Before the weekend I argued against the early return of Cameron Carter-Vickers against Motherwell on Sunday. Cameron’s injured hamstring has hampered the player throughout the season and the best remediation for a hamstring is rest. Returning to action before it is absolutely necessary is a risk.
My thoughts on when “absolutely necessary” is has moved since. One central defender will not change the way the team plays, he will not stop a cross coming into the box or be at the back post to stop a header, but Celtic are in desperate need of incremental gains. As well as performing traditional defensive duties very well, he is comfortable in possession and can help transition the ball forward.
He would also be a confidence boost to players and fans alike. Let’s hope we see him on Sunday.
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“I could provide you a link to a thesis exploring why the attention span is so short but it would take a lot more than 10 seconds to read and much much longer to do the even harder work thinking about it.”
Also
You don’t have to understand WHY attention span is so short
You have to devise a strategy understanding that attention span IS so short
Huge difference
Not write a fecking thesis on it
Clunks
Just because the language is beyond your comprehension does not mean that applies to the support as a whole.
Had I started off with the belief they were all stupid I would not have bothered engaging with the supporters.
The shareholders whom I represented were not stupid, far from it, and they understood what it was all about.
My only responsibility was to them and whilst they would have preferred Celtic had acted on the information PL actually encouraged in order to tackle the SFA , they were satisfied that in view of the resistance to doing so, that responsibility was discharged.
Perhaps you are right, the support at large are too stupid to understand what took place. It is not a view I share.
Clunks
The Board did not beat Res12, all they did was shoot themselves in the foot through lies.
Clunks
CLUNKS on 22ND FEBRUARY 2024 1:36 AM
nope
Try again
But take all the legalese out it
Jeest tell it in its basics
“Company Law safeguards small shareholders.
There is a reasonable case it was breached by The Celtic Board, PL in person. DD behind the scenes.”
how dafuq???
“1. DD/PL did comply in which case there is little point in having an AGM.
2 DD/PL didn’t comply in which case resignations are in order.”
And again
Make it understandable
That cant be hard to understand???
Shurely???
Or the vast majority of fuckers will choose not to try to understand.
=============
How about if you cannot understand that, then no amount of explaining is going to satisfy your straw man of an argument.
Meaning of straw man in English in the interests of comprehension.
an argument, claim, or opponent that is invented in order to win or create an argument.
That is not hard to understand.
Surely?
Make it simple and understandable or forever be the teacher trying to explain quadratic equations to the fuckers that dont understand long division
simplify it
And then do it again
and keep going
Then maybe you got it??@?
Goooooood morning all from a dry, mild 5 degree Garngad.
Lthoughi think its the worst squad of players in about 6 or 7 years.
Let’s try and salvage this season starting on Sunday at high noon.
Everyone at our club especially playing staff need to up their game by 100% are they capable?
Let’s see.
But when they take to that field they have my 100% backing.
COYBIG
D. :)
David66
Excellent post to start the day. I’m of a similar mind. We aren’t the strongest we’ve been recently and no post on here will convince me otherwise.
However, we can’t change the playing squad until the summer, so it’s time for the support to unite behind a (hopefully) improving team.
What have we got to lose – other than our treble!
Good Morning Fholk – Grand Day To Be A Tim
Thanks for the insightful and thoughtful replies to the comments of Tuesday, apologies, for the delay, and briefer replies than they deserve, that I hope to post this morning.
Firstly condolences to BURNLEY78’s family, especially his wife, for their loss.
Alzheimer’s may effect the mind but for loved ones it is a heart breaking disease.
May your Mother in Law R.I.P.
Good to see Paul67 highlight the importance of incremental gains, a huge aspect of what we are trying to build at Celtic, especially this season, where a solid foundation is the least we need to achieve.
BURNLEY78 @ 2:56 PM etc..,
Yes, it seems that I should have made my point clearer about the titles after Rangers died, it wasn’t a key point, so I didn’t dwell on it…
If they are tainted titles, then who tainted them!?
Would be my thoughts, the answer of could the same Club that blackened Scottish Football – that perspective must never be lost.
The main thrust of my point on the “twenty years” is this…
From basketcase thirty years ago, to where we are now there is a series of “incremental gains”.
The Fergus McCann era and the MO’N era was every bit, if not more important, than the “players” of the last twenty years…
How significant is the 24 years of Domination??
(The historic five trebles in seven years, the throphy after trophy from a financially doped rival getting by with a little help from their friends (or should that be bye:))
Is only as significant as what we achieve from February 2023 to February 2024.
