Sevco owner, Charles Green, got himself a bit confused last night when talking about Celtic, saying, “Our main rivals, or our former main rivals, across the city, they have had three different companies in their lifespan. In fact if you look at their corporate structure now it’s more complicated than Rangers”.
For the record……..
Celtic were formed in 1888. The officeholders of the club accepted personal liability for all debts until the club became a limited company on 12 April 1897. On that day registration number SC003487 was given to The Celtic Football and Athletic Company Limited – a private limited company.
In 1994 Fergus McCann opened the club up to 10,000 supporters by making the club a public limited company, which then became known as Celtic PLC. It is the same company, with the same registration number, SC003487. On the same day the company became a PLC, Fergus, in his wisdom, registered a new company, with exactly the same name as the old company (The Celtic Football and Athletic Company Limited), in order to prevent another party registering the name, which retains an historical association with Celtic. The new company is wholly owned by Celtic PLC.
Celtic now have in the region of 29,000 shareholders. They, alongside every shareholder in our 125 year history, have made sure that every debt was settled. Go to Companies House web site, click ‘Find Company Information’, search ‘CelticPLC’, for 115 unbroken years of limited liability history.
Swept aside
Green’s problems, of course, are not that people don’t understand Celtic’s corporate structure, they are that last month he told a BBC TV camera that if Rangers were liquidated “the history, the tradition, everything that’s great about this club is swept aside”. Even he must suspect that he is not the best guy to lead his new club forward.
On the alleged illegal registration of players issue, Green was more contrite: “HMRC has still to reach a decision or announce their decision. I understand the SPL has put a panel together to look at this issue and we will contest it every inch of the way. The view of the club, the fans and indeed newcomers like myself is that those titles and those games were won fairly and belong to this (sic) club. We will fight it to the finish.”
At last we can agree. If Rangers won trophies fairly they must (and will) retain them. Speaking to Sky News in March Sir David Murray could not have been clearer that no Rangers players had dual contracts while his board was in charge. If this is the case, Rangers have no case to answer.
However, if the old Lumley-troubler’s memory of this issue has failed him, then matters will take a different course. If Sevco inherit Rangers SFA membership, they will be looking at many years of penalties to compensate for their decade or more of illegal player registration.
Prima Facie Evidence CSC.
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Guys just remember this is not the club we knew and we should all be supportive of a new club making its way in the world.
We should be nice to our new neighbours as they are a lower league team to the side they are playing today.
AYE RIGHT.
PF Ayr
sadly they will be allowed to preform their usual brand of thuggery with impunity.
They shouldn’t be anywhere near a football park and it says everything you need to know about our authorities that they are.
Green quoting ‘bigotry’ from SPL members as a reason why they are in Div.3. This dangerous, disgrace of a man really should shut his mouth. Another sly dig at PL appealing for fans to buy season tickets.
I see ole Chuckie Green has thrown in the towel and gone for the full playing to the Orange Gallery card…
Shaun @ShaunGibson1888
Green saying “Bigots” are to blame for what happened to them…OMFG..Live on air..Do they know shame?
Well Chas if you can’t beat them join them orcdom has that effect on the people who enter it all semblance of human decency is soon ditched in favour of a bloody rhetoric that resonates with the lowes of the low common denominator of your support..
Well done lad you’ll go far..
Sevco show up wearing 5 stars over the crest. Wonder what they are foe. Have they been in existence for 5 weeks yet?
Ludicrous rubbish and spin……………..
People will end up hurt because of this clown.
Speirs spears McCoist
http://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/football/firing-on-friends-not-foes.18271646
In short, says the Rangers manager, the SFA and SPL have it in for his club. McCoist would do well to pause before heading down this siege mentality road which Rangers, of all clubs, had always previously boasted of avoiding.
Is McCoist right? Is the balance of crime and punishment wrong between Rangers and Scottish football’s governing bodies? Or even more pointedly – as some Rangers fans are now wont to say – do the SFA/SPL axis really want to kill off for good the Ibrox club?
I find the allegation more than a tad ludicrous. For one thing, the early, private instinct of SPL chief executive Neil Doncaster was actually somehow to keep Rangers in the SPL. This was the deal Doncaster wished to cut with Bill Miller, that most ephemeral American tycoon, before Miller trucked off. How could this stance by Doncaster possibly be classed as “wanting to do Rangers harm”?
