It all seems a bit cloak and dagger to suggest that pyrotechnics are smuggled into football grounds inside flags and banners. I’d always assumed the ‘stick it up your jumper’ technique would have been the delivery mechanism, not that I’ve any experience of the subject.
Flares have been an increasing menace at football games across the UK in recent years, including earlier this season at a Europa League qualifying game at McDiarmid Park, which passed off without mention in the media, but police have previously limited their interventions to lectures and the occasional arrest.
Football clubs are dependent on Police Scotland for safety licenses for games, and in their wisdom, the police have determined this action will remove one method of entering a stadium with pyrotechnics and discharging them without detection. The ‘stick it up your jumper’ technique remains, as does ‘light it while pretending to tie your laces’. Jumpers and tie-up shoes are the real enemy here.
This is an arbitrary over-reaction to the criticism Police Scotland came under for failing to properly police the vandalism at Fir Park, it will not prevent anyone intent on letting off flares inside a football ground from doing so. Over-reacting after under-policing is a well-known phenomenon. Going after flags and banners feels provocative. Coincidence?
You’re likely to find out if you’re in a provocative mood on Thursday; Police Scotland will know that provoking a crowd seldom quietens things down. The reaction to Fir Park made me hopeful that we’d seen the last flare from the Celtic support, now who knows? We’re deep in muscle flexing territory here.
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weeminger
On this question bud….I will defer to more knowledgable posters who specialise in these topics…but I will say this.
I will leave them to their honest mistakes, and by god, ive seen enough of them over the years….I wont be taking any part in their scoddish league, they can cheat amongst themselves.
HH
I’d like to start by echoing corkcelt’s hope that Eddie Toner and others will reconsider their position now that the smoke is beginning to clear about who did what with who and to whom in this senseless flag fiasco.
We have had a lot of half baked hypotheses floated and most do not stand the test of any evidence.
The Celtic support that goes to away games, and the fans of many clubs that attend away games, including sadly at Celtic Park, have a justifiable gripe as to how they are treated by police ans club stewards at matches and on the way to matches.
The perception of football fans as putative hooligans has been here for a while. It pre-dates the Green Brigade, it pre-dates the OB at Football Act, and it pre-dates pyro.
We were subject to searches by 3 banks of police and Stewards at Pittodrie 3 years ago (who, incidentally, failed to spot or ask about a radio and apple in one of my pockets). We were met with unjustified hostility and a threat of arrest by a motorcycle cop at Ibrox 4 years back who blocked off access to a street, temporarily. We have had supporter’s buses delayed and searched by surly policemen (and some charming ones to be fair, because courtesy enhances the relationship). On none of these occasions were my companions or I abusive, threatening or belonging to any likely demographic of potential trouble-making. Being football supporters was enough to have us boxed in to some unpopular stereotype.
The Daily Mail may not sell a lot up in Scotland but the Sunday Post and the Record Group can peddle their own bigotry and prejudice such that a political group can find succour and support in its attempts to crack down on an invented moral panic. There has been no increase in football violence, there has been no widespread vandalism or violence, and very little pyro, and what little of it there has been, has happened since all these measures took root.
We, as a society in Scotland, look down on football. In a land which, historically, has had an excess of interest and passion tied up in football, we have suddenly come across all metrosexual and condescending towards it.
We need to stand up for ourselves and our favoured activity. We contribute a lot to Scotland’s economy and profile. We do deserve better than we are getting.
My club has done many things wrong recently, but they are not the prime movers in all of this. It is time to rally round positive support for our club and our game. We must remain focused on the recent corruption and police our own game to improved standards. That will demand some retrospective justice being applied before we can go on. And it will require some response from our custodians too.
The game is too precious to be let go of lightly or without a fight. It is time to call out the enemies of football.
I totally agree bourne, I’d go as far as calling any clown who sets one off a Traitor. If this is worked correctly it could be the start of a major comeback. If Perth is a colourful atmospheric, peaceful festival it will recharge the batteries and will transfer back to Celtic Park.
