BDO’s survey of British football clubs suggests control, if not complete sanity, has descended on Scottish football. Most Premiership clubs surveyed predicted they would return to profitability over the next year.
On the back of Phil Mac Giolla Bhain’s article on former Scottish Football League chief exec David Longmuir’s bonuses, which are no longer payable, these are heady days for some clubs who have lived hand-to-mouth stuffing pork into Longmuir’s trough. You better believe it’s financial Armageddon, for the former SFL man. The SFA will surely insist on inappropriate financial stain is left on our game.
Anyway………. It seems if I explain the structural gap between Rangers International’s earnings through season ticket sales and the costs of operating a football club which can facilitate circa 40,000 spectators on a regular basis, we can all figure why the gap cannot be bridged. We are different because despite having enormously higher football costs, we can access enormously higher revenue streams.
On the other hand, explaining that Celtic’s operational costs need to be augmented by player sales and/or Champions League income, just to break even, and that player sales and/or Champions League income cannot exclusively be used for player purchases, amounts to a heresy against deeply held orthodox views.
Add in a reminder about the strategy which has made all the difference to Celtic – buying wisely, selling wisely, and sit back to watch a secular belief structure ignore the ‘every penny to be spent’ prediction and vent as though their deity has just been denied.
This stuff’s complicated, apparently, but paying attention to financial detail is not a required Obligation to support Celtic, so if it doesn’t float your boat, I’d start by demanding to know where all the Seville money went to….
I hear the Daily Record accompanied their – Imran Ahmad to sue Rangers International for £3.4m – story with a completely baseless story about Celtic losing out on the only transfer target they know about. They were wrong on some of the Ahmad story (Charles Green may have produced the documents Ahmad would rely on in court, but suggestions they are in concert on this claim are wildly inappropriate). Still, it plays into current orthodoxy on Charles Green.
Going on what they’ve written, they know nothing about Celtic’s transfer negotiations either. Absolutely squat. Percentage of Celtic fans who know the media’s game: 100%. Percentage of Celtic fans who allow themselves to be influenced despite knowing the above……?
If these people have you panicking, look elsewhere for sympathy. We have a team building strategy, it has delivered well thus far and it will continue to do so. Buy wisely, sell wisely, spend every penny over a given business cycle. Pretty straightforward, really.
Magic Money Deity Denier CSC.
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Steinreignedsupreme
You are in the right place. There are plenty of youtube and wikiscouts on here who will fill you in
Lot of talk about business plans etc.
I wonder if DD and Mr O’Brien became billionaires by never, ever deviating from business plans or did the just sometimes take a punt?
C1st – might just do that.
‘1974’ was his book I didn’t like.
There is a book to be written about what’s goin’ on inside the head of Alastair these days.
“Sometimes football problems can arise from investment or non investment problems.”
Yeah well we have Tony Watt, Anthony Stokes, Samaras, Boerrigdter, Forrest and Amido Balde all earning good money
If they can’t score against teams earning a fraction of their salary then its all wasted money.
From what I’ve seen Alfred isn’t a patch on his grandad, PNElegend Tom Finnboggason.
dontbrattbakkinanger
16:21 on 13 August, 2013
Football clubs under achieve because they spend too much on the wrong players and not enough on the right manager.
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Does that mean Sevco should be paying Sally even more than the £760,000 he is reportedly on, HeHeHeHe.
YougetwhatyoupayforCSC or
theygetwhattheydeserveCSC
Joking aside, it’s a very good point.
timaloy29 16:44 on 13 August, 2013
Good point. It is not a home game for them either.
Timaloy29
If we get put out and haven’t strengthened the squad between now and the two games the blame is 100% on PL and the Celtic board. We shouldn’t be underestimating this team, the budgets have nothing to do with it, it’s a UCL playoff, they’ve came through two (arguably tougher) ties the same as we have so they should be treated the same as sides like Legia Warsaw or Austria Vienna had we got them, maybe people’s opinion on the lack of transfer activity would be different had we drawn one of those two.
LiviBhoy
16:43 on
13 August, 2013
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Many thanks for the info, completely forgot it was on BT, might be an added complication.
Dontbrattbakkinanger 16:53 on 13 August, 2013
“From what I’ve seen Alfred isn’t a patch on his grandad, PNElegend Tom Finnboggason”
Ole Tom is a hard act to follow…
timaloy29 16:50 on 13 August, 2013
“You are in the right place. There are plenty of youtube and wikiscouts on here who will fill you in”
That is why I was asking if anyone had actually seen much of the guy in action – rather than on youtube.
craigneuktommygemmell 16:58 on 13 August, 2013
Why do you think we are underestimating them?
DBBIA
“There is a book to be written about what’s goin’ on inside the head of Alastair these days.”
It’s already been written – ‘Bread: The Story of Greggs [Paperback] Ian Gregg (Author)’. A snip at £5.59 on the ole Amazon.