Hail Hail
DAVID66 @ 6:34 AM,
Totally agree…
Hail Hail
GLENOWEN @ 6:40 AM
Exactly…
Hail Hail – The Celts are here…
“Firstly condolences to BURNLEY78’s family, especially his wife, for their loss.”
Keep The Faith B78.
BOURNESOUPRECIPE @ 10:57 AM,
Chairbhoy @ various posts
“I don’t have any qualms on ‘ net spend ‘ I’d like it to be more, I don’t tend to take sides about our club, be it the manager or upwards he does you’ll agree attract some supporter critique and resentment. He has to take share of any responsibility for what’s happened and what might be coming down the pike between now and May, It’s a team thing ( his words ). That said, there is now a consensus with a majority if you must, pointing to culpability elsewhere at Celtic
There’s a pattern there now, dropped points against sides not only with inferior budgets, but no budgets, and total reliance on loans and Bosmans. £20M net spend, ten clubs have no chance, but in a two horse race, and sadly whether some accept it or not, there are two horses ( again ) with a similar budget and similar sized fan base, Fergus McCann made sure our stadium was 10,000 ST’s bigger, now for three decades.
You may recall I said I don’t want Celtic buying EPL floatsam and jetsam, from an already ludicrous market. I’d rather we’d a DOF, remember we were linked with various big names. I think just before we got ‘Lucky’ Postecoglu and the unlucky Dom MacKay instead?
So, no problem with £20M for the SPL and an elite manager tilt at the CL, that was the deal, bearing in mind he’s getting greatest league in the world wages, albeit he’s at wee diddy league Celtic. Brendan’s problem is where the net spend went and when he put his ‘fingers in his ears’ praising you know who, as we were signing the last of the summer nine.
Three ‘ ready mades’ at around £7M is neat and tidy, it might have been enough, and would certainly have avoided the log jam that’s been accumulating since soon after we failed to get Eddie Howe over the line, for some reason? We signed too many players and not only might it have cost the title, it’ll cause longer term problems. It’s fine saying £7M+ players might not perform either, it’s also fine saying Celtic cannot attract that price level of player, but the signing policy was creaking, even when we never stopped.
of player, but the signing policy was creaking, even when we never stopped.
We dished out contracts like confetti at the wrong wedding non development players Palma, Nawrocki ,Lagerbielke, Bernardo have not gotten near the alter. Some of the players old and new are still traumatised from being under the first Kilmarnock bus.
FWIW there’s also a big puddle during this monsoon season in Janefield Street, where a short full back if he wasn’t careful could drown, accountability is what we need if we want to be record breakers. The higher the bank balance the higher supporters expectations.
HH
Well, there is quite a bit in there, don’t think I’m unpacking that in one morning:)
Agreed on the “supporter critique and resentment…”
With so many having entrenched views it’s difficult to have a reasoned debate.
Gone are the days we could discuss Gordon Strachan’s sieve, or Tony Mowbray’s (Thoughts and Prayers) non striking strikers in a (relatively) constructive manner with few partizan view points, and a lot of humour from yourself and other great posters.
Now the complexity and efficacy of the budget is huge.
After the Aberdeen game at Pittodrie, I suggested in Nawrocki (4.2mn), we were not seeing a x8 better player than Mioski (0.8mn)
So, there’s the bang for buck debate
Then there’s the model, Paul67 mentions “incremental gains”, a hugely important aspect of our approach and what we need to accomplish if our recruitment strategy is successful, by it’s very definition, it takes time and constant effort – something the manager told us was needed last summer.
That means what we are planning to do with our budget is critically important…
Youth, Development, Oven Ready, Established, players – physicality to part waves, not swim puddles, coaches and conditioning experts, with speciailist expertise, imparting expert knowledge…
What effect does the “spend” have on the short, medium and long term!? Again key (look at Lenny Mk 2 spend!!), (look at Ange/Dom spend), (what would Eddie Howe spend be like), (what would the 30 mn Angeball “warchest” offered in May 2023 to the wizard if Oz be like).
Brendan got no spend, we sent a bhoy out with with the fattened calf (GG,JJ, Jota, Starfelt money) and he brought back a handful of beans with outrages promises of hens that laid the golden eggs…
Now in October we had a “must win”, game against Athletico Madrid in the UCL at Celtic Park, we are away to Hearts the weekend before, we are away to Hibs (BR bogey ground) the week after.
