Just days after The Beating of Barca in 2004 the youthful Celtic chief executive, Peter Lawwell presented teenage sensation, David Marshall, with a new contract, reward for his incredible goalkeeping performances against the Catalans. Having made only a single first team appearance, in a cup game against (then) lower league opponents, David played the second half of the first leg against Ronaldinho & Co, then all of the second leg, without conceding a goal.
It Camp Nou performance was the most remarkable I’ve seen from a keeper. After years looking for a solid performer to make the position his own, it looked like we had a new star.
A year later David had, if anything, regressed. He remained first choice until after the start of season 2005-06 but Artur Boruc, for a while the genuine article, soon replaced him. David was shipped out to Norwich before eventually settling at Cardiff City, where he has built a solid career, but his star never shone as brightly as we expected it to. His Scottish contemporaries, Allan McGregor and Craig Gordon, both overtook him.
It is incredibly hard for a youth player to break into a team like Celtic in a position like goalkeeper, or striker, the pressure to deliver – every time – is so high, we are a whole lot more likely to introduce wingers. The parallels between David Marshall and Tony Watt are remarkable, so far.
From the outside it’s hard to guess what went wrong for David at Celtic. He lost his place at Celtic when he was just 20 and the trajectory of his career was never the same but 20 is still remarkably young for a keeper working at Champions League level. Tony Watt is two years younger than David and he is in the considerably better position of being able to come on as substitute for sections of games, or to drop away for a few weeks, if necessary.
We should expect more fantastic splurges of form from the player but there will be frustrations and dips in form too. He has the skill, speed and strength to make it. With hard work and patience he stands an excellent chance.
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Heck..
In fact.. Mebbe.. it’s a great idea, after awe..
And Ah dinnae see it.
And.. Mebbe..
Two Games.. Boycott.. is No Enuff..
How Aboot..
A Total Boycott , by All the Celtic Fans..
and Threatening.. tae..
Nevah Going back tae Parkheid.. Until.. the G.B. get a Written Apology fae
the Glesca Polis.?
Yep..
Sounds Great .. tae Me…
Kojo
Doc……
I agree!
Why are the being treated this way by the hun loving polis?
Why are Celtic FC allowing this?
The club must be giving personal details to the police.
Where else would they get this information?
The club need to make a statement…..and now.
Unless they are COMPLICIT!!
As one who supported the team,from the Jungle,for more years than I care to remember,I support The Green Brigade 100%
The only way to hurt the suits is in the pocket.
The establishment are sh-t.we are the enemy,always have been ,always will be in sh-t Scotland..
Know how some of the GB must be feeling but don’t agree with boycotts so will go as normal to both games but happy to help out with donation to any other protest that may be planned. Whilst on the subject of GB and other associated singing around Paradise – can we give up on the references to the IRA etc please….think we have moved on from the need to do this at a football match.
philbhoy – it’s just the beginning!
Was bad enough without them for 10 mins last week
I was searched on the way in for the first time. Did anyone not in 111 get the same?
I will not be there for those games.
Maybe this is the year when fan power can change the game for the good of everyone!!!
JimmyQuinnsBits
21:50 on
I was havin a Calvados – hark at me – with a “Twisted and Bitter” chaser. Inspired by your innovation I’ve decided to mix the two into an avant-garde snakebite, which I think I’ll name heid-squeezer.
Results after the break
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Presently partaking of the said Zombiekiller, very palatable if somewhat aptly named.
Hail! Hail! PMTYH
Myself and canamaler spoke with Mr . Bankier today after the AGM had finished.
We asked him directly if the Club had handed over supporters information to the police , he assured us that the club would only have handed over details to the police if a crime had been committed .
I asked him if the club would look into the harassment of the Green Brigade by the police , he assured us he would .
After tonight’s news about the GB boycott I am left wondering if we were just fobbed off by our chairman .