Steinreignedsupreme
I’m not as confident as I could be, I watched the highlights of them beating Bate, big strong team, technically good, have good pace , they will be no pushovers.
It’s their cup final.
On the flip side, we are pre season, on a plastic pitch, and are not playing well.
In saying that, I do think we have better players, and if they turn it on, I have no doubts we will prevail, but they all need to turn up and perform.
HH
….pfayr
16:41 on 13 August, 2013
CF
The Times on Saturday were less than complimentary about that book
I was not keen on his style writing in the Damned United but it was bearable.
Red or Dead is over 800 pages I hear and do fancy it but not sure I could stick with his repetitious style.
He covers every Shankley game.
Will have a look at on Kindle.
Peter : Neil whit dae ye make of this team we got then in the CL
Neil : They’re pash Pedro pit yer wallet away
Pedro : Awright Neil, did Anto bring the biscuits
Neil : Aye Kris is making the tea.
Pedro : Grand…
Celticenders…
Bawsman
There will be other bars that may show it but those are at least Celtic friendly ones. Malones is another that should be full of Tims.
LB
starry plough
17:08 on
13 August, 2013
Peter : Neil whit dae ye make of this team we got then in the CL
Neil : They’re pash Pedro pit yer wallet away
Pedro : Awright Neil, did Anto bring the biscuits
Neil : Aye Kris is making the tea.
Pedro : Grand…
Celticenders
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cynical bassa ;))
dontbrattbakkinanger
16:21
Like Barçabhoy, I agree with this. This is why successful coaches still win when the personnel ages or moves on.
A Book At Bedtime on Radio 4 this week is right up your street, Red or Dead by David Peace, a ‘Damned United’ treatment of Bill Shankly’s time at Liverpool. Perhaps you’ve read it. If not, part one was last night, so it’s easy to catch up.
The repetitious language in the style got on my nerves a wee bit, but Shankly comes across as an utterly compelling character. I didn’t want it to end.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b006qtlx
Got it delivered today, and I’m fair rattling through it….no bad so far
Afternoon,
Some of the posts here allude to an idea that we are diametrically opposed
when it comes to transfer strategy.
This is not the case.
There is sensibility in abundance on display here.
Here’s my attempt to define the parameters of our current transfer debate.
There are no demands for high cost genuine marquee style signing.
No claims for a 12.5M bid for, lets just say, Fellaini to replace VW
It seems most of us on here agree with the general principle of our strategy.
And why not? We have been demonstrating some fantastic asset management
recently and long may that continue.
The current strategy of signing 5 x 2M “project” players in the knowledge that one may
emerge as a Key player and will cause envious eyes to be cast north from the cash rich south is quite sound.The resulting sale of which pays for the total speculation.
This has been a tremendous success recently.
Many of us here would suggest, that perhaps it is necessary to break from this
model when it comes to securing the services of a proven goal scorer.
Presumably such claims would be challenged with the “money is no guarantee…”
stance. With this in mind I would suggest that most clubs tend to value their
better players higher than others and that goalscorers in particular, command a premium. Cost is indeed no guarantee but valuations tend to be based on merit.
I’m sure we can all agree on that.
I have no problem with how Celtic manage their SQUAD.
The emphaisis is on squad there.
Replacing vital members of the first team who play a crucial role
in determining our football (and financial -if you like) success, is
another matter.
This would appear to be were some of us differ in opinion.
Again to reiterate, there are not two extremes of opinion.
No CL money + Hoops + Wanyama + Wilson= Luis Suarez fund claims.
Far from it.
What I do see here and can fully understand, is a genuine concern
that lack of a significant proportion of player sales being reinvested
results in a dilution of quality.
Presumably that is not something we wish to see.
If it costs that little bit extra to secure the services of the man who is
going to provide our goals/results and general entertainment we should
be willing to pay. Many of us could then go on and suggest that such a
player should have been already acquired given that our season is already
underway, especially given the importance of the CL qualifiers…
masty is neil lennon 16:38
My point was to encourage them to make a decision to take the money or not rather than them using an increased offer to start a bidding war. I think you missed my point. The numbers are not important.
Our board seem to think we can hold out for top dollar when selling a player but can scrimp and save when buying a player, am all for giving the board credit the way we are run but if we don’t sign a decent striker for these european games I will be f•ckin raging they need to start backing the manager, we are crying out for a goal scorer because we will make plenty of chances and if he’s not knocking down lawwells door demanding his first choice Lenny better start.
Hadenoughofthistransferwindowalready csc
CelticTom, i suppose it comes down to the number of season books which has been falling dramatically over the past few years. I mentioned yesterday we only woke up to it in last few games of season with £20 tickets instead of £29. What concerns me is that section 111 now looks like it will be empty and if its true the upper section of jockstein will be closed also. In this situation we need to get bums on seats , i agree the board has moved on reducing season tickets but that looks like it wont be enough to get the required numbers. Its the peripherals that add up such as food, programmes, betting, windfall, merchandising etc.