Or what about Stewart Regan, the SFA’s top man? Regan, in truth, knew a newco Rangers could not simply waltz back into the SPL – that would have looked indefensible – but his avowed next best thing was to secure a place for Ally McCoist’s team in the Irn-Bru First Division.
For Regan it became critical throughout June that Rangers went down one division, not three. He even said, of Rangers being thrown to the bottom tier: “We cannot stand back and let it happen.” If this is the intent of a man who “has it in for Rangers” then Ally McCoist has a most unusual view of friends and enemies.
The fact is, both Doncaster and Regan somehow wanted to preserve Rangers as close as possible to the Scottish football summit, and both men have been undermined by events. A married, chaotic democracy of fans and SFL club chairmen has seen to it.
Regan and Doncaster look more than a little undermined today, but neither, contrary to the wailings from Govan, has been “anti-Rangers”. Let’s look at this a little more closely. Let’s examine close up another of McCoist’s favourite themes: that there is a “punishment frenzy” around Rangers and that the SFA and SPL simply cannot kick the club enough.
McCoist and Rangers would do well to distinguish between punishments for insolvency and the consequences of insolvency. They are two very different categories.
For actually becoming insolvent – ie, a football club being killed off by its negligent owners – oldco Rangers were deducted 10 points by the SPL. From the SFA side, a fine of £160,000 for various non-payment misdemeanours and a 12-month transfer embargo are both still pending. These, for what they amount to, can certainly be classed as punishments.
But McCoist complains about Rangers being thrown out of the SPL, and facing no European football for three years, as if the SPL and Uefa have waded in with further “punishments”. Yet neither of these are punitive actions at all. These are simple applications of the rules of football, which Rangers, like everyone else, thought nothing of until the Ibrox club self-immolated in this grisly spectacle.
No-one in their right mind would argue that a new football company, scarcely weeks old, should simply march back into a top league as if they owned the place. Likewise, Uefa aren’t interested in “punishing” Rangers at all. Rather, they have a simple, uncontroversial rule about any new company or club having to have three years of audited business before it can compete in European football – a rule newco Rangers evidently fails.
It is a misapprehension to talk of this as punishment. More accurately, it is cold reality. These are the rules and they seem fair and practical to just about anyone.
In fact, contrary to the SPL hierarchy being hostile to Rangers, the suspicion persists for many that the club and the SPL will somehow fudge a deal over the imminent double contracts investigation. Rangers had insisted that the SPL drop it – when you think about, a choice request to make – but it is to proceed, apparently, despite this entire SFA membership saga somehow being resolved on Friday night.
Doncaster and the SPL are adamant their investigation will continue freely, and will impose sanctions come what may, though only the fullness of time will corroborate that view. In truth, where the SPL may yet remain hamstrung is over the final decision of the big tax case tribunal, which will decree once and for all whether Rangers, with their employee benefit trusts (EBTs), acted illegally.
I like Ally McCoist a lot. That old-fashioned phrase “a smashing guy” so easily applies to him. Moreover, on more than one occasion he has helped this particular writer, over some minor request which nonetheless would cost McCoist a few minutes to sort out. So I don’t easily knock him in print. He is having a hard enough time of it.
McCoist, nonetheless, is calling it badly wrong when it comes to the SFA and SPL’s motives. They do not in the slightest have “as hostile an agenda as possible” against Rangers. Alas for McCoist, what Scottish football must do is see that severe wrongdoing is brought to account.
Chairman Murray “We’ll be back… quicker than you expect. Football is restructuring everywhere.”
Green actually said that?
Disgraceful, though he’s learned quick I’ll give him that.
Just watch as the hun rabble revere him as a saviour now.
Green is an idiot, a dangerous idiot. Playing the ‘orange’ card in an effort to ingratiate himself with the moronic (majority) element of the dead club in a desparate attempt to get them onside with the new club.
And surprise, surprise, no one challenges him or even mentions his comments.
PF Ayr
Without Sevco in the SPL, will our crowd be literally “singled” out by SPL disciplinary bodies now?
As Sevco are absent from Europe, only one Scottish club, and it won’t be Hearts or Motherwell, are likely to suffer a referral to UEFA by a police observer who has been encouraged to “even things up”
Starry Plough
If he has said this he has to be bought up on a charge
Between that comment and Sally’s on Friday …they obviously playing the mad Hun DOB card
Dangerous talk …and completely irresponsible
This moment can’t go unchallenged
A banned song now coming out of my radio, will the SFA act? No need to answer…
Can someone explain to me how Black can sign a contract one day then play as a trialist the next?