Sandman
Your last post is insensitive to say the least por cierto
weeminger
Do you think documentary evidence exists categorically proving widespread corruption and ant-Celtic bias within the SFA?
Money may not change hands in SFA circles, but we have corruption just the same.
I’m happy for Celtic to deal with it by boxing clever, as they have done in the past with extension-gate, Neil Lennon’s ban etc. Celtic have shown themselves more than capable of choosing their battles.
To be fair, looking at the recent incumbents at the SFA, it hasn’t exactly been a fair fight.
Right bhoys for us going to the game we need to be treble wide today we won a battle but police Scotland will be determined to win the war and after the boot in the haw maws today they’ll want body’s on Thursday.
HH
I’m not a fan of Tesco, but they seem to have given plod short shrift.
Pity St Johnstone, and possibly Celtic, weren’t so resolute.
There again maybe they were when it came down to £££££££.
TonyDonnelly67 what,s your take on Eddie Toners stance? Hail Hail Hebcelt
for all the bhoys and ghirls going to the game thursday
leave the pyro/flares at home
drunks/vandals/hooligans GTF
lets show them the how celtic fans support their team
celtic scarfs
celtic flags
celtic songs
this is going out live around the uk/ireland
this and a few goals is more than enough to send
those who hate the green into meltdown
along with a grin as wide as the clyde at full time
hail hail
jam67
Denied another opportunity for grandstanding……………
…………what will “Meeja” House do next???
bankiebhoy1
17:30 on 23 December, 2013
“Denied another opportunity for grandstanding……………
…………what will “Meeja” House do next???”
It will be posted on CQN first! por cierto
Green pints it’s gone way beyond trying to get an incompetent board out. Our current incumbents want to silence the core of the support. They are a disgrace. They agreed to this flag ban else it would not have happened. Their capitulation shows we still have some power.
I repeat my message. Supporting celtic at this time is propping up sectarianism in Scotland. Boycott celtic.
sandman – brilliant !
SFTB,
Yup thats my experience of the football in the past 5 years, highlights being stopped 3 times between Stirling and Aberdeen 2 years ago all in search of drink in a 16 seat minibus, the surprise was they didnt find any!
The only thing i slightly disagree with is yes unify but how can we unify behind this current board?
I am not being flippant in that statement i just cant see how the current incumbents will be able to garner any trust from the normal rank and file.
gebhoy
Going by his Twitter page, without him actually saying it, it seems to me that Eddie Toner is back. Its a relief to me because I planned to Boycott the TV broadcast (I know, I know a pointless exercise) but being in Cork ’twas the only thing I could do. Now Friars Walk Tavern, here I come. Bampots don’t be fooled, others will now try to claim plaudits for the result but don’t listen. Ye won, God Bless ye all.
por cierto
17:27 on 23 December, 2013SandmanYour last post is insensitive to say the least por ciert
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Dear God…
Really, mate? I mean…. Rrrreally?
What has changed, if anything since Celts for Change rose up to save our Club from the abyss. Do we need to start another movement to oust DD et al as they are in danger of taking our Club into the abyss!
Keep the Faith!
Hail Hail!
gebhoy
I would not ask us to unify behind our board. This is not just a Celtic issue but, if we are more comfortable going it alone, then unite behind the CSA or Celtic Trust.
If you want to engage in civil, legal and possibly criminal activity then understand that you are the responsible adult and accept the consequences.
My advice would be to return the tickets…….do not buy anymore again
Do not go to away games……….ever
Parkhead is up to your own consciousness………
Money talks and bullshit walks in business….it always has done…….
BLEED THEM DRY……
KingLubo
Hiya, Ma Auld n Admired.. Freen..
How the Hell..ur Ye?
Gled , that ye ur still .. Suckin’ up..the Oxygen..
Yes.. Corporal Punishment.. IN MA OPINION..
Is a VERY,VERY, Effective Means o’ Setting a Juvenile.. See the Error o His Ways
An.. As a matter of Fact..Ah hiv a wee Story fur You..and Anybuddy else..who Reads this..
Which Demonstrated.. How. A Good.. Skelp oan the Beafter.. Wi a Birch Rod..
