confused. What does independence have to do with this ?. Where are Labour on this ?.
Haven’t heard much !
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Well it is possible that the same party who brought in a stupid piece of unneeded legislation could be in a position to bring in even more if unbridled by independence.
Simply put I do not trust the thinking currently at the helm of all shades.
BSR
FOLLOWING discussions today between Celtic, the local police and St Johnstone FC, it has been decided that flags and banners will now be permitted at the match on Boxing Day.
Someone is lieing then
HH
Ticket £25 (roughly
Bus £20 (roughly)
Food & hmmm refreshments £30,£40, £50
Tell Plod & SJ tae shove it spent the time and money with your own in house or fellow tims in a Tim friendly bar and have a fantastic boxing day.
Only our foot soldiers travelling support can make them think again even if the ban is lifted (IMO) Plod and their masters Christine Grahame & MacAskill will be out to get at us somehow.
The OBB was drawn up to balance the numbers with those of the walking dead and for no other reason no matter what happens on boxing day and if you are a celtic fan of any race colour or creed on your way to a football match in this bigoted wee country be on your guard. (IMHO) of course.
glad thats off my chest :))
Pal in Perth wondering if it’s only Bearded iris that is banned
Looks like the board distancing themselves from this embargo- the polis wont let the game pass without obtaining results- no pyro = a polis victory and use of pyro is likely to be met by deployment of teams of riot polis who just happened to be passing- similar to the Gallowgate attack.- anyway the polis will also claim this as a reult and will be backed by the MSM no matter what happens
Auldheid
Yes it is ” possible “, but not fact
What has Labour said against it ?
Celtic say banner and bandera ban has been abandoned but sky sports banner banishes this.
TET
My money is still on Sevconian Mainstream Media.
Sumdy’s itchin’ to cause a fight
in an empty
House……..
Lennybhoy…Supporting the DAM 5, Neil Lennon, Wee Oscar Knox, and CFC until I die
18:37 on
23 December, 2013
auldheid
18:20 on 23 December, 2013
“Oh no they’re not”, spot on mate, an attempt at sarcasm but not the best way to convey sarcasm through print.
Keep the Faith!
Hail Hail!
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I appreciate that you believe what you do. I think it is catastrophic thinking but did not want to bring the matter up preferring what I thought was humour but since that failed, here is the serious version.
http://psychcentral.com/lib/what-is-catastrophizing/0001276
setting free the bears supports res. 12 & oscar knox
18:32 on 23 December, 2013
Thanks, I wasn’t sure if I was having a rant or if I articulated myself properly. Usually when I read your posts I wonder how does he put it so well.
Keep the Faith!
Hail Hail!
Our club is slap bang in the middle of a smear campaign, unsurprisingly timed and designed to drag us into the Sevco abyss.
Peter Lawwell and his board (very possibly on the instructions of DD) are dancing to the Msm/police/Gov body tune.
By doing so they are failing to represent, in my opinion, the majority of the support. Rather than take these agenda driven anti-Celtic bodies head-on, PL and co seem to be kowtowing.
The Celtic support will not be fooled, and the last two home attendances must have sent out a big message.
The only constant at any football club is the support, the lifeblood.
An owner (Tan) or a PLC, takes this lifeblood for granted or underestimates them at their peril.
The Celtic support got their way in 93/94, and did so without a very powerful tool at their disposal, social media.
Dermot Desmond and Peter Lawwell should remember this before they dig the hole any deeper. They are only assisting those who hate CFC, and insulting me at the same time.
Look this is not about Independence because we are not Independent. This is going on now and it will be in place unless it is scrapped.
If there is a no vote we still have the current Scottish government to 2016.
This goes beyond independence. It is the here and now and if you want my opinion this is hurting the debate massively.
The SNP are wrong over this issue and they need to be brought to task over it and things need to change. YES vote or NO vote.
adi_dasler
18:44 on
23 December, 2013
Auldheid
Yes it is ” possible “, but not fact
What has Labour said against it ?
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Not interested. Philosophically I think the idea of true independence is a fallacy unless it is independence to make our own mistakes.
In that respect I do not trust the competence of the government machinery in whatever shade to make less mistakes under independence than the current UK mob but at least I know I have survived their attempts at governing my life in the last 67 years..
Auldheid
By the way – brought up Labour. They do not have a scoobie now. Lost their soul. Now most of them Tory thinking. They need to change BIG Time.
BSR
Aye, spot on.
HH
Police say flags and banners are still banned on Thursday. BBC Reporting Scotland 30 seconds ago.
HH