If this harassment of the GB continues it is time for the rest of the support to stand shoulder to shoulder with the GB and tell the board if this continues we will all be boycotting Celtic Park .
Football without fans is nothing , after all .
Hail Hail
The Green Brigade are unfortunate to have been caught up in a series of events that have brought about their persecution.
First the Chief Constable of Strathclyde was looking for a series of PR stunts to show the government that he was the man to boss the new Scottish police area.
Then the government needed a new law to convict Celtic supporters who were disproportionately few in being convicted of the sectarian and racially aggravated crimes the Hun were guilty of en masse.
Demonise the relatively harmless GB and prosecute under the new law with a specialised force was the order of the day.
Add to that mix the fact that the Oldco Rangers (the team of choice for the majority of Strathclyde’s finest) had went bust and the bobbys were bitter boys and this is the result.
While murder, assault, GBH, rape, drug deals go down with impunity in the dear green place the police are arresting a 13-year old for carrying a bottle of water in to Celtic Park.
You couldn’t make it up could you?
P.S. Lights still out in Portugal
kelvinbhoy
I have not heard any ….. And I listen to ooh ahh carefully :-)
The police have an open and public agenda against decent Celtic supporters.
This must be with the clubs permission.
The good ghuys will be turning in their graves…………………….
kelvinbhoy
22:57
which songs are these ??? please feel free to enlighten us!
Truly sad what the bhoys of the green brigade are having to deal with.
If the powers that be within Celtic park don’t make an official statement on the treatment of the green gb is getting it is truly a sad reflection on the board.
How the sevco would love an organised fan base like gb.
Slabbery gub would be shouting from their asbestos ridden rafters in defense if they were being treated in the same manner.
BOYCOTT
That’s what they want
oor father’s put up with much worse
If they would have chucked it
no Celtic today.
Kelvinbhoy
Pal..
Tae write. such.. Uncommon sense.. as ye hiv,in yer.. Last Submission..
Demands Respect..
Ah hiv tae Admire yer Bravery,pal..
Kojo
Who Likes the wey ye think.
FourGreen Fields
Is this the same chairmen who finished by saying that he hoped the fans should behave themselves for the next 12 months?
Shameful, disgusting and said by someone who should be nowhere near Celtic Park.
In my OPINION!
The masonic cabal are showing their hand, it’s as clear as day.
If the suits don’t do something,I fear this might hit them hard where it hurts.
Valentine’s Day
23:04 on
16 November, 2012
BOYCOTT
That’s what they want
oor father’s put up with much worse
If they would have chucked it
in what way is it chucking it??? what would you propose? a stern letter perhaps
Celtic Mac
They will use lateral thinking to jail anyone.
Reference to hunger strikers etc still being made – is that enough. Not going to get into any arguments – far too sober for that but Celtic songs at CP – nothing else
Auldheid
21:04 on 16 November, 2012
Winning Captains
Sixtaeseven
I have the advantage of having met the main players at Celtic and know a bit more about the circumstances they work under and the attitudes they face AND adopt than is the norm.
I have seen a difference for the better over the past three years but know that these guys face constraints that supporters are not fully aware of but that does not mean that they are deaf to what we say……………………
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Most of us are unaware of the conflicting pressures that our decision makers work under.
It is good that you have made the situation a bit clearer for us.
Thank you, Auldheid. Much appreciated.
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The Green Brigade situation is very worrying.
Boycott seems be one of those situations where EVERYBODY loses.
Might a mass walk-out after 60 or 70 minutes not be more dramatic & effective ? That would allow Celtic men around the ground, who support & appreciate the GB, to join in the protest & be clearly seen to be doing so.
Good luck GB. We owe you our support.
Kelvinbhoy
What songs?
What songs?
You are the problem, not the solution.
Whilst willing to support the GB and to bring this harassment issue to public attention, could I issue one note of caution.
The GB have exercised some intelligence over previous gestures of defiance about their treatment, actions short of boycott, such as the delayed entrance on “Poppy Day” which made the point very forcibly that their presence is appreciated and would be sorely missed.