‘
Did.. Have a very,very Effective..well.. Effect..oan the Life o Two Fellahs..
One of these Fellahs…wiz an Uncle of Mine..
HIs Name wus… Harry..
Noo, Harry, wiz Born n Bred ..in the Gorbals district of Glesca.. Many Years Ago.
And.. Harry.. HIs a Chlldhood Companion..in those Days..
HIs Name.. wiz..
BENNY LYNCH( Yes.. The Kid ,who grew up tae Be.. World Flyweight Champion)
Benny and Harry.. At the time,Ah am gonna Speak aboot.
Wur..
Eight or Nine Years Old.
Noo.. Harry n Benny, wur a Couple o Wee Scamps.. ye might say..
and they wur always Ready and Able..
tae Get intae.. Whithevah , MIschief.. that wiz Open tae them,as well as..
Any Mischef.. that Wiz NO open, tae Them
Wan Day or Night.. Ah don’t know Which..
Harry n Benny.. Entered , The CEMETARY.. Which wiz in Caledonia Road..Near the OATLANDS( So Ah am Told..)
n They.. Commenced tae .. Push Doon..as Many..of the Auld GRAVE STAINS.. that.. were.. well.. PUSHABLE!
They Hid great fun.. daeing this..n Ah Kin Understaun, Why,,, FUR Ah …believe it or No.. wiz a Kid ..as well, wance upon a Time..
and Ah enjoyed tae Destroy Things.. Jis Like They ,did..
Although, The Things that Ah Destroyed wur ..pretty small Chinge.. compared tae
wrecking Somebuddy’s Grave stain..
Anyway.. Tae Continue..
Uncle Harry..( Who eventually grew up tae be a very Good Middle-Weight..in the
U.K.. and managed tae hiv a Championship Fight ..wi.. Dick Turpin..)
And.. Benny.. Managed tae Dae quite a Loata Damage ,tae a loata Deid Folks Markers… during their stay at the Grave Yard..that Night or day..
Well.. those two Tearaway Kids.. goat Caught..
And they Received…
Ten strokes of the Birch.. a Piece, fur those Depradations which they hid carried oot.
Uncle Harry, Ah am Told..
Hid the Marks of the Birch.. Still Oan Him…when He Passed away,, Many years Later..
Benny, probably hid some residual Marks ,of the Birch ,stil oan His Boady Tae..
But.. Ah canny vouch fur that..as, Ah wiz never told .. whether he hid or Hidnae.
Anyway..
The Upshot..wiz..
Harry.. from then Oan.. and Benny.. Never again..
Goat intae Any Trouble wi the Law…
They Focused thur anti Social Behaviour..
In a Good way.. by Becoming Boxers..and Making A Few Boab, frum thur ..
In born Aggressiveness..
Nothing the Maitter wi That.. Right?
Bottum Line…
If a Kid Is Caught ,Early and Taught , well.. Early. that Engaging in Criminality wul only bring ye . PHYSICAL PAIN and Sufferin..
Then ..In Ma Opinion.. Jist like Harry.. Learned..
a Recalcitrant Kid.. wull Also, Learn
Tae Straighten up n Fly Right..
Yep…
Ah am a Great Believer of Corporal Punishment fur Sotien Crimes..
Fur Kids..and Some ADULTS, tae!
You Betcha. Ah dae..
Nice chatting..Palomine..
This His bin a TREW STORY,Folks.
Kojo
Still.Laughin’
Tonydonnely67
Last Friday was proposed by Celtic but did not suit guys out of the country.
Today was an alternative but that did not suit the Company Secretary with whom the matter is being pursued.
Another date is being sought but unless the Company Secretary is playing silly buggers the meeting will take place.
If it does not it will represent a massive breach of trust on Celtic’s part with regard to shareholders and PL is not that stupid.
Your understanding of the situation is incorrect particularly on secrecy. I have posted answers to questions regularly. The ONLY info that has not been set out is the letters from HMRC and e mails within Rangers that are the reason the Res was not voted against.
They have not been published because of how they may have been obtained.