With the strength, depth, and preparedness of squad necessary, twenty mn and two months doesn’t seem a lot of time and money to me… even spent wisely, anybody tell you how much we had in the bank in June:))))
Of course, Killie at home in February and fholk thinking twenty mn, we should be skooshing them off the park.
Yet, the lack of squad preparation, the amount of development players and the psychological and physical effects of the winter has a huge knock on effect.
Fergus’s 10K advantage, is only an advantage if we invest it and invest it very well.
We can’t think of it as a two horse race, what the secovians are doing is of little consequence – from basket case, to Europa Champions elect… let them struggle to get their head around that nonsense, we have an “elite” Club to build.
The fact is we are (once again!!) are facing a rebuild, we need very good people, we need huge resources, we need – elite and motivated people throughout the Club.
My mantra, as you May well remember, over the last ten plus years, is build a squad to make UCL pot 3 and the domestic scene will take care of itself.
We achieved that under BR Mk1, we were heading that way with Angeball (count the trebles!? I was right, wasn’t I;)
Of course, now that level might not be good enough, as our City rivals are “planning” to be there in jig time, so unless we wish to share the leftovers of of our “senior” partner, we need to be kicking on big time.
Hail Hail
PETERLATCHFORDSBELLY @ 12:05 PM,
SFTB
Running interference is exemplified by creating a straw man by deliberately misrepresenting what another poster has said and then knocking it down with a fallacious counter argument.
I could describe it less generously, but it’s certainly disingenuous.
What it certainly is not is another, equally valid point of view.
Chairbhoy is doing an excellent job in deconstructing various myths perpetuated on here and I believe doing is a service.
As for shilling for the Board, if you don’t see that I can’t help you. I would credit you with being a whole lot less cynical than me. Not necessarily an attractive quality I know.
Thanks for the positive responses…
Think you all have agreed to park this for the time being, totally agree…
Yet hopefully we’ve upped the level of comment and debate, it was good reading back and as good fholk are telling us, we need to be united going forward.
Hail Hail
RES 12 is, and always was, a debating point for a tiny minority of the Celtic support.
The ‘deed’, i.e. the contentious UEFA licence , had already been done when the RES12 campaign, such as it was, got going. The whole thing has not made one iota of difference to Celtic, and as with all the crap that was surrounding Rangers at that time, our club were right to ignore it and get on with our business. A look at the record books will fully endorse this position.
The consequential detrimental effect on the Ibrox club was more than we could ever have imagined, or, ever asked for, when Whyte made that announcement on 14 February 2012. The club was put in administration, a new club Sevco Scotland incorporated, all valuable player assets were lost under TUPE and the new club spent five years in the lower divisions and could not compete in Europe for five years. The reputational damage was deep and the Ibrox machine open to ridicule for years to come. I say that the consequential ‘punishment’ did fit the crime.
The continuation of this dead RES 12 is used merely as a stick with which to beat the board and Peter Lawwell – it is a vendetta that will never succeed and is supported on forums by people who like the ‘beat Lawwell’ bit, but in all honesty haven’t a clue what’s it all about.
The resistance was resisted and the persistence is now like a few dogs with a bone – a bone that has fragmented and is powdered – let’s hope it blows away. The seemingly neverending words, sentences and paragraphs that appear almost daily in a couple of Celtic blogs is more than tedious – the wheeze is over twelve years old now – the world has moved on – we are where we are………………..enough please!
Auldheid,
I wish you well. Very few seem to want to know about Res 12. Great pity but it seems to me to be the reality.
Burnley 78,
Best wishes to your wife, yourself and all the family.
HH to you all
Auldheid
Don’t listen to them, not that you need any encouragement.
I couldn’t help but think there was some delicious subterfuge evident on the blog last night as (Smiley) Auldheid gave snippets away that he knew would get back to (Tinker Tailor Soldier) Lawwell .
Fascinating .
I might be wrong but was “Clunks” a moderator on here? If so how on earth did he get the gig.Darwin,if you think Rangers were punished enough I despair,what about the stripping of the titles and cups they won with “imperfectly registered players? Are you seriously saying the punishment fitted the crime? Back to “Clunks” ,why are you being so disrespectful to Auldheid ? He put a huge amount of time and effort into his quest to make Celtic and the SFA more open and honest,
With our delayed interims now heading for the latest release date in a decade, I’m assuming the results will not go down well with fans.
We’re in a position now that a PLC is seemingly embarrassed by their cash reserves because they know, we know, they did eff all with it.
If memory serves me right this blog was right behind resolution 12 until it was got at.