Surely if you have a contract your no longer on trial.
A wee trivia question for today; I believe this question was posed to none other than Sally McMoist on Question of Sport some years ago; he and his team got 2 out of 3; ironic, given the one he missed out on.
Name 3 Scottish Football League teams that have a part of the body in their name ?
i hear Chris Graham and the bigots yes Charlie the BIGOTS
Charles Green on Radio shortbread ‘ Rangers have been driven to division 3 by bigotry against them’
This guy really is a breed apart, reckon he has escaped from the asylum if he thinks that.
This, from the oldco who practiced sectarian signing policies for the majority of their existence.
CFC and Peter Lawwell need to speak out and put this idiot straight.
His moronic utterings have now gone to far!
‘Green saying “Bigots” are to blame for what happened to them’
Correct, the rangers supporters stood back and allowed it all to happen.
BELTING OUT RA SILLY BOYS
Scottish football rules……look in nearest waste bin.
Green has to be brought before the SFA to answer his claims of bigotry . Lets hear more Charles…..Scottish football demands to know .The man is dangerous making comments liKeir that.
Very ironically as he says if the hordes behind him sing the billy boys
If Green is correct then the vast majority of Scottish football must be bigots
Outrageous
LarryBhoy
Peterhead
Brechin
Heart of Midlothian
Peterhead
Brechin
hendrix67 14:46
Maybe he has two contracts?
A three year one and a trialist one…
EN
Heard CG on radio- disgraceful
BMCUWP
Don’t care what you say..Peroni is a gift from the
heavens,stick to your ole man English beer.
SC003487 since 1897
oh yes !!
Celtic and Mr Lawell must now respond to being called bigots – they are insulting the rest of scottish football – I expect the SFA to act.
This mob don’t deserve anything other than extinction.
….PFayr on 29 July, 2012 at 14:28 said:
I’ll need to update this a bit given the SB price is known but I reckon they can only afford £1,636 a week on average say £46,000 pw for 30 players.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Aq2m3ggkEX2RdE1mYi1zTE9IMGlZUlpnWVltM183NVE&pli=1#gid=1
They appear to be embarking on same debt course as before which begs the question do their forecasts contain assumptions that MUST come true to keep them alive and avoid SFA embarrassment.Do those assumptions undermine the integrity of the competition? Should the SFA not have protecting that as their paramount role?
What an eejit that green is……..THE SFA NEED TO TAKE ACTION HERE ……
Celticbhoy on 29 July, 2012 at 14:52 said:
This mob don’t deserve anything other than extinction.
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I’d go further than that.
Burghbhoy on 29 July, 2012 at 14:48 said:
Celtic should do no such thing.
The best course of action is to treat them with the scorn and contempt they deserve by completely ignoring them. It’s clear they want to turn this into a slanging match with us, aided and abetted by a willing MSM. By responding we’d be giving them credence for their warped views.
Eff them.
Just heard Charles Green saying bigotry from other clubs fans is to blame
for newco finding themselves in the lowest tier of football in this country ! ! !
Charles, a wee word of advice,think before you speak.
You will hear spades of bigotry from from the newco song sheet today
or am I pre judging them ? Ally & Charles reminding us before a ball
is kicked why they induce so much scorn. Rules, what are they for ?
Mon Brechin City.
So it hasn’t taken Green long to get the measure of his new, erm, “customer-base” eh?
Either that or he is hoping to provoke the SFA into ditching them next week after all…
….PFayr on 29 July, 2012 at 14:45 said:
PF it’s all over Twitter now what he said, I’m abroad so don’t have the radio or TV on but it looks like that’s what he said, agree totally irresponsible from him and McCoist who knows exactly what he’s doing!
How did the SFA think it was going to be any different??
It’ll be the same songs, the same threats, the same intimidation, the same cheating, how could it not be no one here has claimed responsibility or made amends..
No one here is seeking rehabilitation or change, them signing Black is a massive GIRFUY to everyone..
Bring on the Dancing Fraud Squaders…
It’s a comment too far from Green. He was clearly talking about Celtic as he alluded to PL’s plea about season tickets.
Dangerous and disgraceful comment. How dare he when he represents the carcass of the most bigoted institution in Scottish history.
Green can say these things because the SFA have not brought bigotry anyone at ibrokes to task for bring the game into disrepute. They get away with it time and again .