They may in fact no longer be on line but that is were they first appeared and to anyone who read them they are not secret.
However happy to provide a document that comments on their content at the time to anyone.
It is the accuracy of those comments that needs to be established, hence the meeting when I’ll be attending.
The aim of Res12 was to establish if the SFA handled the full licensing process properly. We will know after the meeting if they did.
corkcelt
Yes, so would I, traitor is the only appropriate word.
There are no genius’s at work in Police Scotland who dreamt up
the banner ban, in the hope that they’d solve a pyro problem.
They’ve capitulated, and the ‘focus’ is ironically back on pyro’s,
which was what it was about – wasn’t it?
Despite massive MSM desire, there will be no fireworks.
gebhoy
17:24 on 23 December, 2013
not much there you missed out
totally agree
the so called suits will brains…..emmmm
it has taken a few brave internet bampots to point out rule after rule where being broken
or changed to suit an agenda
the 1 thing that is required is unity
the celtic support are being attacked from all sides
some are falling for the spin and helping the enemy
the close season could bring things to a head
meanwhile the team head for 3 in a row
the polis etc will be coming for us bampots if we get anywhere near 10
KTF
jam67
SFTB,
Agree but i feel if it keeps going the way it is it will become a them (the PLC) and us fight, how can we en devour to change Scottish if our own club dosent support us or believe in what we are fighting against.
Never mind the current political ethos of the board.
HH
gebhoy
corkcelt
I am genuinely glad you will now be able to enjoy yourself in the Friars Walk Tavern…….probably even more so now that you know you might have missed it!
JJ
* how can we en devour to change Scottish football
Boycotting Sky Sports is more likely to bring about change in Scottish football than boycotting
Celtic is the missing word.
Just a quick one before I go .
A few people on here say something along the lines of: The Board won`t be happy `till we are all sitting quietly in Celtic park and giving the team polite applause.
I believe that The Board and all of us at the games would be very,very happy to hear big crowds roaring out Hail! Hail! ;We Are Celtic Supporters! ;The Fields etc
Argument lose power by looking at extremes.
JJ Cheerio for now.
Fair amount of Sevco shares getting thrown about today. Imagine waking up to an envelope of them on Christmas day… :(
Kojo
The only Harry listed as an opponent of Dick Turpin was one Harry Ainsworth, who is credited with a pro boxing record of won 2, Lost 24 , and drawn 1.
Are you sure he transferred all of his aggression into boxing? He was sure knocked out a lot. Maybe the birching gave him a taste for S & M.
Incidentally, he was Disqualified twice during a bout so he may not have been birched clean of all his misdemeanours.
Do you think birching might cure racism out of a person?
gebhoy
“how can we endeavour to change Scottish if our own club dosent support us or believe in what we are fighting against.”
We do not really know that is the case till we try. If they are true opponents of the necessary change, then they must be tackled too.
“Never mind the current political ethos of the board.”
Now, that is a separate question. Mush as I might prefer it not to be, being a Tory or a supporter of any mainstream party does not preclude you from being a Celtic supporter.
SSB reporting that Police scotland say the ban stands.
What the hell is going on?
KoJo
great tale of Harry & Benny, and can I say, much to learn from in my humble opinion. Yeah, there is no doubt that a good smack on the ercie whether physical or otherwise is a deterrent make no mistake. if would be villains were aware before they did the crime that they would be punished severely and I mean severely, they would think again. For example, let’s say that if a person were to double park and the punishment was let’s say 20 years hard labour, does anybody think they would consider double parking. of course they wouldn’t. End of!
Have a brilliant Christmas and a peaceful time and be good to Mrs KOJO
Hail Hail
KINGLubO
Is the ban lifted or what?
Lennybhoy 17.41
Since its panto season.
“Oh no they are’nt”
Alison Robbie @ AlisonRobbie 4m
Utterly bizarre. #celtic say banners & flags will be allowed at #stjohnstone . Police Scotland say ban still stands.
Confusion reigns, Raman Bawbag on STV says Police Scotland will still uphold flag ban.
jeeezo……..
gebhoy