THoG
Yip
If CCV is back to proper fitness and available for Fir Park it gives me some hope for the run in but it’s looking rather bleak.Hopefully the team will somehow click and go on a winning run but its hope rather than expectation.
DARWIN on 22ND FEBRUARY 2024 7:35 AM
Wheeze?
After the countless hours of selfless work Auldheid and others put into it ?
So patronising it could have come from a board member . Or even PL himself.
Good morning CQN.
Reading back last night, I’m routinely taken by the habit (by no means just on here) of affirming the Celtic loving credentials of certain people who work in the media.
I liken it to the old “but he was good to his mother” responses to the actions of Prohibition-era gangsters.
For me it’s simple.
The media’s job is to sell copy / airtime / subscriptions to make money.
To do that they need to attract customers.
To do that they need to have “competition”
To do that they need to bring Sevco closer to us – across every aspect of our businesses.
From that I conclude
You can be a Celtic supporter or an MSM puppet.
You can’t be both
Monty on ETims pod last night.
The plc operation should exist to support the football operation. At Celtic the football operation exists to support the plc operation.
Seems a fiat point given the UEFA report this week confirming Celtic is the 6th most profitable club in Europe. Remarkable success from a plc perspective given the backwater economic environment we’re in, with relatively slim pickings for income generation.
Compare and contrast with the poverty on the pitch and recruitment strategy. It supports Monty’s point.
We know we are disproportionately dependent on our fan base to generate income. We also know the fan base is overwhelmingly scunnered with this plc profit-centric model.
So the question is, how sustainable is the current profit-centric strategy if it risks alienating the principal source if your income.
We need a recalibration of the balance toward the football operation.
PS widespread cynicism about the Barrowfield PR yesterday further points to the disconnect with the ‘customer base’. Many also speculation it’s a 🐿️ to distract from the publication of (too positive) interim results. Let’s see if they’re proven right.
Darwin
I explained to Clunk’s what the issue was now so stop repeating that it is about Res12 per se.
What you also ignore is that PL personally is the cause of Res12 in that he told me he needed a Dougie Dougie moment to help bring a out SFA reform.
Without that encouragement it would not have existed.
Your support for a man who is happy to mislead supporters, including yourself, suggests you are a man with values of little substance with a moral compass pointing in the wrong direction.
The same direction that Celtic, a club founded on moral principles abandoned for money , are heading under the captaincy you wish to keep at the helm.
Res12 reveals more about its critics than it does of those they criticise.
Parkheadcomesalford
Good to hear from you.
I wouldn’t pay too much attention to the naysayers.
This blog is read by folk who see things differently.
It is like the pulpit in a church.
The priest says his sermon but it will have a different impact on its audience depending on the thinking they bring into the church.
What is interesting is the idea of making a legal challenge using Company Law is just an idea but it does seem to have attracted PL’s war dogs.
It’s as if there is something in the idea to fear.
Call it a sounding out process that is unlikely to happen because of lack of support.
I was just testing the water to see who bites.
Fred Colon 9.45
https://youtu.be/Oz8RjPAD2Jk?si=dvX_yptjrnYaDkSX
Clunks-
drinking again last night,you should cease critiquing anything outwith your own knowledge or concentration span,it is not a good look on you mate
Dobwin
Your reply is as confused as anything JHB
CLOUD9 or any of your wide range of spangle moniker here say.keep stoapin the boats.racist brexit supportin vermin.
Auldheid
my convo on the topic ended yesterday lunch time,in simple form it has been voted against, but there is a lot taken and learned from.
As Em Bee says some dont need answerin,huns and are content to be stuck in a moment!
Chairbhoy @ 7.28
Indeed, best wishes to Mogga, and thank you for clarifying your clear vision
of Celtic.
Even with the the 10k advantage Fergus McCann quickly ran into the budget spoiled greedy footballer world, that prompted Tommy Burns to say of him when asked about transfers “ See the wee guy with the money “. It should be remembered McCann and Tommy were still up against EBT and all the sporting advantage it ‘didn’t bring’. Nothing has changed just the size and prices, you’re right of course BR didn’t even get to pick his own Kyogo from a market only he knew about, like Ange did with his Kyogo.