I accept too that their “gestures” have not been effective in impacting upon Police attitudes, hiding behind last year’s new legislation, criminalising anything they don’t fancy. Therefore it is understandable that they might consider a match boycott as a way of raising stakes.
But going direct to a 2 match boycott strongly smacks of overkill. If boycott stage has been reached, one match makes your point. Let the club and the police respond to that threat before utilising Boycott day 2, if it must be used.
I would go further and argue that, in their desire to prosecute this road on their own, without seeking alliance from the CSA or CST or other bodies, they have missed intermediate warnings which might have been more demonstrative of a unified support.
Did they consider asking everyone to support the GB by delaying their entrance for 10 minutes at the ICT game or turning their back on the match for 10 minutes at a given signal to demonstrate the unity of the support for the GB position.
A direct move to 2 match total boycott smacks of Scargillite wasting of ammunition. If they have met and decided they must do something and then decide the action and then to call for support from non GBrs, they should not be surprised to find that some might say, “where was my vote in deciding upon this form of action”
It makes less sense for Section 111 only to boycott.
It makes more impact if the whole support, or, at least, a great swathe of it, to be involved in supportive action short of boycott.
Whilst, not seeking to sow division, I must ask what steps the GB took to consider more wholesale actions from the home Celtic support before deciding on this?
I will make it clear to those who think I am siding with Kojo and the apolitical non-boycotters, that you could not be more wrong.
I am quite prepared to miss a match in support of the GB. Being consulted about the process and the aims, however, would be nice.
kelvinbhoy
23:07 on
16 November, 2012
Reference to hunger strikers etc still being made
I see your problem now
Celtic mac,
I love Celtic with all my heart, I fly out to Lisbon on Monday morning, I was/am looking forward to it, but this makes me sick to the bottom of my stomach. I sit in row A seat 2 area 411(just in case strathclydes finest are looking for me), fantastic seat just above the GB, I watch them all the time, they are CELTIC, any law that stops them stops me. Celtic need them, make no mistake.
Hail Hail
philbhoy
I’ll be at the ICT game, not sure I’ll be going into the stadium.
Yep a walk out at the season book game would be more effective, a boycott plays into the polis hands.
I cannot believe what I’m reading here -after Barcelona, and the day after the AGM, and three days before Lisbon – you hand the MSM a headline from Heaven.
A few seasons ago you could run on and slap a goalie
Magnificentseven
A letter too the Times
The GB are right to feel aggrieved
however i would urge all concerned to try
and find a resolution to avoid any boycott.
I would also suggest a bit of calm and cool head
at this time.
2 up for Benfica in injury time.
Kilbowie Kelt
The Green Brigade situation is very worrying.
Boycott seems be one of those situations where EVERYBODY loses.
Might a mass walk-out after 60 or 70 minutes not be more dramatic & effective ? That would allow Celtic men around the ground, who support & appreciate the GB, to join in the protest & be clearly seen to be doing so.
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The club get my money & the GB get my support , a better solution for me WELL SAID.
SUPPORT THE CLUB<SUPPORT ITS LIFEBLOOD
Thank God,for Brother Walfrid to stand up and help the oppressed and the poor.A century on,our custodians will not stand up for our own supporters being harassed and bullied ,what quislings they are.
Phyllis Dietrichson
23:14 on 16 November, 2012
I cannot believe what I’m reading here -after Barcelona, and the day after the AGM, and three days before Lisbon – you hand the MSM a headline from Heaven.
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You might also say that you tell the world about our dirty wee secret.
Final thought before retiring…..
a labotomy of Sevconians.
Goodnight Tims across the world.
Valentine’s Day
23:15 on
16 November, 2012
Magnificentseven
A letter too the Times
a letter TO The Times surely…yes that will sort it
Kilbowie Kelt
Well said.
A letter to the Independent or the Guardian surely?