I’m no expert but we seem to be in good financial health so we should be able to pick up a playmaker and replacement striker. Simple maths says we got £5.5m for hooper who cost £1.8 so they say and £2.5m for wilson plus Dublin match so for an outlay of £1.8m there’s £8.5m.
Without a bit of flair and playing football the celtic way fans will continue to pick and choose their games. The strategy is risky at the moment as goals are hard to come by however if we reach the CL group stage then we are in a great position to attract good signings should we choose to do so!
THE EXILED TIM 17:06 on 13 August, 2013
It is hard to imagine Celtic will be as poor as we were in Sweden – when so many players had such a bad night.
On the plus side from the Elfsborg match – had we played that poorly two years ago we would already be out of the Champions League.
Celtic have learned a lot in that time. Despite our performance we limited the Elfs to one shot on target … easily saved.
HH
masty is neil lennon
Naw I’m no, I just think that some folks think this is how we approach the day to day running of the club, like most I would love to log on and see we had signed a striker before the qualifier, we need a sarcasm font on here!! The idea that the club are gambling on our success due to not wanting to buy a striker just disnae fit intae ma heir, canny make it fit, maybe next in a couple of weeks I’ll be on here with ma heid in ma hauns, let’s hope no…
Still waiting oan a Hero in the Valley…
3 Celtic players (Brownie, Charlie, and JF are in the Scots squad. Lustig in the Sweden squad, Joe Ledley and young Matthews in the Wales squad and Sammi in the Greek squad for friendly games on Wednesday. Wasn’t Lenny complaining how tired the team were only a few days ago yet some played in Dublin at the weekend and some will now play 3 games in a week as well as travel half way around the world for a CL qualifier. Time to use an old deid team stunt and phone a friendly doctor for a sick note for the Bhoys.
spikeysauldman
One of the sons lives in Cleavers Ave, I’m assuming you lived in the salubrious part of Conniburrrow. – I live in the other end of the town at Greenleys.
No doubt we’ll attract a fair share of the Irish talent but we’ll be in fierce competition with all the big ELP players when a kid with real talent surfaces.
Steinreignedsupreme
Aye, it would be a disapointment if we played that badly again, problem I see is us not scoring goals.
We seem to be making chances but not putting them away.
Maybes big Amido will do the biz, maybes Lenny will give him a run out at Aberdeen, he will score, his confidence will be sky high, and bobs yer auntie.
HH
Very sad to hear that Jon Brookes The Charlatans drummer has passed away at the age of 44. Thanks for the tunes North Country Boy!
Amido needs to be given game time, and not left sitting on the bench twidling his thumbs.
He looked ok on Saturday in a ‘meaningless’ friendly, and took his goal well.
I would hope he starts against the Dons.
HH!!
Masty is Neil Lennon
Augsburg prepared second bid???? One they did earlier or planted.
I am not a sack the board person by any means….just think that Hereveen may want more than we are willing to pay.
The boy playing You’ll Never Walk Alone via his twitter account suggests he has a liking for a good song!
starry plough
Good evening my friend,its meeting time for me then back to ML4 to”mum sit” till thurs to give my bro a break.
So maybe catch up later :)) just realised how hopeless i’m with a laptop
Tim Tanium:’The boy playing You’ll Never Walk Alone via his twitter account suggests he has a liking for a good song!’
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If he fires up Gary Og any time soon its party time;)
HH
From STV
Mr Green purchased five million shares in Rangers at 1p each as part of an agreement entered into on October 31 last year.
I thought he was allocated the shares and did not part with a penny?
yermanfrommk – salubrious – aye right – right at the bottom on the boulevard – on the lhs heading towards the Blacksmiths Arms which i worked in for 1 night !
THE EXILED TIM 17:35 on 13 August, 2013
“Aye, it would be a disapointment if we played that badly again, problem I see is us not scoring goals.”
The way we set up in European games is designed for goals from midfielders as much as forwards.
Lenny may play Balde, but I’d expect Sami to lead the line with support from Commons, Forrest, Derk and Ledley in particular.
HH
Malone Bhoy
17:15 on
13 August, 2013
masty is neil lennon 16:38
My point was to encourage them to make a decision to take the money or not rather than them using an increased offer to start a bidding war. I think you missed my point. The numbers are not important.
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sorry to disagree again pal..but the numbers are most definitely important, they have allegedly quoted £5m and they will start proceedings, so either we offer them that or GTF outta Holland, all this is doing is giving the fans false hope, I want this guy, but also think we have enough to take borat’s club,as I said earlier we told Norwich EXACTLY what would shift hoopy, all they have done is the same,
Tim Tanium 17:36 on 13 August, 2013
Sad news indeed. That’s two of the original band gone now.
A very underrated band – Between 10th and 11th is a fantastic album.