I agree about Sevco their Europa ‘triumphs’, and a*se before elbow rush. but disentangling from Glaswegian comparison, isn’t easy for Fenian B******s especially when you’re ‘threatened’, on bread and butter points. The fact that they’ve a budget to compare at all, under the same name as the previous club is down to Scottish society at large and is a full scale debate in its own right for another day ( or indeed not for unpacking this morning )
Another ‘ player rebuild ‘ is a nailed on certainty, because Brendan 2, didn’t get started IMO, it was a rush job to get him en board, there was no time for transition. His difficulty in rebuilding wasn’t possible in the timescale, replace ‘smashing wee players’ e.g. Greg Taylor with Paolo Muldini. Sadly, I doubt Brendan will be around for any more Parkhead ‘golden eggs’.
Ironically, he managed a better result or show in Europe than AP, and I accept but don’t necessarily agree, on the Europa dream a whole debate for another day. The sun is shining in Parkhead, I’m sure it is where you are and if we are lucky there are only three more sleeps, as a good man reminds us.
HH
Ice Hockey do the right thing
https://twitter.com/jacksonhinklle/status/1760295811227976049?s=19
HH
Dani Alves gets 4 years for rape.
HH
AT
told to get the puck out of here?
Reading back there are some difficult post-midnight posts.
Clunks- I have said before that Social Media is not the place to work out your difficulties. It’s a place to come when you are strong enough to face vehement disagreement. I want you to be able to post your football, and other, views, but the people on here are not your enemies and you need to find other ways to get rid of your demons.
Auldheid- if we all had to stop posting because some people disliked what we say or misunderstood what we said, this place would be empty. The historical record is important and you have contributed a great deal of it. There will come a time in Scotland where we can face the events of 2012 with a great deal more honesty than we did at the time. Even when we do that, the position will remain the same. Old Rangers will continue with their trophy history intact, despite their criminal trading history. They are in a similar position to some clubs in England, who were treated leniently too when they went bust. But, at least, whether we still tread the earth by then, will have had honesty restored to history.
And, in any case, as you keep trying to emphasise, the purpose was not to kill Rangers dead but to force Scottish Football to organise honestly. That task is still relevant and very much worth doing. It serves no one but a recently returned to CQN media interloper to ask for that honesty to be buried. You know that I disagree with you about the priorities of the Scottish Football Supporters Association, as I feel it represents the popular cause of bringing down the 2 Glasgow Clubs, and pair us as equal villains, but I applaud the concept of a Supporters pressure group and merely urge you to continue to be cautious about the things they emphasise- such as us giving our money away to make other clubs better.
Jock Stein said, during our 9iar run when people complained we were too dominant:-
” You want more competition? Get two 90 year old men to run a 100 yards race. That’ll be competitive but it won’t make good viewing.”
Now a US style equalisation via salary caps and worst team gets first pick process, would see us get regular new champions each year but, unless every other team and FA in Europe ignored Employment Law and the Bosman ruling, we would be a competitive league but a minor peripheral one.
The name of Celtic would become in time as recognisable as the name of Offenbach Kickers, one of the big European teams from my childhood, who now play in the 7th tier of German football
Dani Alves
https://x.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1760620828788502926?s=08
HH
AULDHEID,For your peace of mind my fellow Celtic Supporter ,bin res 12 you exposed the directors in our club for what they really are ,and that’s all I’m saying,like James Forrest you have a lot to offer on this blog.
GLENOWEN on 22ND FEBRUARY 2024 6:40 AM
David66
`…. and no post on here will convince me otherwise.`
How do you know?
`However, we can’t change the playing squad until the summer, so it’s time for the support to unite behind a (hopefully) improving team.`
Agreed.
Cheerio for now.
An Tearman
The vote on Res12 when taken was NOT to vote Res12 down.
The vote under Res11 was for Celtic to engage with the relevant football authorities – SFA/UEFA -which meant Res12 adjourned in 2013 with shareholders agreement was met in principle at the Res11 AGM. (either 2020 or 2021).
Yet another misunderstanding of what took place.
How do I know that is what happened? I negotiated the hand over with the Comp Sec who is an honest man. So honest that the suggestion for reimbursing legal costs originating from exchanges was picked up by him as CEO and acted upon.
So all those claiming Res12 was voted down miss out the reason.
It is not that there was no case under Res12, there was. It was that Celtic finally took ownership of it at the AGM where Res11 was tabled.
So having have that clarified I would expect yourself and others to stop peddling something that misleads readers.
Nothing personal in my reply but the narrative Res12 failed is simply wrong and yet again I’m glad you have allowed me to clarify.
Hopefully that will put a stop to the nonsense spouted last night from the ignorant.
I’ll post a link to the closure of Res12 later in the interests of clarity.